Okay, so this is gonna be kinda long,

I'll start with some background info on myself, and stuff and then I'll talk about my actual problem. I'm an average looking guy, 5"10', slim build and I'm 18. I don't really dress all that excitingly I suppose, mainly a plain jumper with a plain shirt underneath, and black or grey trousers. Sometimes if it's warm I don't wear a jumper, and might wear a funny shirt if I'm feeling like I can carry it for the day, sometimes I prefer people not to ogle at my shirts. I've sorta been on and off this PU stuff for about 18 months now, and I've definitely changed my personality since I learned of it. I used to be an AFC - big time, I suppose I still am to a lesser extent, since I still haven't had any more experience with girls than I did back then, but I've definitely learned how to talk to girls, and my early game is pretty solid.

Here's my problem. I can easily get the female to male attraction, and my sticking point is still when it comes to reciprocating that. I do reciprocate, but I always go overboard. I end up in the friend zone, even though previously, I had been the one in control, the woman always ends up friend zoning me. I know exactly why, it's because of two things, I'll escalate kino fine, to the point she's hanging on my arm or stroking my face, and I'll just be brushing it off and acting like it's nothing, and then it comes to the point where I know I have to kiss close, but I can never find a way to do it. I never have, and at the moment I feel like I never will, I just can't seem to get the right moment. So my first question is how do I get to this place where I can just lead a girl away, continue to game her and then kiss close? The main thing is for me as well though is that I usually do day game, actually, I don't think I've ever done night time sarging. The other thing is that it's sometimes in a school environment, and that's really difficult to pull a girl away from her friends in for me, I don't know why. Any tips on that?

So now I'll tell you this story about this girl I've been talking to for a while. (Since February) I really had very little interest in her, and I guess she just became attracted to me with natural game. Anyway, I guess she started with heavy IOIs, and I sorta brushed them off at first, but then after about a month I started to realise that I kinda liked her. So I've been sorta keeping up the natural game thing, cause I figured that's what she likes, and it's worked fairly well, but the thing is that I just haven't been able to kiss close yet, and move anything on, Kino is strong but I just can't tell whether she's too comfortable with me to move onto a stage where Kino is escalated any further. Another issue with the whole situation was that about two weeks ago we were chatting, and she told me that she liked this other guy. That just jumped straight out to me as though she was dumping me right in the FZ. She's also been calling me "nice" recently. I'm really just a bit confused if anything now. What do I do? Where do I go from here? Should I just tell her I like her and try to kiss close, or is it too late for that? I'm at a loss here, please help.

Stop worrying about how to kiss close, you're putting kissing on a higher pedestal then it should be.

You don't sarge at night? Why don't you go out one night and just lean in to kiss anything that shows you attraction; you'll get rejected about 50-60% of the time, but you'll realise kissing really doesn't matter.

How often do you speak to her? Freeze her out for double the usual time you would, then out of the blue turn up to meet or ring her to meet, before you do anything just say; this has been weighing on my mind heavy and kiss her, then decide where to go from there.
Judging by the kino you're getting you wont be rejected even if she doesn't want to kiss you. And that assertiveness will help you get out of the AFC and friendzone.

Do not apologize after kissing her either, just say, wanted to do that for ages; now what do you wanna do, coffee or bowling? or whatever you usually would do. Make sure it's moving location though..

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Sarging is like a boxing match, you size your opponent up, throw in some jabs to open proceedings then explode with everything you've got.

All right, I guess I just need to go for it then, the other thing I need to do is find a way to get this girl on her own, the only time we'll ever really be alone is while we're walking somewhere together, but never just sitting alone in a secluded place, I can't really just go in for a kiss in front of all of our mutual friends which is when we're normally spending time together.

Yeah you've got a point in the mutual friends bit, but it shouldn't be a problem.

Well you could always set something up, like ask for advice on clothes or something and go shopping, then when you meet kiss her straight away..

Or next time you're walking somewhere just kiss her straight off, be like hey one sec have to do something, kiss pull back look into her face, don't say anything then kiss again..

I've only ever done that once, 2 years ago with a girl that was definitely into me, so it should work.. But can't promise.

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Sarging is like a boxing match, you size your opponent up, throw in some jabs to open proceedings then explode with everything you've got.

Okay, thanks, I'll take that advice and put it to use. I guess if I really want it to work, I just have to go for it and see what happens.

Thanks again.

Keep me posted.

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Sarging is like a boxing match, you size your opponent up, throw in some jabs to open proceedings then explode with everything you've got.