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Saying that looks don't matter is rather silly. It's mostly used for marketing. The real message in pickup is that bad looks and lack of initial attraction from the girl can be overcome...

...and you can still seduce her if you learn how to have the correct skills and mindsets to get the job done.

It's no secret that the older you get, the more difficult it is to accept new information that may change the way you think. At 40 years of age, this is another challenge you have that most of us younger people don't.

The fact of the matter is, the way you have lived your life and the way you have shaped your mind is antiquated compared to our "technology." If you take a quick look at history, you'll see that the only way to get rich was to have been born into a rich family. There really was no other way. Then, innovative and creative people came along and made new money. They didn't play the old money game and we pickup artists don't play the old dating game.

Growing up in America, I initially had a really hard time with girls because I'm a short Asian guy. Let me tell you, man... short Asian guys are really really undesirable. I've come a long way through the hard work of becoming a pickup artist. I have the expertise, skill, and correct beliefs that allow me to speak the language of women in a way that turns them on to no end. You can have the same dramatic life change if you let go of your old beliefs and open your eyes to how everything we do really does make a lot of sense.

If not, then, well... enjoy your hookers.


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What I would suggest is, go and check for a local lair and go out sarging with these guys. See with your own eyes what is possible and let them help you.

One of my good friends and best wing man, is a very small, underweight, balding, Indian looking guy, without fitting clothing. In Ireland. Thrust me, he is not attractive here. But when we go out sarging, the girls come to him! They open him!

Why and how? First it's social proof, I like to think that I'm good looking, second he is extremely confident. And to girls this is intriguing (and to other guys too btw), because an ugly guy that looks confident, must have something (right, did I mention that he is poor?). The only thing that he actually is good at (apart from sarging) is dancing. When he dances, groups form around him and he can do with the girls whatever he wants. Even if I AMOG him, he still gets the girls.

I would have invited you if you lived near.

So,
1) I don't believe that you are actually ugly
2) Make sure your appearance is good (fitting clothing, stylish) you will feel better already. Take care of your skin too.
3) Go out with people who know Sarging or good friends.
4) Fuck the girls, you are just there to have fun!

Only when you feel confident about yourself, you will see that girls stop saying "No".

Another thing, in the one moment you say that you barely opened any women (200 is nothing, I do that in a couple of weeks). But then you say that you obviously recognize the "Fuck off" signals.
I meet a lot of women, and for me it is still hard to interpret some of the signals. So maybe it is best to describe exactly what the girls do.

I really think that once you're over the first bump, you'll see that it is possible. Thrust me, I've been there (we all have!). Now I'm dating two beautiful Brazilian girls (HB8+) in Dublin and have a couple of girls in other city's in Europe and California who I visit when I'm there.


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What I would suggest is, go and check for a local lair and go out sarging with these guys. See with your own eyes what is possible and let them help you.

One of my good friends and best wing man, is a very small, underweight, balding, Indian looking guy, without fitting clothing. In Ireland. Thrust me, he is not attractive here. But when we go out sarging, the girls come to him! They open him!

Why and how? First it's social proof, I like to think that I'm good looking, second he is extremely confident. And to girls this is intriguing (and to other guys too btw), because an ugly guy that looks confident, must have something (right, did I mention that he is poor?). The only thing that he actually is good at (apart from sarging) is dancing. When he dances, groups form around him and he can do with the girls whatever he wants. Even if I AMOG him, he still gets the girls.

I would have invited you if you lived near.

So,
1) I don't believe that you are actually ugly
2) Make sure your appearance is good (fitting clothing, stylish) you will feel better already. Take care of your skin too.
3) Go out with people who know Sarging or good friends.
4) Fuck the girls, you are just there to have fun!

Only when you feel confident about yourself, you will see that girls stop saying "No".

Another thing, in the one moment you say that you barely opened any women (200 is nothing, I do that in a couple of weeks). But then you say that you obviously recognize the "Fuck off" signals.
I meet a lot of women, and for me it is still hard to interpret some of the signals. So maybe it is best to describe exactly what the girls do.

I really think that once you're over the first bump, you'll see that it is possible. Thrust me, I've been there (we all have!). Now I'm dating two beautiful Brazilian girls (HB8+) in Dublin and have a couple of girls in other city's in Europe and California who I visit when I'm there.
This is a good idea, hang out with not good looking guys that get women... That way you will change your limiting belief.. Get the book Psycho-cybernetics( i highly recommend it) you have some inner game issues..

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Unless you look like osama bin laden as an arabic man, why the fuck are you saying all women hate arabs? Personally I know some middle eastern women that hate arabs and they themselves look arab.

Dude, it just depends on the girl. You sitting here choding out logic arguing with us. Yes. I am a model. The secret is out. You got me. That's my pick-up mani-fucking-festo.

BECOME A MODEL, tell the girl, you're IN.


No motherfucker. Some girls are just like "oh whatever" and 99.9% of the time I don't tell them I'm a model. Can they assume whatever they want sure, but it does not get me the women. By your logic, I should be closing all the women I talk to. You ask me why I needed pick up? Simple, fucking choice. I was a handsome looking shy ass retard who used to be bossed around by the hottest girls in my high school to the point one girl openly threatened "Why am I even with you? You know I should fuck Kenny....i bet he has a bigger dick than you. You think you look so good well fuck you. ur nothing without me." THIS motherfucker is what motivated me every fucking day. I didn't sit there crying about a girl called Chelsea who was the meanest harshest bitch on the planet.

You say you're in Australia and you can't get ANY women to like you? You're actually telling me, every woman is telling you "please fuck off"? Motherfucker some women obviously say FUCK OFF. LOOK AT my other thread. It happens.

There is something you are not telling us. If you got a beard like a terrorist, then fucking do something about it. Me personally, sometimes I have a beard and I do not give a FUCKKKKKK what the girl thinks. I don't go home crying "but I look middle eastern WAHH"

If not, then what the fuck are you trying to tell us? You are the first man in the world every woman hates...EVERY SINGLE WOMAN? You know I was told I look like the dude from WHITE CASTLE. Know what I said? Want to come back to my place and have some? I f-closed that girl that very night, Caucasian brunette with 36C breasts and a ass that was rock solid.

You met all the women in the world? FYI I look turkish so its part middle eastern and I'm also part Italian, so to hear you say shit like "I look middle eastern (and ur not even middle eastern)" is fucking hilarious.

I know so many countless examples of dudes that are laying girls you'd be jacking off to. And newsflash, 8 of my girlfriends/lovers have been from Newcastle, Melbourne, and Sydney in Australia (2 when I was actually in Australia for 2 months). Last I checked, they didn't tell me to fuck off.

Seek help and stop insulting that green little midget Yoda. I think you are categorizing all women and I'm going to severely fucking doubt you approach any women at all...this much you made clear. I mean you're 40 and only had 200 approaches? I do that much in 2 weeks. Stop categorizing average women to be "Easier" than "hotter women" This is the problem. You lack the core fundamentals of pick up and sorry to say it, you are hellbent on refusing them because you deep down think 'I'm fucking 40...I cant change now...I might as well be alone FOREVER." You have a VICTIM mentality mindset and worse off a women-generalizing mindset based on your experiences for which you cant be blamed. Your brain has taken the experiences you had (mostly bad) and has rationalized it to yourself being the problem rather than the women. Yet again, I don't blame you. You're only human.

But....You don't EVEN want to change. Admit this aspect about yourself. Admit it. Fucking admit it if you are the truth seeker of your own life.
Good looking men who are naturals with women (like yourself), cannot teach ugly dudes like me how to be good with women, because you simply cannot comprehend or empathise what we have to endure. Also you simply do not understand the power your looks gives you in the dating game. Put simply, you won in the genetics lottery, and I lost, but good luck to you.

If you are a male model, then of course you will have mutilple women, that's only because they picked you up, you see one of the biggest myths out there is that men choose women, they don't, women choose you, as a man you simply need to read the IOIs and act upon them.

You blame me for something that I have no control over, and that is how women react to me, or whether they find me attractive. Tell me, how is "game" or PUA material going to help me, if women give me instant fuck off signals and bad body language? (most of my rejections didn't even get to the stage where I asked the woman out for her to say no, I already knew she wasn't interested).

And no I don't have a beard or moustache (I hate facial hair), I shower daily, brush my teeth, use deodorant religiously, and I go the gym 6 days a week, and have a decent fit body for my age. I do admit that I used to be overweight, but over the last 20 odd months I have become a gym junkie and have changed my diet.

As for approaching average looking women, how can I go for hot looking women, when I am not good looking myself?, and have no chance with them, remember you can only aim within your league. Also, I value a womans personality and intelligence than her looks.

I imagine your comeback will be more insults and shaming language, but that's to be expected.
He's telling you what you need to hear. CJH is never one for tact but he knows what he is talking about. I think you confuse resistance with disinterest. Throw this league bullshit out the window. You sound AFC as hell. Leagues do not exist. It's all bullshit disqualifies that uneducated guys get in their heads. I've seen too much proof in my daily life to say otherwise. In fact, one of my friends who is a fat slob dates a girl who is 7/8. My guess is that you go in with this attitude that youre going to fail and you exude it. Women are extremely socially intuitive and can sense your lack of confidence. You may be 40 years old but you are extremely immature and uneducated.
Thanks for the lesson in PUA terminology ie. AVERAGE FRUSTRATED CHUMP, firstly I have never really gone after hot looking women, because they are out of my league, plus I have never really been a looks person, I value a womans personality, integrity and warmth over her appearance. Also, the better looking a woman is, the more of a pain in the arse, high maintenance entitlement princess she will be.

And no I am not confusing disinterest with resistance, when a woman is acting indifferently to you, or is giving you negative body language, it's her non verbal way of telling you to get lost, and that she is not interested. When that happens I walk away, what else can you do?

As for your fat slob friend who is dating a 7/8 looking woman, I bet he is rich, or has some other "hidden advantage", or in reality he was just plain lucky.

Women are not socially intuitive, and this notion that women can detect things about men is total horseshit, because if women really did have this "intuition", then why is the divorce rate so high?, and why do so many women get cheated on, and/or beaten up by their bad boy men?? I have approached women with confidence and a positive attitude, and still got rejcted. And on the topic of confidence, do you actually know what they word "confidence" really means? Well I tell you, and it's real easy: "Confidence is a self assured feeling, free of self doubt that you will achieve a positive outcome, based on PREVIOUS, PERFORMANCE, ACCOMPLISHMENT". In simple terms it means, that you need to have the previous track record of success to have that self assured feeling that is source of confidence eg. why is Tiger Woods a confident golfer?, simple he wins golf tournaments.

And thanks for the "immature and uneducated" insult, which is bullshit, because you don't even know me, nor have you met me.


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Saying that looks don't matter is rather silly. It's mostly used for marketing. The real message in pickup is that bad looks and lack of initial attraction from the girl can be overcome...

...and you can still seduce her if you learn how to have the correct skills and mindsets to get the job done.

It's no secret that the older you get, the more difficult it is to accept new information that may change the way you think. At 40 years of age, this is another challenge you have that most of us younger people don't.

The fact of the matter is, the way you have lived your life and the way you have shaped your mind is antiquated compared to our "technology." If you take a quick look at history, you'll see that the only way to get rich was to have been born into a rich family. There really was no other way. Then, innovative and creative people came along and made new money. They didn't play the old money game and we pickup artists don't play the old dating game.

Growing up in America, I initially had a really hard time with girls because I'm a short Asian guy. Let me tell you, man... short Asian guys are really really undesirable. I've come a long way through the hard work of becoming a pickup artist. I have the expertise, skill, and correct beliefs that allow me to speak the language of women in a way that turns them on to no end. You can have the same dramatic life change if you let go of your old beliefs and open your eyes to how everything we do really does make a lot of sense.

If not, then, well... enjoy your hookers.
With regards to hookers, I will say that I have more respect for hookers than do for most women, because at least they are honest and upfront about what they do, and on the totem pole of honesty and integrity hookers are at the top. And don't most men pay for sex, either directly or indirectly??

My beliefs are FACTS and my real life experiences, not the pop positivity, fake reality that gets promoted by both the PUA and self help industries,eg. you cannot pretend to be the worlds best fighter, when in reality you could not fight your way out of a wet paper bag.

I don't mean to sound racist here, however I have been told that Asian men have a hard time with women, the same way my Arab appearance is an instant deal breaker with women. A friend of mine, knows this wannabe Japanese PUA, and this poor guy approaches hundreds, possibly thousands of women, and still gets nothing, in fact he has been racially abused several times. As a result of all the rejections, this poor Japanese guy is suffering from depression and uses alcohol as his anti-depressant.

As for getting rich, unlike dating/pick up which depends on your looks and often good luck, good business acumen, talent, ingenuity, and intelligence will make you rich.


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What I would suggest is, go and check for a local lair and go out sarging with these guys. See with your own eyes what is possible and let them help you.

One of my good friends and best wing man, is a very small, underweight, balding, Indian looking guy, without fitting clothing. In Ireland. Thrust me, he is not attractive here. But when we go out sarging, the girls come to him! They open him!

Why and how? First it's social proof, I like to think that I'm good looking, second he is extremely confident. And to girls this is intriguing (and to other guys too btw), because an ugly guy that looks confident, must have something (right, did I mention that he is poor?). The only thing that he actually is good at (apart from sarging) is dancing. When he dances, groups form around him and he can do with the girls whatever he wants. Even if I AMOG him, he still gets the girls.

I would have invited you if you lived near.

So,
1) I don't believe that you are actually ugly
2) Make sure your appearance is good (fitting clothing, stylish) you will feel better already. Take care of your skin too.
3) Go out with people who know Sarging or good friends.
4) Fuck the girls, you are just there to have fun!

Only when you feel confident about yourself, you will see that girls stop saying "No".

Another thing, in the one moment you say that you barely opened any women (200 is nothing, I do that in a couple of weeks). But then you say that you obviously recognize the "Fuck off" signals.
I meet a lot of women, and for me it is still hard to interpret some of the signals. So maybe it is best to describe exactly what the girls do.

I really think that once you're over the first bump, you'll see that it is possible. Thrust me, I've been there (we all have!). Now I'm dating two beautiful Brazilian girls (HB8+) in Dublin and have a couple of girls in other city's in Europe and California who I visit when I'm there.
This is a good idea, hang out with not good looking guys that get women... That way you will change your limiting belief.. Get the book Psycho-cybernetics( i highly recommend it) you have some inner game issues..
What you say sounds fine in theory, thing is I don't know, and nor I have seen any bad looking guys who get women, they are like honest politicians, they are very rare or don't exist.

Non verbal displays of female disinterest are not hard to spot, I'd say 95% of my 200 odd rejections did not even get to the stage where I asked the woman out to say no, I already knew she had rejected me in the following manner:

1) She made little or no effort to participate in the conversation, and remember that communication is a two way street.
2) She refused to look me in the eye. ie, she was ignoring me.
3) She gave me dirty looks or the silent SPAM.

To qualify the above, when I have observed good looking men successfully pick up women, the women they picked up acted in a completely opposite manner to the examples I have listed above ie. the women acted friendly, they showed interested and participated in the conversation etc.

With regards to the mutiple women you are dating, hooking up with etc, it was your looks not PUA quackery that scored you those women, don't kid yourself.


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What I would suggest is, go and check for a local lair and go out sarging with these guys. See with your own eyes what is possible and let them help you.

One of my good friends and best wing man, is a very small, underweight, balding, Indian looking guy, without fitting clothing. In Ireland. Thrust me, he is not attractive here. But when we go out sarging, the girls come to him! They open him!

Why and how? First it's social proof, I like to think that I'm good looking, second he is extremely confident. And to girls this is intriguing (and to other guys too btw), because an ugly guy that looks confident, must have something (right, did I mention that he is poor?). The only thing that he actually is good at (apart from sarging) is dancing. When he dances, groups form around him and he can do with the girls whatever he wants. Even if I AMOG him, he still gets the girls.

I would have invited you if you lived near.

So,
1) I don't believe that you are actually ugly
2) Make sure your appearance is good (fitting clothing, stylish) you will feel better already. Take care of your skin too.
3) Go out with people who know Sarging or good friends.
4) Fuck the girls, you are just there to have fun!

Only when you feel confident about yourself, you will see that girls stop saying "No".

Another thing, in the one moment you say that you barely opened any women (200 is nothing, I do that in a couple of weeks). But then you say that you obviously recognize the "Fuck off" signals.
I meet a lot of women, and for me it is still hard to interpret some of the signals. So maybe it is best to describe exactly what the girls do.

I really think that once you're over the first bump, you'll see that it is possible. Thrust me, I've been there (we all have!). Now I'm dating two beautiful Brazilian girls (HB8+) in Dublin and have a couple of girls in other city's in Europe and California who I visit when I'm there.
You don't think I am that ugly?, if you like I can pm you some current photos of me, and then it will be clear in your mind why women reject me instantly.


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What I would suggest is, go and check for a local lair and go out sarging with these guys. See with your own eyes what is possible and let them help you.

One of my good friends and best wing man, is a very small, underweight, balding, Indian looking guy, without fitting clothing. In Ireland. Thrust me, he is not attractive here. But when we go out sarging, the girls come to him! They open him!

Why and how? First it's social proof, I like to think that I'm good looking, second he is extremely confident. And to girls this is intriguing (and to other guys too btw), because an ugly guy that looks confident, must have something (right, did I mention that he is poor?). The only thing that he actually is good at (apart from sarging) is dancing. When he dances, groups form around him and he can do with the girls whatever he wants. Even if I AMOG him, he still gets the girls.

I would have invited you if you lived near.

So,
1) I don't believe that you are actually ugly
2) Make sure your appearance is good (fitting clothing, stylish) you will feel better already. Take care of your skin too.
3) Go out with people who know Sarging or good friends.
4) Fuck the girls, you are just there to have fun!

Only when you feel confident about yourself, you will see that girls stop saying "No".

Another thing, in the one moment you say that you barely opened any women (200 is nothing, I do that in a couple of weeks). But then you say that you obviously recognize the "Fuck off" signals.
I meet a lot of women, and for me it is still hard to interpret some of the signals. So maybe it is best to describe exactly what the girls do.

I really think that once you're over the first bump, you'll see that it is possible. Thrust me, I've been there (we all have!). Now I'm dating two beautiful Brazilian girls (HB8+) in Dublin and have a couple of girls in other city's in Europe and California who I visit when I'm there.
You don't think I am that ugly?, if you like I can pm you some current photos of me, and then it will be clear in your mind why women reject me instantly.
Well yeah, send me a pm.

But really, looks don't matter, it's attitude that does. So your not the best looking guy in the venue, who cares? It truly doesn't matter if you know how to talk, move your body and kino around/with a women.

Look on youtube at simplepickup, these guys are not good looking, they pick up women. Even when they wear ridiculous outfits! It's because they have fun, and are confident.


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Good looking men who are naturals with women (like yourself), cannot teach ugly dudes like me how to be good with women, because you simply cannot comprehend or empathise what we have to endure. Also you simply do not understand the power your looks gives you in the dating game. Put simply, you won in the genetics lottery, and I lost, but good luck to you.

If you are a male model, then of course you will have mutilple women, that's only because they picked you up, you see one of the biggest myths out there is that men choose women, they don't, women choose you, as a man you simply need to read the IOIs and act upon them.

You blame me for something that I have no control over, and that is how women react to me, or whether they find me attractive. Tell me, how is "game" or PUA material going to help me, if women give me instant fuck off signals and bad body language? (most of my rejections didn't even get to the stage where I asked the woman out for her to say no, I already knew she wasn't interested).

And no I don't have a beard or moustache (I hate facial hair), I shower daily, brush my teeth, use deodorant religiously, and I go the gym 6 days a week, and have a decent fit body for my age. I do admit that I used to be overweight, but over the last 20 odd months I have become a gym junkie and have changed my diet.

As for approaching average looking women, how can I go for hot looking women, when I am not good looking myself?, and have no chance with them, remember you can only aim within your league. Also, I value a womans personality and intelligence than her looks.

I imagine your comeback will be more insults and shaming language, but that's to be expected.
He's telling you what you need to hear. CJH is never one for tact but he knows what he is talking about. I think you confuse resistance with disinterest. Throw this league bullshit out the window. You sound AFC as hell. Leagues do not exist. It's all bullshit disqualifies that uneducated guys get in their heads. I've seen too much proof in my daily life to say otherwise. In fact, one of my friends who is a fat slob dates a girl who is 7/8. My guess is that you go in with this attitude that youre going to fail and you exude it. Women are extremely socially intuitive and can sense your lack of confidence. You may be 40 years old but you are extremely immature and uneducated.
Thanks for the lesson in PUA terminology ie. AVERAGE FRUSTRATED CHUMP, firstly I have never really gone after hot looking women, because they are out of my league, plus I have never really been a looks person, I value a womans personality, integrity and warmth over her appearance. Also, the better looking a woman is, the more of a pain in the arse, high maintenance entitlement princess she will be.

And no I am not confusing disinterest with resistance, when a woman is acting indifferently to you, or is giving you negative body language, it's her non verbal way of telling you to get lost, and that she is not interested. When that happens I walk away, what else can you do?

As for your fat slob friend who is dating a 7/8 looking woman, I bet he is rich, or has some other "hidden advantage", or in reality he was just plain lucky.

Women are not socially intuitive, and this notion that women can detect things about men is total horseshit, because if women really did have this "intuition", then why is the divorce rate so high?, and why do so many women get cheated on, and/or beaten up by their bad boy men?? I have approached women with confidence and a positive attitude, and still got rejcted. And on the topic of confidence, do you actually know what they word "confidence" really means? Well I tell you, and it's real easy: "Confidence is a self assured feeling, free of self doubt that you will achieve a positive outcome, based on PREVIOUS, PERFORMANCE, ACCOMPLISHMENT". In simple terms it means, that you need to have the previous track record of success to have that self assured feeling that is source of confidence eg. why is Tiger Woods a confident golfer?, simple he wins golf tournaments.

And thanks for the "immature and uneducated" insult, which is bullshit, because you don't even know me, nor have you met me.
You are so misinformed it is ridiculous. I am sorry you have rejected or feel like you have been rejected by women your entire life the way you have. But dont you think if you are the ONLY one who feels this way that there might be a reason? My friend is not riich, he works at a fucking hot dog stand for a living. He has no advantage other than he has a great personality and loves himself for who he is. There is no "luck" in attraction. I'll tell you right now, all the women Ive been involved with were better looking than me. Does that mean I've gotten lucky EVERY SINGLE TIME? No. Because there is no luck.

A woman is only out of your league if you put here there. I am the same exact height and weight as you by the way so don't even use that as an excuse. If you are at least relatively fit, dress well, groom well, and carry yourself well then you are NOT ugly to women. And yes they are socially intuitive. The reason they are with these douchers is because they think they are the shit and women are attracted to "the shit". You think you are worthless and hate yourself so how can you expect a woman to love you if you dont even love yourself?


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Saying that looks don't matter is rather silly. It's mostly used for marketing. The real message in pickup is that bad looks and lack of initial attraction from the girl can be overcome...

...and you can still seduce her if you learn how to have the correct skills and mindsets to get the job done.

It's no secret that the older you get, the more difficult it is to accept new information that may change the way you think. At 40 years of age, this is another challenge you have that most of us younger people don't.

The fact of the matter is, the way you have lived your life and the way you have shaped your mind is antiquated compared to our "technology." If you take a quick look at history, you'll see that the only way to get rich was to have been born into a rich family. There really was no other way. Then, innovative and creative people came along and made new money. They didn't play the old money game and we pickup artists don't play the old dating game.

Growing up in America, I initially had a really hard time with girls because I'm a short Asian guy. Let me tell you, man... short Asian guys are really really undesirable. I've come a long way through the hard work of becoming a pickup artist. I have the expertise, skill, and correct beliefs that allow me to speak the language of women in a way that turns them on to no end. You can have the same dramatic life change if you let go of your old beliefs and open your eyes to how everything we do really does make a lot of sense.

If not, then, well... enjoy your hookers.
With regards to hookers, I will say that I have more respect for hookers than do for most women, because at least they are honest and upfront about what they do, and on the totem pole of honesty and integrity hookers are at the top. And don't most men pay for sex, either directly or indirectly??

My beliefs are FACTS and my real life experiences, not the pop positivity, fake reality that gets promoted by both the PUA and self help industries,eg. you cannot pretend to be the worlds best fighter, when in reality you could not fight your way out of a wet paper bag.

I don't mean to sound racist here, however I have been told that Asian men have a hard time with women, the same way my Arab appearance is an instant deal breaker with women. A friend of mine, knows this wannabe Japanese PUA, and this poor guy approaches hundreds, possibly thousands of women, and still gets nothing, in fact he has been racially abused several times. As a result of all the rejections, this poor Japanese guy is suffering from depression and uses alcohol as his anti-depressant.

As for getting rich, unlike dating/pick up which depends on your looks and often good luck, good business acumen, talent, ingenuity, and intelligence will make you rich.

Being Asian is NOT as much of a disadvantage as you think. I have two friends who are half asian and LOOK asian and one dates a 9 and the other is married to an 8. You really need to stop trying to bottom line this stuff just because you have been scorned by women or at least think you have.


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What I would suggest is, go and check for a local lair and go out sarging with these guys. See with your own eyes what is possible and let them help you.

One of my good friends and best wing man, is a very small, underweight, balding, Indian looking guy, without fitting clothing. In Ireland. Thrust me, he is not attractive here. But when we go out sarging, the girls come to him! They open him!

Why and how? First it's social proof, I like to think that I'm good looking, second he is extremely confident. And to girls this is intriguing (and to other guys too btw), because an ugly guy that looks confident, must have something (right, did I mention that he is poor?). The only thing that he actually is good at (apart from sarging) is dancing. When he dances, groups form around him and he can do with the girls whatever he wants. Even if I AMOG him, he still gets the girls.

I would have invited you if you lived near.

So,
1) I don't believe that you are actually ugly
2) Make sure your appearance is good (fitting clothing, stylish) you will feel better already. Take care of your skin too.
3) Go out with people who know Sarging or good friends.
4) Fuck the girls, you are just there to have fun!

Only when you feel confident about yourself, you will see that girls stop saying "No".

Another thing, in the one moment you say that you barely opened any women (200 is nothing, I do that in a couple of weeks). But then you say that you obviously recognize the "Fuck off" signals.
I meet a lot of women, and for me it is still hard to interpret some of the signals. So maybe it is best to describe exactly what the girls do.

I really think that once you're over the first bump, you'll see that it is possible. Thrust me, I've been there (we all have!). Now I'm dating two beautiful Brazilian girls (HB8+) in Dublin and have a couple of girls in other city's in Europe and California who I visit when I'm there.
This is a good idea, hang out with not good looking guys that get women... That way you will change your limiting belief.. Get the book Psycho-cybernetics( i highly recommend it) you have some inner game issues..
What you say sounds fine in theory, thing is I don't know, and nor I have seen any bad looking guys who get women, they are like honest politicians, they are very rare or don't exist.

Non verbal displays of female disinterest are not hard to spot, I'd say 95% of my 200 odd rejections did not even get to the stage where I asked the woman out to say no, I already knew she had rejected me in the following manner:

1) She made little or no effort to participate in the conversation, and remember that communication is a two way street.
2) She refused to look me in the eye. ie, she was ignoring me.
3) She gave me dirty looks or the silent SPAM.

To qualify the above, when I have observed good looking men successfully pick up women, the women they picked up acted in a completely opposite manner to the examples I have listed above ie. the women acted friendly, they showed interested and participated in the conversation etc.

With regards to the mutiple women you are dating, hooking up with etc, it was your looks not PUA quackery that scored you those women, don't kid yourself.
Then it might be the opener, the way you're moving around her, the way you look at her or talk, there are so many more variables here, it's impossible to judge where it goes wrong.

But lets say it this way, if a creepy dude (that I don't want to hang out with), who is way overweight, horribly dressed (almost as if he just walked of a building site), non shaven, on the look of it, bad hygiene. Can get a kiss close, you must be able to do so too.

Really, join a local lair, or find local wing man, even if they are better looking, they will be able to help you, tell you what you could do better.

Or put your phone (with camera) in the front pocket of a sports jacket or shirt, record your encounter so we can comment on it.


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You are so misinformed it is ridiculous. I am sorry you have rejected or feel like you have been rejected by women your entire life the way you have. But dont you think if you are the ONLY one who feels this way that there might be a reason? My friend is not riich, he works at a fucking hot dog stand for a living. He has no advantage other than he has a great personality and loves himself for who he is. There is no "luck" in attraction. I'll tell you right now, all the women Ive been involved with were better looking than me. Does that mean I've gotten lucky EVERY SINGLE TIME? No. Because there is no luck.

A woman is only out of your league if you put here there. I am the same exact height and weight as you by the way so don't even use that as an excuse. If you are at least relatively fit, dress well, groom well, and carry yourself well then you are NOT ugly to women. And yes they are socially intuitive. The reason they are with these douchers is because they think they are the shit and women are attracted to "the shit". You think you are worthless and hate yourself so how can you expect a woman to love you if you dont even love yourself?
Kudo's for your last line! That sums it all up I think.

Btw @Yoda, I hope you understand that we are not attacking you, just trying to convince you not to give up and that there is hope.


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For your information, I am not a burn victim, a 2ft midget and I definitely don't weigh 400lbs, I am 5'7 tall, weigh around 74kg (163lbs), and I go the gym 6 days a week, plus I play soccer, so I am better shape than most men my age who are usually very overweight or obese. However I am bald (I shave my head), and although I am an Italian Australian, I mistaken for an Arab, and I know for a fact women despise Arab looking men.

If you are a model, then why did you turn to the PUA community/industry?, your looks alone would guarantee you success with women.

I find extremely hard to believe that any woman would find Brad Pitt ugly given how ultra picky modern women are these days.

What exactly is this "inner game"?, and perhaps I do have a bleak view of the world but that's because I have approached women only to be greeted with "instant fuck off signals", dirty looks and the silent SPAM. And before you accuse me of being too picky, I rarely if ever approach hot looking women, as they are completely out of my league, in the past I have only approached average to moderately attractive women.

I have experimented with some PUA material, but I would never waste my money on any of those ridiculous boot camps, and what I discovered is that at best PUA material may make women slightly intrigued by you, but not attracted, there is a difference.

How did I "fail" at pick up, when the dating game is systematically rigged against ugly dudes like me?
two words:

Omar Sharif.

(names not words, i know. and he's egyptian too but didnt he play an arab in lawrence of arabia? women loved that guy.)
I am sorry, but picking a famous, wealthy actor is a bad example, when you are rich and famous women don't care what you look like.
alright then. i shall use me as an example. i am the product of a short (5'4) indian man and a beautiful, tall (5'9) german woman.

is that a good enough example to shatter your erroneous world-view?


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