Yes, we are young (24). They didnt know each other THAT long before dating but that is one of the points I also want to make. Logistics. If you are out at say a bar or club then yes, looks can matter more INITIALLY but really if you can start a conversation with a woman you can overcome a lot of initial judgement. Girls are not as unreceptive as the OP thinks.

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Well that was the whole point, if she looks at you and is not impressed, she wont want to talk to you.

But there are club women, and there are women who dont go clubbing.

My experience has been that meeting women in places you dont normally think to meet them, makes conversation and life easier. They are usually more receptive.

I will agree with you there. My main point to the OP was that presentation is more important than natural beauty. But meeting women at a club is much more difficult than at a bar or some other public place. Venue can also be an important part of logistics as well.

I dont agree presentation is more important than natrual beauty. I know, girls are not supposed to care as much as we are about looks, debatable. But there is a reason why Bradd Pitt, and Tom Cruise and Ricky Martin, and Derek Jeter, and Beckham make women swoon. Cause they are good looking, and have great physicques to boot.

They dont make playgirl calenders of nice presentable guys, they make calenders with guys with good looks and muscles.

Well if you are good looking it's an easy DHV. They don't care as much about looks but looks can be an easy interest generator. Iif you have dick all to say most girls will still walk away. Many times the other things you have to offer a girl are backwards rationalized as "looks", as well.

I can think of another example from my every day life. My friends girlfriend admitted that she didn't think her current boyfriend was her "type" at all but it was his interactions with her that changed her mind. She said that while she can appreciate a pretty face, if she doesn't like his personality she will move on. (This is not the hotdog stand friend either)

The guy in the video has 4 arms and 3 legs starting at 0:43

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He has a wife who loves him. He isn't handsome. He's poor. Of course, his wife isn't an HB10, but she's normal. Now, what's your excuse for not taking charge of your life, hmm?

Don't tell me he has two dicks.

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Yeah, women have told me that too, they have complained about guys who dont talk, they just sit there and "look pretty"

But your alwso talking about relationships over hooking up. Women generally want/need more from a guy than good looks for a relationship. But they are not going to want to fuck a guy with a good personality.

Thats the difference.

I can even say for myself, there are women who i instantly want to fuck(most women lol), and then there are women who I dont think of so sexually strongly, but I enjoy their company and can go out and be their boyfriend.

In short, you wont find many one night stands, by being an ugly fat short bald guy, simply because you are funny or have a good personality. But you may be able to swing her your way long term with those qualities.

Then she starts thinking "hmm, I like him, if only he would lose weight, he could be a keeper"

My beliefs are facts based on my real life experiences. They are in contradiction to your experiences. What you learn through experiences are subjective in nature. Our perceptions are influenced by our beliefs and in turn influence what we assume to be fact.

Hard sciences can give us more reliable facts, like laws of nature and shit. Our own perceptions of our experiences are not so objective. Anyone can make drastic changes to how they live simply by seeing things from a different perspective.

I'll admit that much of the pickup community has a lot of bullshit and flaws, but don't throw the baby with the bath water or whatever that saying is. The use of untrue affirmations that you speak of is one of the unfortunate pieces of bullshit that the pickup community propagates. In my quest for truth I had to sift through a lot of bullshit to get to the gold but it was still worth it, and I'm much better off now than before I had discovered pickup.

I used to believe it was FACT that no woman in their right mind would be attracted to a skinny little Asian kid like me. My experiences told me so. I had tried to court many many women time and time again, all to no avail. I take it that you've experienced something similar, so you can probably relate to what I'm saying here.

Then, I found some pickup resources on the internet and started to open my mind to ideas. Instead of doing what I had always done, why not try new methods? Fortunately this was back in the day before Mystery Method became popular, so I wasn't as inundated with the same mainstream bullshit that relentlessly gets shoved in our faces today. Instead I was introduced to logical explanations from David Deangelo as to why what I've always been doing cannot work and how different actions coming from a different point of view can work a lot better. I tried some new things and then I started getting more positive attention from women!

If you believe that doing different things will get you the same results as FACT, then you're going to be hopeless in any area of your life. However, I don't think you're that stupid. It's pretty simple logic to follow: different input -> different output.

I'll agree with you there. Although, another anecdote, I have a friend who looks like a cross between Eminem and Peyton Manning who gets laid on a consistent basis by good looking chicks. Not a good cross between the two either. But yes, ONS are different that STR and LTR.

But as a guy you can drastically increase your looks by dressing right and wearing the right hairstyle etc. Women WILL rate you higher than if you were to just dress like joe schmo. That's why I emphasize presentation.

Okay, I saw some pictures, and @Yoda, you could use a bit of a makeover. I'm not sure what your normal going out wear is, but make sure that it fits (tight!). No loose clothing. Your neck makes you look a bit older, use a scarf/shawl to cover that up.

Those are the only things that I have to say. You are for sure not ugly, in the contrary, with the right style of clothing, you can look like the Italian Casanova that you are.

No way that anyone that I know would see you as an Arab, you are to obviously Italian.

I would say, ask a (female) friend with a very good taste of shopping to dress you up a bit and you're good to go.

Further, make sure to walk confident, not like a boxer who just won a match with an angry face. But smile, make a genuine smile, think about something funny. Nobody knows that you're making the smile just to smile. They all think that you have a great time!

Listen to the man. I did this myself with my friend's girlfriend. After I dressed better + lost some more weight I received nothing but compliments and recently got approached for the first time at the bar. The clothes really do make the man.

True, imagine women didnt wear makeup, there would be alot less women getting hit on. I have seen some beautiful women or seemingly without makeup, and their face would make you want to throw up.

So things can be done. But if she dsiqualifies you for being short, your fucked.

For the sake of everyone's sanity, please only quote the most recent quote when you're quoting to reply to someone who quoted you.

I hope that made sense.

In other words, delete everything except the most recent reply when you're quoting shit please. Thanks.

IMO woman with less make up are prettier then with more. I prefer a girl with a few flaws then that I need a hammer to see her real skin