why dont you pay and find out

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I'd rather go out swinging than strike out looking.
A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste.
What I say when I see her is what I'll say.

You don't understand the concept of how a membership for a forum works. THIS IS THE PREVIEW. Now imagine THIS, but less cluttered, less people so you build better relationships, some highly interesting topics because most of the people in there put a large deal of effort into their posts, added content like the photo gallery, the chat, the downloadable guides, special events, personal mentors and more.

When you take a car for a test drive, you usually don't get to take it home, park it, see how it starts up in the morning, see how it fits into your parking spot at work, etc, you get a taste and that's it, well this is your taste, but luckily it doesn't only last 15 min.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

Quoted for truth.

This is a free forum with some amazing members and resources. In an ideal world people would donate and contribute just because they're thankful that such a place doesn't have a membership charge, but unfortunately that isn't so.

The PMZ is exactly as advertised. It's a secluded place at the top of the forum with guides, competitions, resources, etc. It's pretty fun to put names to faces because a lot of the PUAs here post girls they've gamed.

So to answer the original question, I'd say yes, it's worth it.. there's a lot of cool stuff there and it's a one time fee, so it can only get better. If nothing else this is an awesome site that deserves the small donation.

But a least I actually got to test the car. Forget it man the way you guys are so hard pressed not to reveal and secrets makes me think you all want to get paid bad and its not worth it

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Its getting to the point were im quoting myself Thug, i think maybe you over looked or ignored this...the matter in PMZ is intellectual property, it cannot be returned. Thus no freebies from there. Simple as that.

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"Be the same, only better."

You're right, they are secrets sometimes. There is some good info in there and there is a lot of great content that a lot of people love and think is pretty amazing. YOU DON'T NEED TO BECOME A PMZ MEMBER!!! Honestly, if you DON'T want to get that content, then just hang out here and we'll enjoy the benifits we get because we want it bad enough to either stop bitching about stuff that doesn't matter and make quality posts, or we pay the money to learn from people that some people consider talented in a more close knit setting. This is either a priveledge, or something that you WANT bad enough to make small one time payment in order to fund the people that put hard work and dedication to making things work around here. Some people put so much effort into this place that it becomes their job and their only means of income and you are bitching because they want to put a roof over their head and have food in the freezer. SO, if you really find that to be offensive, that these people want to make this place that great, then don't join the PMZ, there is TONS of great content here in the free area and all of us that enjoy being in the PMZ post here quite regularly, to help guys like you, for free.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

Yes, actually, there are people on the forum that have paid to get into the PMZ. And, from what I see, they like it.

And, honestly, the only members that I've heard say that they don't particularly like the PMZ as it is, are the members that have been around BEFORE their was a PMZ.

I've paid to join the PMZ to improve my game. The chat is the most valuable part so far. I have scanned through a lot of the posts and there are some good things in there that you would not find on a public forum. Some things that are planned in the future like the contests and meet ups sound really cool. I think the money is a small investment especially when compared with other PUA sites that require payment... So far it has been worth the money and it can only improve from here!

and thats the difference, this is not a car, this is a lifestyle, later down the road you are going to figure out that the benefits outweigh the costs. There is so much more to this than just picking up women, secrets or not.

but since we are using analogies im going to throw my own out there. i am finishing up community college and have to move on to a university, i have a choice to go to a state college or an ivy league school, what is the difference? the price is the difference, but what are the benefits? if i apply for a job with an degree from an ivy league school, you bet your ass im going to get it over another guy from a state school. and you know what? later down the road the income and a fabulous lifestyle is waiting. i dont have to make that decision this second but i have to think about it. yeah its alot of money now, but in a few years the benefits WILL outweigh the costs

now this is just a measly sum of change, i dont know the dollar amount, but its no ones choice but yours, and fighting to get something free that some of us worked hard for isnt going to cut it

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I'd rather go out swinging than strike out looking.
A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste.
What I say when I see her is what I'll say.

I wasn't asking you anyways!!! you probably got in for free for just being on this site for so long... I can rent a movie for 3 days and then take it back and decide if i want to buy it later if it was that good will i buy it.
Even though i took the rented movie blockbuster can't erase my memories of the movie

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I'm sure there are plenty of great things on PMZ, but it's not for everyone.

They may need it to improve their game, however I find it more beneficial to actually go out infield and waste that money on something else. Not to mention a lot of the information found within that forum can be found elsewhere.

But PMZ is a very valuable resource to those that need it.

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Yes, my name really is Ray Casanova

"With ignorance and arrogance, success is assured."

You all?

I get paid nothing to divulge my knowledge or opinions.

I've just added the mentorship feature and now writing up a post to describe it. The PMZ is still in beta but moving along nicely.

Undoubtedly, the PMZ will continue to offer ever greater benefits/features as time progresses. There are many things lined-up. I’m locking this thread, so if you wish to discuss the pros and cons of the PMZ further, do so in the ‘Get Me a Mentor’ thread in the PUA Lounge.