You guys are giving bad advice, so its only natrual to think you don't have alot of muscle. I will continue to think this consider the bad advice I keep reading.

You can build muscle on a defciet, also by taking in carbs your increase your insulin levels. Insulin blocks HGH(human growth hormones) which your body creates during a workout and while you sleep. So if you eat high carbs after workout or before bed your limiting your growth...

As for your body can only burn fat so fast, that is true if you don't get your micros. L-Carnatine will allow your body to burn fat alot faster. Also as long as you get plenty of protien your body will never burn muscle. The amino acid your body burns for energy is glutamine, which is the most common amino acid. So up your protien cut your carbs and you will not lose muscle.

I got real science and experience on my side, your giving bad information.

Really? You can't even spell "you're" correctly. Say whatever you want, you can't spell worth sh*t and that devalues your opinion, no matter what that opinion is.

And by the way, your grammar is equally as bad. "I got" should be written as "I have got."

Normally I would leave it at that, but there is a teachable moment here: Faust23 has not developed sufficient life skills, and I will illustrate how that is bad for him and others who act like him. This is an obstacle that we will have to get past if we want to become the men we want to be.

Faust23's immature and emotional responses to a mere difference of opinion shows how far he has to go to be a PUA. I doubt he gets out much because if he did he would have had to deal with other males not agreeing with his opinion and he would have developed a more effective way of dealing with it other than constantly insisting that he is right.

Consider this situation: the setting is a club, average night, average crowd. Faust 23 is talking to a mixed set. The subject of gaining lean mass comes up and none of the guys agree with Faust23, however, Faust23 refuses to move on. Over and over again, he says he's right. He doesn't even care about the person who asked the question anymore, he just keeps insisting he is right. Nothing else matters to him now other than he being recognized in some way that he is right, and he ALWAYS has to have the last word, because that is how the emotionally immature mind and low self esteem personality works.

If that was a real scenario, Faust23 would have completely blown himself out with the set, and ultimately, the entire club as well. Not only would the women no longer be attracted to him, but they would be repelled by him because he has not demonstrated alpha characteristics, in fact, quite the opposite. He has shown how needy he is because he will not let the matter go. He has shown a major weakness; that he can be led into an emotional response, in other words, he can be easily manipulated. He has shown he can't negotiate, compromise, or even consider a difference of opinion. He has shown that he is unwilling to learn or adapt, and that's a skill that is becoming increasingly important in this fast-moving world. These are not traits that lead to success in life or a well-paying, satisfying job. He would have also repelled the guys he was talking to, and he would be unable to expand his social circle. Everybody else in the club would see him arguing pointlessly and shut him off at his first attempt to communicate with them.

Faust baby, if you can't deal with a difference of opinion effectively here, you can't, or haven't, dealt with it in the real world.

Nobody likes talking to a cry baby who insists that they are right....even if they are right. I'm not saying you are correct, but I am saying you have a long way to go before being a PUA, and perhaps you should refrain from sharing your opinion until you get some real world experience, because any you may have is not enough to help you to navigate through life successfully.

There are tons of articles that irrefutably prove that absolute necessity of consuming carbs post workout. Insulin spiking is totally irrelevant in people who dont use insulin intravenously as an anabolic aid, insulin will never be spiked to a level that will have an impact on anabolism unless it is used as previously mentioned. And upping your protein and cutting your carbs is what every cutting diet does, and a universal consequence of losing weight is that you will lose muscle as you lose fat, unless you are dieting extyremely slowly and intelligently but even so it is just as how putting on fat is a consequence of putting on muscle. Your body needs calories to produce something out of the stimulus that exercise creates, it cant create something out of nothing.

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As everyone understands the concern was what guidelines we people had for his bulking system. Although it is possible to build muscular through a nutrient lack, the 'bulking' way to develop is to eat more than you need for your primary servicing.

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hey man
no reason to go on bulking if you r goal are the muscles
go to bulking only if you want to gain weight(aka muscles and fat)

gaining muscles is a very slow process,only a few pounds per year,if your diet and work out are perfect,
anyway

a simple plan is this

diet :
2-2.5 grams protein for every kilogram of your body
4 frams of carbs - -
2 grams of fat - -

daily calories intake mut be from 2500 to 2800
if you still do not gain,rise it per 500 cal

workout :

3 times per week weightlifting
1 time cardio

It's best to keep it simple starting out and if you want to gain lean mass, then doing it slowly is the only way if you don't want to raise noticable body fat.

Since every body is different. You will need to experiment on yourself to find out what works best for you gaining muscle, being in a good mood, and what can fit best on your schedule and lifestyle.

Here is guide on how to self experiment in regards to food and training. http://www.precisionnutrition.com/inter ... appendix-a download the free pdf and you'll learn how to experiment on yourself and that no one program works the same for everyone so it's almost pointless to ask what the best method is cause only you can determine that by trying some of the popular methods out there and modify it to your needs. The exact same thing goes for PUA methods. Funny how everything is related in life.

Everybody's body reacts differently. But generally:

If you're a naturally big guy who isnt that lean and you want lean mass, def do cardio. But none of that homosexual long slow distance shit. SPRINTS! 50-100m. Just pound those muscles. Stick to a 8-10 rep range, with supersets at a lower weight as your cardio (generally). If you're a skinny guy who's naturally lean, don't bother with cardio because those supersets will be your cardio.

The best way to bulk and trick your body to adjusting to heavier weights is long negatives on weights that you can barely do a positive rep on. On your "rest" days, do yoga. Not only for the recovery and the flexibility, but also to expand the muscles.

Make sure you work your squats and deadlifts because those are classic mass builders and great for holistic strength.

Eat well and plentiful, don't follow any faggy diets, and get proper rest.

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Iv done a heap of reading on the topic as Im after the same result as you. Ie less fat more mucsle.

the best way I found of explaining it is that when you are trying to loose weight and gain muscle it is like trying to catch two rabbits at the same time. you end up catching neither, reccomended was to eat big in lean protiens lift heavy in 8-12 sets X 3 then when you are at your target size then loose fat. as muscle burns fat this is easier this way around.
you will loose muscle on calorie deficit dieiting

I base everything around protien. and use other things to get the vits and minerals. as basically I just dont want protien to be in deficit.
anyway I just look to get my protien requirement from from food rather than pill or powder. that way I can offord to eat better and healthyer and theoretically its better for me.

cheap protien
Eggs 8g in an egg roughly
mince
steak
chicken
fish

the good thing about building muscle is that you dont really have to agoninse over the fat content to the enth degree
just watch the fat content in the mince, i eat venison mince due to me bieng a hunter and I have it, but beef is good too.

just by making a small change I am allready putting on good muscle
I think I may even have lost a little fat(even tho I didnt mean to)

I believe you just need to make life changes that suit you. so that they are life changes not 3 week diets, or 3 month muscle gain then give up.
find tasty high protien low fat meals that are easy and you like
cut the crap empty foods down to a minimum IE icecream

Actually, when actors needs to put on mass for a role, ice cream is their secret.
Keep in mind that your muscles are mostly water and glycogen, so carb up and drink water. Keep everything running properly. Also the carbs help process your protein.

One of the guys on my training staff was a bodybuilder, qualified for NPC Nationals. He used to mix gatorade into his protein along with waximaize or maltodextrin.

Maltodextrin isn't too $$$ - we're talking 12 bucks for a tub of CytoCarb.

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I´d say it depends on your commitment. If you want to build lean mass and also try to reduce some body fat go for metabol diet. It requires you to have carbs and protein around training and in the morning, to reload your stores and build muscles and protect them afterwards in the evening and at night with protein and only fat, which is also good for hormone levels.