I'm rather new to all this and for my first Sarging session I just plan to open sets, build attraction & N Close. Still working on my DHV's. Trying to think of a way to wrap it all up in funny paper right now.

Maybe it would be best if you didn't try and complete a game at first but practise and master the lower levels. Go out, open chicks, DHV, Neg the target, Kino, N Close. If something goes wrong Eject.

Hmmmm, thats actually some pretty sound advice.. But, thats just not me, i need 2 have it all down b4 hand..

But im gona give it try :p What are the things u guys plan 2 accomplishe in a set with a girl when u enter?

You are beginning to understand...

An analogy I think of is this.. I use to do a lot of artwork in MS Paint and I got really good at it, so if MS Paint is the tool I became very skille in it. While Photoshop is a Much much more powerful tool, I didn't know how to use it so there was no point for me to I could do better work w/ ms paint. Eventually I learned photoshop and acheived even more remarkable results. It's better to stick to the tools you know, until you learn how to approprietly use more powerful ones, otherwise they will ultimatley be useless. A powerful tool in PU is cocky/funny but if you dont know how to use it you'll either come off as an ass or as the comedian. Same w/ running the Cube.. if you run it at the wrong time (like in a crowded bar) you'll be looked at as weird and having no gauge on social situations.

a rule of thumb I like to keep in mind rather than thinking "ok now ihave to dhv and then i have to neg her" cuz i did that and its a pain in the ass.

rule of thumb is this, if you aren't having fun, then you're prolly not doing a good job picking her up. Pick up is FUN. And when you have fun she has fun. If you're thinking about your next move, she can sense that a mile away. Girls are smart like that.

You dont know what a good pick up feels like until you feel that vibe and connection and that vibe and connection is prolly the most addicting feeling on the face of the earth.

I was out the other nite w/ a great girl and i had one of the best times ever and so did she and I thought about why I have sooo much fun w/ this girl and why I'm sooo natural around her and its because of this vibe. I didnt realize what it was until after I heard David DeAngelo talking about it.

Maybe it should go under is own topic but I think one of the "secrets" to pick up is how to create a connection and vibe with other people, the kind that make people want to be around you...not only is it the most satisfying to the girl its one of the most satisfying and addicting feelings for the guy too.

Lol, on that feeling, I envy u magnum =/ I never had any interaction go THAT well with a stranger, that I feel SO good after ^^..

U have any word of advice on how 2 create that vibe? If I dare ask of u, can u tell me about the pu, I meen what "linear actions" did it have?

Every guy needs to feel that vibe at some point or another. Once you feel that vibe, thats when you see the light at the end of the very, very, very, very long tunnel.

Looking forward to covering the distance

Yup.. heres the background.. this girl came into my office she was there to meet w/ clients so I excused myself from the meeting I was in to talk to her haha.. I remember us really locking eyes (eye contact is really important) anyway it was mostly small talk about where she went to school bullshit really. Actually to best describe how it went down think about when Hitch meets that reporter, he talks to her only for a few mins the first time and then walks away and then contacts her a few days later (at this point she already feels some sort of comfort cuz she met he from before) I did the same thing, I told her I had to get back to my meeting. I emailed her a few days later on her work email and picked up the conversation where we left of by telling her about a friend that we had in common. I went w/ my friend then and had a quick bite to eat w/ her where it was pretty much me non stop busting her balls and making her laugh. Then the most we did was text or email back and forth mainly cuz she has a bf (which she seemed to go out of her way to say how things weren't good and she wished she was single)

ok this brings us up to last night... I needed a date to a business party so I called her up and insisted she went w/ me for "networking purposes" understand this is the semi professional/flirty relationship we have built to this point. I actually just wanted her to come cuz I wanted to make sure I showed up to this thing w. a gorgeous girl on my arm.. It sorta helps in business

So at the party their were like black jack tables and shit manned w/ dealers and stuff.. so she sat w/ me and we drank our cranberry and vodkas and I made sure the primary attention I paid to her was to sorta tease her and bust her balls a little. Meanwhile I made sure I networked w/ all the other business men their (leader of men attraction switch). there was a TON of kino all night.. then later I walked her to her car where we talked for like 15 mins or so and I did the cube which was DEAD on! (it usually always is) she def had the Doggy dinner bowl look after that hahah. Then she gave me a hug goodbye.. This hug wasn't just a friendly or professional hug it was a full out both arms around my neck kinda hug. about 15 mins later after she left she text me and thanked me for the night and told me how much fun she had. she actually ended up calling me again at like 2 in the morning but thats another story.

Either way as you can see here there really wasn't any magical moves or routine, well except the cube, but rest of it was the connection she is a really fun girl that dishes the shit back and thats part of the vibe we have.

I really wouldn't doubt that we get together after the bf is out of the picture.. but w/ the holidays here thats not gonna happen right now so I play it cool until then.


The other thing about this girl is she has a really strong frame.. shes very very smart and really understand the game.. lines, games and routines she will rip apart she see's through them. In fact one cool thing about our vibe is what her and I talk about has nothing to do w/ the words we are saying.. theres like underlying meanings to everything we say to each other and her and I know both knows this but no one around us does.

One thing I liked about the book "The Art of Seduction" is that it isn't a one method fits all type thing, it teaches you how to identify different personality types and play to each one of them differently.

Open
time constrant
Disqalify myself
Neg
Dhv story
Games and fun routines (cube, palm read..)
Qualify
Tell a varnability story with elements of mistery
Touch when u get the chance (this is instinctiv so no prob)

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Ohhhh, such a lovely story ^^ All it needs is her losing her crystal slipper and your vehicle 2 turn into a pumpkin runin' on mouse power, after 24.00 and MEGAsolid game! :p Just messin with u man, rly cool calibration for knowing when 2 stop the routiness, and when 2 use the cube.. knowing myself I would probably, b like:" ok wer alone I'm gona use the cube.. but shes talking [5min later].. ok, I'm gona do it know.. oh, but how do I transition [5min later]..OK NOW I'M GONA USE THE GOD DAMN CUBE!!" And end up using the cube in a room full of people.. (<= rly happend once) =/ ..Anyways thx man, viva la calibration factor! ^^

think about using the palm reading as C/F instead of just kino. the palm reading gag can be used big time. yeah, you can act like you're a palm reader.. which might work on some chicks. ...but man you can do so much more with it other than just touching her and getting her comfortable with touching you.

Here, use this, but use it late in the conversation.. it can take you to the place you want to go:

do the palm reading gag for a couple of seconds.. but quickly move to the next step...
pick a line on her hand thats pointing at you
say "and this line represents the man of your dreams", give a cocky smile
and follow the line with your finger until she realizes what you mean.

you can do so much with this afterwards. such as... act like you're moving in for a kiss. if she's going in for the kiss, do the most unnatural thing. Pull away. Say something like "i guess you'll just have to find him(man of her dreams).." with a grin. thatll drive her crazy. If she doesn't pull you back in for the kiss, then you can say something like "i have esp too... the man of your dreams was actually here... i saw him earlier... he was wearing..." and obviously describe the clothes that you have on. Look down at your clothes to make it super obvious when you do it. You've gotta have a big smile. she *has* to know that you're playing her for this to work. its a part of the reason why she'll want to make out with you for the rest of the night.

You could go for the kiss and then after the kiss you could say the "i guess you'll just have to find him" line. That'll drive her crazy, too.

dunno, just thinking off the top of my head.

Ye, thats cool, I think its a pretty good way 2 kiss close, but I was thinking more of useing the palm read and cube as soon as I get them in isolation, to bumb up the atraction, and insert some cocky funny lines in it, and for it 2 turn into a K close it means I would have 2 use other ways of DHVing b4 the palm read =/

Haunt , Dude i think that absolutely genius. Will try.

Maybe someone can help me out here? I see alot of people saying disqualify sometime soon after the opener. This confuses me to some point. I read the game and style doesnt talk about this in the book as far as i know. I checked definitions in the back. So im guessing its not MM. Maybe wrong , either way , where it comes from doesnt matter. What matters is why is it being used , what are the intended result of bringing yourself down? Is it a push-pull thing using disqualify with DHV?

Also What other forms of DHV is there asides from DHV stories? Cube and palm reading and games etc... Are these way to build higher value?

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seems good
but im a little curious, how do you disqualify yourself after you open? im interested in trying but i dunno how i would do it

Well I think of it this way and correct me if I am wrong:

Its more about disqualifying her or yourself eather way to lower her difenses or even tease. Not only you.

Like for example: you say to her after a while talikng and a good vibe of course that you couldn't be her boyfriend or she your girlfriend because you/her have too much in comon. It all depends in the delivery but I guess you could disqualify eather way.

Its like giving mixed signals so you don't make it obvious you after her. It also can be use to kinda tease her or push-pull I guess.

Hope that helps