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Its a little sad to see this because all guys have felt this way at one time or another. Looks do matter at first you're right. HOWEVER you can EASLY overcome this with confidence and personality. Im average as fuck like a 6 at best only quality i have is im tall 6'3 and white. But im really out of shape i could be described as "skinny-fat" Long thin arms and legs with NO muscles and fat belly and man boobs ... i havent worked out in 5 years.... YET I still get HB9 - HB9.5s all the time. I make ok money but not rich at all... im not even a good talker or super whitty. So how do i get super HBs?
im 28, I make TONS of friends everywhere i go... i know everyone, make TONS of girlfriends that are just friends, I just talk to girls, dont even spit game, just talk, go friendzone with a lot of them... They invite me places, they trust me... then I meet their hot friends.... their friends say nice things about me... then i run game on their hot friends... WIN.... popularity is a powerful thing. Dont think it stops in highschool. It works in Bars/clubs/parties too.
So my advice to you... go meet some younger people, non PUAs, guys and girls in their 20s, become friends... the rest will take care of itself. Dont let age stop you my best friend is 45 year old mexican guy 5'8 175 .... he gets more pussy then you can even imagine and hes not rich at all. In fact last weekend he slept with a mom and daughter 3some LOL one HB7.5 and one HB8 hahaha Hes a natural doesnt know about this PUA stuff tho.


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Its a little sad to see this because all guys have felt this way at one time or another. Looks do matter at first you're right. HOWEVER you can EASLY overcome this with confidence and personality. Im average as fuck like a 6 at best only quality i have is im tall 6'3 and white. But im really out of shape i could be described as "skinny-fat" Long thin arms and legs with NO muscles and fat belly and man boobs ... i havent worked out in 5 years.... YET I still get HB9 - HB9.5s all the time. I make ok money but not rich at all... im not even a good talker or super whitty. So how do i get super HBs?
im 28, I make TONS of friends everywhere i go... i know everyone, make TONS of girlfriends that are just friends, I just talk to girls, dont even spit game, just talk, go friendzone with a lot of them... They invite me places, they trust me... then I meet their hot friends.... their friends say nice things about me... then i run game on their hot friends... WIN.... popularity is a powerful thing. Dont think it stops in highschool. It works in Bars/clubs/parties too.
So my advice to you... go meet some younger people, non PUAs, guys and girls in their 20s, become friends... the rest will take care of itself. Dont let age stop you my best friend is 45 year old mexican guy 5'8 175 .... he gets more pussy then you can even imagine and hes not rich at all. In fact last weekend he slept with a mom and daughter 3some LOL one HB7.5 and one HB8 hahaha Hes a natural doesnt know about this PUA stuff tho.

Everything you advise and say is good, i do not agree with the go hang out with 20 year olds, that would be kind of weird, the poster is in his 40 he should go for milfs, those women already had the hot guys(or they are sleeping with them till they find something more) etc... those women in some cases will look pass the looks and go for personality, since they already know that hot good looking guy(they had many of those) after a good fuck they won't go anywhere,... The original poster is deep in his belief and excuses, his first step is to accept that he is who he is, now is beyond his control(the look part), so what can he do to overcome his lack of looks... Many things he can become attractive, what attractive qualities "the good looking guys that get all the girls have" mimic those qualities... He needs to understand the the 200 plus girls he approached, he did it wrong, something is wrong if you approach 200 hot girls and you did not land one, something he was doing wrong, and i can tell he did, by the mindset... Now start with small successes go for ugly girls, then ok girls, then regular girls, then good, then the hotties... baby steps... And start by going for middle eastern women in Australia, join a social group or activity involving middle eastern women, play to your strengths..

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I rarely approach hot looking women as they are out of my league, and they would reject me instantly.
As long as you continue to believe this, it will continue to be true.

My opinion? You're paying too much attention to how attractive other guys in the room are and not enough attention to the beautiful ladies you claim to desire.

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I base my beliefs on what actually happened to me when on the rare occaision I did approach a hot looking woman, ie. I was greeted with instant fuck off signals, the silent SPAM and dirty looks. The fact is, and whether you like it or not, you have to compete against better looking men, and sadly I have to say an ugly or average looking guy competing for women with a good looking dude, is analgous to putting up a World War 2 spitfire against a modern day F18 Fighter Jet, who do honestly believe is going to win that dog fight?
you give me the vibe that you go out clubbing/bars mostly to try to get girls, and that is your intention most likely, to ''get girls'' instead of to just chill out or have fun, do you ever go out and come home feeling like the night sucked?

so this year, if you were to guess how many women you have approached that were well aware you were interested in them, around how big would that number be?

^these questions just answer them for yourself, no one else really needs to know them or anything

now you say your in shape, but one of your big insecurities is being bald, you are also trying to say ''ugly guys'' can't get hot women unless they are rich and famous,

ok now you seem to be coming into this with the understanding that sexual value = looks, lets use the term ''value'' to represent sexual currency, you are a guy, so pretty much health is almost primarily what you value, just about every guy out there places a high value on looks, but you can't assume it is the exact same the other way around, there have been numerous studies done that suggest women are attracted to ''status'', not looks, not money, not game, not height, not one piece of the puzzle, it is the whole puzzle as a whole, the ''status'', how important is one in relation to others, and this ''value'' is subjective and the impression you make will be dependent on how you offer value, and how your value is perceived, some guys can earn instant status with girls because of good looks, if you are in the 80/90+ percentile you have something that sets you apart from other guys, if you are filthy rich, you have something that sets you apart from other guys, if you are famous you will have alot of social connections, everyone feels they already know you, you have a social status that brings you even more status and if your fame is framed correctly it could bring women hunting you down day and night, but you don't have to be rich, or famous, or amazingly model good looking to get girls, average guys can do it fairly easily just with alot of practice, some discipline and confidence, to be a cool person, you just gotta believe in yourself, form your own opinions and express yourself and what you want and then put in the time and effort, looks go about as far as having to be physically passable, and to be fair as long as you are somewhat fit you are most likely physically passable for most

it won't be sunshine and rainbows for you, you can get 100 approaches done within a weeks time, but you have to find enjoyment out of this and get some good experience, once you can associate something positive with the process, you will find more motivation


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Its a little sad to see this because all guys have felt this way at one time or another. Looks do matter at first you're right. HOWEVER you can EASLY overcome this with confidence and personality. Im average as fuck like a 6 at best only quality i have is im tall 6'3 and white. But im really out of shape i could be described as "skinny-fat" Long thin arms and legs with NO muscles and fat belly and man boobs ... i havent worked out in 5 years.... YET I still get HB9 - HB9.5s all the time. I make ok money but not rich at all... im not even a good talker or super whitty. So how do i get super HBs?
im 28, I make TONS of friends everywhere i go... i know everyone, make TONS of girlfriends that are just friends, I just talk to girls, dont even spit game, just talk, go friendzone with a lot of them... They invite me places, they trust me... then I meet their hot friends.... their friends say nice things about me... then i run game on their hot friends... WIN.... popularity is a powerful thing. Dont think it stops in highschool. It works in Bars/clubs/parties too.
So my advice to you... go meet some younger people, non PUAs, guys and girls in their 20s, become friends... the rest will take care of itself. Dont let age stop you my best friend is 45 year old mexican guy 5'8 175 .... he gets more pussy then you can even imagine and hes not rich at all. In fact last weekend he slept with a mom and daughter 3some LOL one HB7.5 and one HB8 hahaha Hes a natural doesnt know about this PUA stuff tho.

Everything you advise and say is good, i do not agree with the go hang out with 20 year olds, that would be kind of weird, the poster is in his 40 he should go for milfs, those women already had the hot guys(or they are sleeping with them till they find something more) etc... those women in some cases will look pass the looks and go for personality, since they already know that hot good looking guy(they had many of those) after a good fuck they won't go anywhere,... The original poster is deep in his belief and excuses, his first step is to accept that he is who he is, now is beyond his control(the look part), so what can he do to overcome his lack of looks... Many things he can become attractive, what attractive qualities "the good looking guys that get all the girls have" mimic those qualities... He needs to understand the the 200 plus girls he approached, he did it wrong, something is wrong if you approach 200 hot girls and you did not land one, something he was doing wrong, and i can tell he did, by the mindset... Now start with small successes go for ugly girls, then ok girls, then regular girls, then good, then the hotties... baby steps... And start by going for middle eastern women in Australia, join a social group or activity involving middle eastern women, play to your strengths..
I disagree when it comes to only going for milfs. Most hot milfs are looking for money and status and a good mate to settle down with because they are like a ticking clock and time is running out. Younger girls don’t always care. Also, those 20 year olds, some have single parents you never know. From experience with my 45 year old friend, he dressed like us, hung out with us and banged as many girls in their 20-30 as us.. most of them hot. Young girls LOVE older guys even if they don’t have money they think they have more experience. So he spent a year just sleeping with HBs and then he found a HB8 Milf that’s 40 hes been seeing for 6 months.

Also if the OP is so worried about his hair he can get hair implant surgery, its really not that expensive and really really worth it.

Worst is to just do nothing and give up, 40 is still pretty young you have many many years and women ahead of you, you just have to work to better yourself and gain confidence.


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Before I make my post, I'll firstly introduce myself, I am an older guy (I am in my 40's), and have never really had any luck with women. I am not a virgin, and my only sex with women has been with hookers. Unfortunately my race and ugly looks have written me off in the dating game, but that's life, and before you accuse me of being too picky, I rarely approach hot looking women as they are out of my league, and they would reject me instantly. I have approached about 200 odd women in my lifetime, but I have given up, and have resigned myself to dying alone.

Anyway, the reason I am making the post is because I am seriously challenging this idea from the PUA industry that looks don't matter when it comes to attraction, because in my experience LOOKS is the major thing women go for, followed closely by money,fame and bad boy personna.

To qualify the above, why is it that in virtually every social situation I have observed where men and women interact, the best looking guys would end up picking up the girl without fail. Sure there are exceptions to this, and the odd ugly guy may get lucky, but for the most part if you don't pass the looks test with a woman, it's GAME OVER, and no amount of game or any other of that PUA quackery will change her mind.

I will probably get banned for this post, but fuck it, I can discredit PUA teachings and the whole PUA industry so easily it's not even funny, and no I am not a troll, I am deadly serious.
Everyone else has pretty much summed things up here, my friend.
If this is what you truly believe though - I'd suggest Russian Bride!!

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Firstly, I am not encouraging any man (irrespective of age), to give up on pick up, finding wife/girlfriend, whatever etc, that's an individual choice each man has to make, however if you have tried your hardest, and still nothing, and there are many men in this predicament, then there is no shame in giving up, because how do you win a game, that is rigged against unattractive men?
You can paddle as hard as you want but if you actually want to move across the water one must learn to paddle correctly. It seems from reading your posts that you read a few things about pickup went out and tried them, failed and now your here all butt hurt because it didn't work out like it should have. The fact is a lot of the materials and such out there on pickup is nothing more than crap and only made to get you to buy more as a lot of these "guru's" make their money.
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And yes, men should know their limitations and not aim out of their league, for example if you are a 3 to 4/10 on the looks scale as a man, then you are wasting your time aiming for 9 to 10/10 looking women, this is common sense.
Dude your only limiting your self if you think this. Because this only effects your attitude toward hot girls in turn will only make it harder to pick them up.
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You blame me for something that I have no control over
So your mom still dresses you and tells you how to act I take it? So fucking what if you look Middle Eastern, use what you have to your advantage. Wear clothes that fit your body and don't go around all butt sore. I use to wear lose to bagish clothing in high school and when I was in college I started to wear fitted t-shirts. Guess what happen, the hot girls where starting to give me attention because I was dressing better. Let me repeat that since your an old dog, hotter girls gave me attention because I dressed better. When ever I seen Middle Eastern guys for the most part they are well dress.
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As for approaching average looking women, how can I go for hot looking women, when I am not good looking myself?, and have no chance with them, remember you can only aim within your league. Also, I value a womans personality and intelligence than her looks.
You have no chance if you think you have no chance with them. Its that simple. Yes some hot girls will reject you, it happens to every single guy out there. Only someone full of shit will say they never been rejected before. It would also help if you stop being so butt hurt and got some balls and confidence and approach and just talked to hot girls.
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My beliefs are FACTS and my real life experiences, not the pop positivity, fake reality that gets promoted by both the PUA and self help industries,eg. you cannot pretend to be the worlds best fighter, when in reality you could not fight your way out of a wet paper bag.
Your beliefs are nothing more than OPINIONS bases upon your experiences.


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Unless you look like osama bin laden as an arabic man, why the fuck are you saying all women hate arabs? Personally I know some middle eastern women that hate arabs and they themselves look arab.

Dude, it just depends on the girl. You sitting here choding out logic arguing with us. Yes. I am a model. The secret is out. You got me. That's my pick-up mani-fucking-festo.

BECOME A MODEL, tell the girl, you're IN.


No motherfucker. Some girls are just like "oh whatever" and 99.9% of the time I don't tell them I'm a model. Can they assume whatever they want sure, but it does not get me the women. By your logic, I should be closing all the women I talk to. You ask me why I needed pick up? Simple, fucking choice. I was a handsome looking shy ass retard who used to be bossed around by the hottest girls in my high school to the point one girl openly threatened "Why am I even with you? You know I should fuck Kenny....i bet he has a bigger dick than you. You think you look so good well fuck you. ur nothing without me." THIS motherfucker is what motivated me every fucking day. I didn't sit there crying about a girl called Chelsea who was the meanest harshest bitch on the planet.

You say you're in Australia and you can't get ANY women to like you? You're actually telling me, every woman is telling you "please fuck off"? Motherfucker some women obviously say FUCK OFF. LOOK AT my other thread. It happens.

There is something you are not telling us. If you got a beard like a terrorist, then fucking do something about it. Me personally, sometimes I have a beard and I do not give a FUCKKKKKK what the girl thinks. I don't go home crying "but I look middle eastern WAHH"

If not, then what the fuck are you trying to tell us? You are the first man in the world every woman hates...EVERY SINGLE WOMAN? You know I was told I look like the dude from WHITE CASTLE. Know what I said? Want to come back to my place and have some? I f-closed that girl that very night, Caucasian brunette with 36C breasts and a ass that was rock solid.

You met all the women in the world? FYI I look turkish so its part middle eastern and I'm also part Italian, so to hear you say shit like "I look middle eastern (and ur not even middle eastern)" is fucking hilarious.

I know so many countless examples of dudes that are laying girls you'd be jacking off to. And newsflash, 8 of my girlfriends/lovers have been from Newcastle, Melbourne, and Sydney in Australia (2 when I was actually in Australia for 2 months). Last I checked, they didn't tell me to fuck off.

Seek help and stop insulting that green little midget Yoda. I think you are categorizing all women and I'm going to severely fucking doubt you approach any women at all...this much you made clear. I mean you're 40 and only had 200 approaches? I do that much in 2 weeks. Stop categorizing average women to be "Easier" than "hotter women" This is the problem. You lack the core fundamentals of pick up and sorry to say it, you are hellbent on refusing them because you deep down think 'I'm fucking 40...I cant change now...I might as well be alone FOREVER." You have a VICTIM mentality mindset and worse off a women-generalizing mindset based on your experiences for which you cant be blamed. Your brain has taken the experiences you had (mostly bad) and has rationalized it to yourself being the problem rather than the women. Yet again, I don't blame you. You're only human.

But....You don't EVEN want to change. Admit this aspect about yourself. Admit it. Fucking admit it if you are the truth seeker of your own life.
Good looking men who are naturals with women (like yourself), cannot teach ugly dudes like me how to be good with women, because you simply cannot comprehend or empathise what we have to endure. Also you simply do not understand the power your looks gives you in the dating game. Put simply, you won in the genetics lottery, and I lost, but good luck to you.

If you are a male model, then of course you will have mutilple women, that's only because they picked you up, you see one of the biggest myths out there is that men choose women, they don't, women choose you, as a man you simply need to read the IOIs and act upon them.

You blame me for something that I have no control over, and that is how women react to me, or whether they find me attractive. Tell me, how is "game" or PUA material going to help me, if women give me instant fuck off signals and bad body language? (most of my rejections didn't even get to the stage where I asked the woman out for her to say no, I already knew she wasn't interested).

And no I don't have a beard or moustache (I hate facial hair), I shower daily, brush my teeth, use deodorant religiously, and I go the gym 6 days a week, and have a decent fit body for my age. I do admit that I used to be overweight, but over the last 20 odd months I have become a gym junkie and have changed my diet.

As for approaching average looking women, how can I go for hot looking women, when I am not good looking myself?, and have no chance with them, remember you can only aim within your league. Also, I value a womans personality and intelligence than her looks.

I imagine your comeback will be more insults and shaming language, but that's to be expected.
You make sense in some ways. It's true, words can not help you with women if they dont want to talk to you. Plain and simple. Nothing a car salesman can say to a customer to make them buy, if they have no money to buy the car.

Money for car=interested in talking to you.

Many women will say "i'm not interested" before you even get a word out. And your like what the fuck, Your not interested? interested in what, all I said was what is your opinion on something.

But it's like telemarketers when they call the house, you tell them you ar enot interested before they get hello out.

You are like a telemarketer when you approach a woman. Very few, if any telemarketer is going to get his full speach out before they hang up.

If you looked like Brad Pitt the woman is at least going to respect you and smile and be nice, simply because she respects you. If you are a geek and ugly and fat, you have nothing(in her mind) for her to respect you.

And it's not as if opening a crowd of people is always going to result in you getting friendly with everybody, in most cases, you are an unwated intruder, and I know from my own experience, I hate when strange people try to get in my group, human nature.

Im in your age group, I have experienced alot in my lifetime as well. I did ok with women, im a halfway decent looking guy.

Looks are the initial lure. No woman is going to be checking you out from across the dance floor because she thinks you have confidence, Ive heard many women tell me they don't know why so and so has so much confidence, he has no reason to be.

What girls really like is a good looking guy who doesnt act like he is.

I agree with you, it is compelte bullshit when people say all you need is confidence. Yes, when you are good looking and people tell you you are good looking all the time, you have reason to be confident, and confidence is natural and real. With others it's put on and fake.

I have had women come on to me who were so obviously trying to be confident, that it turned me the fuck off, I couldn't stand being around somebody who was trying to be confident, even though you know that's not how they really are. it's annoying and it makes you want to smack them

What the real goal of PUA should be is maximizing whatever potential you have.

Looks matter, but so does looking good, dressing well, grooming and holding yourself in a way that shows you are comfortable with yourself.

You have to remember that women marry, and when they do, over time their once handsome husbands get beer bellies, and lose their hair and have bad breath, and cant get it up, but they still stay married to them.

Thats cause theres more to the picture than physical appearance.

But the catch 22, the looks is what attracts them to you at first.

I see it as this.

If you naturally get 5's, PUA training can get you into the 6's and 7's.

And dont forget, not all women are the same, some women just like a fun guy, some women get tired of the handsome guys too cause they are more likely to cheat.

My advice? Practice on women who dont seem intimidating. And that can be humbling too, Ive had ugly ass women not give me the time of day too, which really makes you take a step back.

But there are enough women who you find attractive out there, who will respond to you. These are the ones you need some PUA training to get.


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Its a little sad to see this because all guys have felt this way at one time or another. Looks do matter at first you're right. HOWEVER you can EASLY overcome this with confidence and personality. Im average as fuck like a 6 at best only quality i have is im tall 6'3 and white. But im really out of shape i could be described as "skinny-fat" Long thin arms and legs with NO muscles and fat belly and man boobs ... i havent worked out in 5 years.... YET I still get HB9 - HB9.5s all the time. I make ok money but not rich at all... im not even a good talker or super whitty. So how do i get super HBs?
im 28, I make TONS of friends everywhere i go... i know everyone, make TONS of girlfriends that are just friends, I just talk to girls, dont even spit game, just talk, go friendzone with a lot of them... They invite me places, they trust me... then I meet their hot friends.... their friends say nice things about me... then i run game on their hot friends... WIN.... popularity is a powerful thing. Dont think it stops in highschool. It works in Bars/clubs/parties too.
So my advice to you... go meet some younger people, non PUAs, guys and girls in their 20s, become friends... the rest will take care of itself. Dont let age stop you my best friend is 45 year old mexican guy 5'8 175 .... he gets more pussy then you can even imagine and hes not rich at all. In fact last weekend he slept with a mom and daughter 3some LOL one HB7.5 and one HB8 hahaha Hes a natural doesnt know about this PUA stuff tho.

Everything you advise and say is good, i do not agree with the go hang out with 20 year olds, that would be kind of weird, the poster is in his 40 he should go for milfs, those women already had the hot guys(or they are sleeping with them till they find something more) etc... those women in some cases will look pass the looks and go for personality, since they already know that hot good looking guy(they had many of those) after a good fuck they won't go anywhere,... The original poster is deep in his belief and excuses, his first step is to accept that he is who he is, now is beyond his control(the look part), so what can he do to overcome his lack of looks... Many things he can become attractive, what attractive qualities "the good looking guys that get all the girls have" mimic those qualities... He needs to understand the the 200 plus girls he approached, he did it wrong, something is wrong if you approach 200 hot girls and you did not land one, something he was doing wrong, and i can tell he did, by the mindset... Now start with small successes go for ugly girls, then ok girls, then regular girls, then good, then the hotties... baby steps... And start by going for middle eastern women in Australia, join a social group or activity involving middle eastern women, play to your strengths..
I disagree when it comes to only going for milfs. Most hot milfs are looking for money and status and a good mate to settle down with because they are like a ticking clock and time is running out. Younger girls don’t always care. Also, those 20 year olds, some have single parents you never know. From experience with my 45 year old friend, he dressed like us, hung out with us and banged as many girls in their 20-30 as us.. most of them hot. Young girls LOVE older guys even if they don’t have money they think they have more experience. So he spent a year just sleeping with HBs and then he found a HB8 Milf that’s 40 hes been seeing for 6 months.

Also if the OP is so worried about his hair he can get hair implant surgery, its really not that expensive and really really worth it.

Worst is to just do nothing and give up, 40 is still pretty young you have many many years and women ahead of you, you just have to work to better yourself and gain confidence.

re read what i wrote this dude will find nothing in common with a 20 year old, i am 37, what you are advising is not good, your 45 year old friend is probably like me an older dude that looks young and has game... but anyways his best bet is baby steps and to play on his strengths... And go for middle eastern women... I did not say to go for Hot milfs, i said go for milfs...Younger women like older guys but not 20 years older maybe 6-8 years older...

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Everything you advise and say is good, i do not agree with the go hang out with 20 year olds, that would be kind of weird, the poster is in his 40 he should go for milfs, those women already had the hot guys(or they are sleeping with them till they find something more) etc... those women in some cases will look pass the looks and go for personality, since they already know that hot good looking guy(they had many of those) after a good fuck they won't go anywhere,... The original poster is deep in his belief and excuses, his first step is to accept that he is who he is, now is beyond his control(the look part), so what can he do to overcome his lack of looks... Many things he can become attractive, what attractive qualities "the good looking guys that get all the girls have" mimic those qualities... He needs to understand the the 200 plus girls he approached, he did it wrong, something is wrong if you approach 200 hot girls and you did not land one, something he was doing wrong, and i can tell he did, by the mindset... Now start with small successes go for ugly girls, then ok girls, then regular girls, then good, then the hotties... baby steps... And start by going for middle eastern women in Australia, join a social group or activity involving middle eastern women, play to your strengths..
I disagree when it comes to only going for milfs. Most hot milfs are looking for money and status and a good mate to settle down with because they are like a ticking clock and time is running out. Younger girls don’t always care. Also, those 20 year olds, some have single parents you never know. From experience with my 45 year old friend, he dressed like us, hung out with us and banged as many girls in their 20-30 as us.. most of them hot. Young girls LOVE older guys even if they don’t have money they think they have more experience. So he spent a year just sleeping with HBs and then he found a HB8 Milf that’s 40 hes been seeing for 6 months.

Also if the OP is so worried about his hair he can get hair implant surgery, its really not that expensive and really really worth it.

Worst is to just do nothing and give up, 40 is still pretty young you have many many years and women ahead of you, you just have to work to better yourself and gain confidence.

re read what i wrote this dude will find nothing in common with a 20 year old, i am 37, what you are advising is not good, your 45 year old friend is probably like me an older dude that looks young and has game... but anyways his best bet is baby steps and to play on his strengths... And go for middle eastern women... I did not say to go for Hot milfs, i said go for milfs...Younger women like older guys but not 20 years older maybe 6-8 years older...
Yeah, Ive had some 20 year olds and ther friends act like Im a creepy old man when I try to game her. It's a weird and humbling feeling.

But if you a rich, nobody questions it, it's expected. Gotta go get my lottery tickets.


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He's telling you what you need to hear. CJH is never one for tact but he knows what he is talking about. I think you confuse resistance with disinterest. Throw this league bullshit out the window. You sound AFC as hell. Leagues do not exist. It's all bullshit disqualifies that uneducated guys get in their heads. I've seen too much proof in my daily life to say otherwise. In fact, one of my friends who is a fat slob dates a girl who is 7/8. My guess is that you go in with this attitude that youre going to fail and you exude it. Women are extremely socially intuitive and can sense your lack of confidence. You may be 40 years old but you are extremely immature and uneducated.
Thanks for the lesson in PUA terminology ie. AVERAGE FRUSTRATED CHUMP, firstly I have never really gone after hot looking women, because they are out of my league, plus I have never really been a looks person, I value a womans personality, integrity and warmth over her appearance. Also, the better looking a woman is, the more of a pain in the arse, high maintenance entitlement princess she will be.

And no I am not confusing disinterest with resistance, when a woman is acting indifferently to you, or is giving you negative body language, it's her non verbal way of telling you to get lost, and that she is not interested. When that happens I walk away, what else can you do?

As for your fat slob friend who is dating a 7/8 looking woman, I bet he is rich, or has some other "hidden advantage", or in reality he was just plain lucky.

Women are not socially intuitive, and this notion that women can detect things about men is total horseshit, because if women really did have this "intuition", then why is the divorce rate so high?, and why do so many women get cheated on, and/or beaten up by their bad boy men?? I have approached women with confidence and a positive attitude, and still got rejcted. And on the topic of confidence, do you actually know what they word "confidence" really means? Well I tell you, and it's real easy: "Confidence is a self assured feeling, free of self doubt that you will achieve a positive outcome, based on PREVIOUS, PERFORMANCE, ACCOMPLISHMENT". In simple terms it means, that you need to have the previous track record of success to have that self assured feeling that is source of confidence eg. why is Tiger Woods a confident golfer?, simple he wins golf tournaments.

And thanks for the "immature and uneducated" insult, which is bullshit, because you don't even know me, nor have you met me.
You are so misinformed it is ridiculous. I am sorry you have rejected or feel like you have been rejected by women your entire life the way you have. But dont you think if you are the ONLY one who feels this way that there might be a reason? My friend is not riich, he works at a fucking hot dog stand for a living. He has no advantage other than he has a great personality and loves himself for who he is. There is no "luck" in attraction. I'll tell you right now, all the women Ive been involved with were better looking than me. Does that mean I've gotten lucky EVERY SINGLE TIME? No. Because there is no luck.

A woman is only out of your league if you put here there. I am the same exact height and weight as you by the way so don't even use that as an excuse. If you are at least relatively fit, dress well, groom well, and carry yourself well then you are NOT ugly to women. And yes they are socially intuitive. The reason they are with these douchers is because they think they are the shit and women are attracted to "the shit". You think you are worthless and hate yourself so how can you expect a woman to love you if you dont even love yourself?
I am in good shape as I go the gym 6 days a week, plus I eat healthy.

It's women who think I am worthless, not me, because at the end of day I too can think "I am the shit", (I don't in real life, I am actually very humble and modest), but that means nothing if the woman has rejected me instantly because of my looks. Women are attracted to bad boys because of the perceived excitement they bring to a relationship.

And no women are not socially intuitive, that's BS, if that was the case, then why do so many women end up getting cheated on?, or beaten up?, and why is the divorce rate so high?

Women are attracted to looks and/or money, and this can be easily proven.

Your success with women is only because they found you physically attractive, and luck also plays a part.

There are "leagues", as a man if you are a 1/10 on the looks scale (like me), you have got no chance of picking up a HB9, absolutely none.


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As long as you continue to believe this, it will continue to be true.

My opinion? You're paying too much attention to how attractive other guys in the room are and not enough attention to the beautiful ladies you claim to desire.

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I base my beliefs on what actually happened to me when on the rare occaision I did approach a hot looking woman, ie. I was greeted with instant fuck off signals, the silent SPAM and dirty looks. The fact is, and whether you like it or not, you have to compete against better looking men, and sadly I have to say an ugly or average looking guy competing for women with a good looking dude, is analgous to putting up a World War 2 spitfire against a modern day F18 Fighter Jet, who do honestly believe is going to win that dog fight?
you give me the vibe that you go out clubbing/bars mostly to try to get girls, and that is your intention most likely, to ''get girls'' instead of to just chill out or have fun, do you ever go out and come home feeling like the night sucked?

so this year, if you were to guess how many women you have approached that were well aware you were interested in them, around how big would that number be?

^these questions just answer them for yourself, no one else really needs to know them or anything

now you say your in shape, but one of your big insecurities is being bald, you are also trying to say ''ugly guys'' can't get hot women unless they are rich and famous,

ok now you seem to be coming into this with the understanding that sexual value = looks, lets use the term ''value'' to represent sexual currency, you are a guy, so pretty much health is almost primarily what you value, just about every guy out there places a high value on looks, but you can't assume it is the exact same the other way around, there have been numerous studies done that suggest women are attracted to ''status'', not looks, not money, not game, not height, not one piece of the puzzle, it is the whole puzzle as a whole, the ''status'', how important is one in relation to others, and this ''value'' is subjective and the impression you make will be dependent on how you offer value, and how your value is perceived, some guys can earn instant status with girls because of good looks, if you are in the 80/90+ percentile you have something that sets you apart from other guys, if you are filthy rich, you have something that sets you apart from other guys, if you are famous you will have alot of social connections, everyone feels they already know you, you have a social status that brings you even more status and if your fame is framed correctly it could bring women hunting you down day and night, but you don't have to be rich, or famous, or amazingly model good looking to get girls, average guys can do it fairly easily just with alot of practice, some discipline and confidence, to be a cool person, you just gotta believe in yourself, form your own opinions and express yourself and what you want and then put in the time and effort, looks go about as far as having to be physically passable, and to be fair as long as you are somewhat fit you are most likely physically passable for most

it won't be sunshine and rainbows for you, you can get 100 approaches done within a weeks time, but you have to find enjoyment out of this and get some good experience, once you can associate something positive with the process, you will find more motivation
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Thanks for the lesson in PUA terminology ie. AVERAGE FRUSTRATED CHUMP, firstly I have never really gone after hot looking women, because they are out of my league, plus I have never really been a looks person, I value a womans personality, integrity and warmth over her appearance. Also, the better looking a woman is, the more of a pain in the arse, high maintenance entitlement princess she will be.

And no I am not confusing disinterest with resistance, when a woman is acting indifferently to you, or is giving you negative body language, it's her non verbal way of telling you to get lost, and that she is not interested. When that happens I walk away, what else can you do?

As for your fat slob friend who is dating a 7/8 looking woman, I bet he is rich, or has some other "hidden advantage", or in reality he was just plain lucky.

Women are not socially intuitive, and this notion that women can detect things about men is total horseshit, because if women really did have this "intuition", then why is the divorce rate so high?, and why do so many women get cheated on, and/or beaten up by their bad boy men?? I have approached women with confidence and a positive attitude, and still got rejcted. And on the topic of confidence, do you actually know what they word "confidence" really means? Well I tell you, and it's real easy: "Confidence is a self assured feeling, free of self doubt that you will achieve a positive outcome, based on PREVIOUS, PERFORMANCE, ACCOMPLISHMENT". In simple terms it means, that you need to have the previous track record of success to have that self assured feeling that is source of confidence eg. why is Tiger Woods a confident golfer?, simple he wins golf tournaments.

And thanks for the "immature and uneducated" insult, which is bullshit, because you don't even know me, nor have you met me.
You are so misinformed it is ridiculous. I am sorry you have rejected or feel like you have been rejected by women your entire life the way you have. But dont you think if you are the ONLY one who feels this way that there might be a reason? My friend is not riich, he works at a fucking hot dog stand for a living. He has no advantage other than he has a great personality and loves himself for who he is. There is no "luck" in attraction. I'll tell you right now, all the women Ive been involved with were better looking than me. Does that mean I've gotten lucky EVERY SINGLE TIME? No. Because there is no luck.

A woman is only out of your league if you put here there. I am the same exact height and weight as you by the way so don't even use that as an excuse. If you are at least relatively fit, dress well, groom well, and carry yourself well then you are NOT ugly to women. And yes they are socially intuitive. The reason they are with these douchers is because they think they are the shit and women are attracted to "the shit". You think you are worthless and hate yourself so how can you expect a woman to love you if you dont even love yourself?
I am in good shape as I go the gym 6 days a week, plus I eat healthy.

It's women who think I am worthless, not me, because at the end of day I too can think "I am the shit", (I don't in real life, I am actually very humble and modest), but that means nothing if the woman has rejected me instantly because of my looks. Women are attracted to bad boys because of the perceived excitement they bring to a relationship.

And no women are not socially intuitive, that's BS, if that was the case, then why do so many women end up getting cheated on?, or beaten up?, and why is the divorce rate so high?

Women are attracted to looks and/or money, and this can be easily proven.

Your success with women is only because they found you physically attractive, and luck also plays a part.

There are "leagues", as a man if you are a 1/10 on the looks scale (like me), you have got no chance of picking up a HB9, absolutely none.
Dude, I typed you a response. Stop arguing with the guys who claim to get hot women while working at the hotdog stand, I didnt write what i wrote for my health.

Write down what I told you, it will help.


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You are so misinformed it is ridiculous. I am sorry you have rejected or feel like you have been rejected by women your entire life the way you have. But dont you think if you are the ONLY one who feels this way that there might be a reason? My friend is not riich, he works at a fucking hot dog stand for a living. He has no advantage other than he has a great personality and loves himself for who he is. There is no "luck" in attraction. I'll tell you right now, all the women Ive been involved with were better looking than me. Does that mean I've gotten lucky EVERY SINGLE TIME? No. Because there is no luck.

A woman is only out of your league if you put here there. I am the same exact height and weight as you by the way so don't even use that as an excuse. If you are at least relatively fit, dress well, groom well, and carry yourself well then you are NOT ugly to women. And yes they are socially intuitive. The reason they are with these douchers is because they think they are the shit and women are attracted to "the shit". You think you are worthless and hate yourself so how can you expect a woman to love you if you dont even love yourself?
I am in good shape as I go the gym 6 days a week, plus I eat healthy.

It's women who think I am worthless, not me, because at the end of day I too can think "I am the shit", (I don't in real life, I am actually very humble and modest), but that means nothing if the woman has rejected me instantly because of my looks. Women are attracted to bad boys because of the perceived excitement they bring to a relationship.

And no women are not socially intuitive, that's BS, if that was the case, then why do so many women end up getting cheated on?, or beaten up?, and why is the divorce rate so high?

Women are attracted to looks and/or money, and this can be easily proven.

Your success with women is only because they found you physically attractive, and luck also plays a part.

There are "leagues", as a man if you are a 1/10 on the looks scale (like me), you have got no chance of picking up a HB9, absolutely none.
Dude, I typed you a response. Stop arguing with the guys who claim to get hot women while working at the hotdog stand, I didnt write what i wrote for my health.

Write down what I told you, it will help.
I wasn't talking about myself. And it's a 100% true story. She admitted to me that he isn't physically type of guy she usually goes for but it was the fact that he loved himself and had a great sense of humor that attracted her to him.


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Thanks for the lesson in PUA terminology ie. AVERAGE FRUSTRATED CHUMP, firstly I have never really gone after hot looking women, because they are out of my league, plus I have never really been a looks person, I value a womans personality, integrity and warmth over her appearance. Also, the better looking a woman is, the more of a pain in the arse, high maintenance entitlement princess she will be.

And no I am not confusing disinterest with resistance, when a woman is acting indifferently to you, or is giving you negative body language, it's her non verbal way of telling you to get lost, and that she is not interested. When that happens I walk away, what else can you do?

As for your fat slob friend who is dating a 7/8 looking woman, I bet he is rich, or has some other "hidden advantage", or in reality he was just plain lucky.

Women are not socially intuitive, and this notion that women can detect things about men is total horseshit, because if women really did have this "intuition", then why is the divorce rate so high?, and why do so many women get cheated on, and/or beaten up by their bad boy men?? I have approached women with confidence and a positive attitude, and still got rejcted. And on the topic of confidence, do you actually know what they word "confidence" really means? Well I tell you, and it's real easy: "Confidence is a self assured feeling, free of self doubt that you will achieve a positive outcome, based on PREVIOUS, PERFORMANCE, ACCOMPLISHMENT". In simple terms it means, that you need to have the previous track record of success to have that self assured feeling that is source of confidence eg. why is Tiger Woods a confident golfer?, simple he wins golf tournaments.

And thanks for the "immature and uneducated" insult, which is bullshit, because you don't even know me, nor have you met me.
You are so misinformed it is ridiculous. I am sorry you have rejected or feel like you have been rejected by women your entire life the way you have. But dont you think if you are the ONLY one who feels this way that there might be a reason? My friend is not riich, he works at a fucking hot dog stand for a living. He has no advantage other than he has a great personality and loves himself for who he is. There is no "luck" in attraction. I'll tell you right now, all the women Ive been involved with were better looking than me. Does that mean I've gotten lucky EVERY SINGLE TIME? No. Because there is no luck.

A woman is only out of your league if you put here there. I am the same exact height and weight as you by the way so don't even use that as an excuse. If you are at least relatively fit, dress well, groom well, and carry yourself well then you are NOT ugly to women. And yes they are socially intuitive. The reason they are with these douchers is because they think they are the shit and women are attracted to "the shit". You think you are worthless and hate yourself so how can you expect a woman to love you if you dont even love yourself?
I am in good shape as I go the gym 6 days a week, plus I eat healthy.

It's women who think I am worthless, not me, because at the end of day I too can think "I am the shit", (I don't in real life, I am actually very humble and modest), but that means nothing if the woman has rejected me instantly because of my looks. Women are attracted to bad boys because of the perceived excitement they bring to a relationship.

And no women are not socially intuitive, that's BS, if that was the case, then why do so many women end up getting cheated on?, or beaten up?, and why is the divorce rate so high?

Women are attracted to looks and/or money, and this can be easily proven.

Your success with women is only because they found you physically attractive, and luck also plays a part.

There are "leagues", as a man if you are a 1/10 on the looks scale (like me), you have got no chance of picking up a HB9, absolutely none.
I am a slightly above average looking guy only but I present myself very well. That's really what is important when it comes to "looks" I dress well, have a stylish haircut, and take care of myself physically. A woman isn't as interested in what your face looks like as she is how you present yourself to the world. Really you have to be a level where she wouldn't feel embarrassed to be seen with you. This all differs on the girl.

Yes, they are socially intuitive. I just told you why that shit happens. You don't want to listen. You don't think men can be deceiving as well? There are leagues in the fact that some fat slob cant expect to consistently pull hot women. Not that it cant happen but they cant expect it to. You are not a 1/10. I guarantee it. The fact that you think so little of yourself and think that looks are what makes the world go around for women will doom you. Forever.


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I am in good shape as I go the gym 6 days a week, plus I eat healthy.

It's women who think I am worthless, not me, because at the end of day I too can think "I am the shit", (I don't in real life, I am actually very humble and modest), but that means nothing if the woman has rejected me instantly because of my looks. Women are attracted to bad boys because of the perceived excitement they bring to a relationship.

And no women are not socially intuitive, that's BS, if that was the case, then why do so many women end up getting cheated on?, or beaten up?, and why is the divorce rate so high?

Women are attracted to looks and/or money, and this can be easily proven.

Your success with women is only because they found you physically attractive, and luck also plays a part.

There are "leagues", as a man if you are a 1/10 on the looks scale (like me), you have got no chance of picking up a HB9, absolutely none.
Dude, I typed you a response. Stop arguing with the guys who claim to get hot women while working at the hotdog stand, I didnt write what i wrote for my health.

Write down what I told you, it will help.
I wasn't talking about myself. And it's a 100% true story. She admitted to me that he isn't physically type of guy she usually goes for but it was the fact that he loved himself and had a great sense of humor that attracted her to him.
Well, for her to figure out that he loved himself, and his great sense of humour, she had to be around him for a long time to know it.

It wasnt "we just met, but your love of yourself is making me melt"

This qualities can attract a woman, but she has to be in contact with you somehow to know that. And Im taking it that she is young and so is he. At a young age, it doesnt really matter where you work, or how much money you have.


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