Pretty simple, my friends know i have been reading the game and now into this whole pick up artist thing now. Its been about a month now since i really started. I started reading some things and sparking up conversations with girls in line, at the bank and at the gas station. Even pulled a couple numbers. Nothing panned out but my confidence started picking up. I started on this forum and read some useful things. I read about the game, so i bought the book which really changed my mindset. Went out sarging for the first time 2 weekends ago, hit on some biker's girlfriend and she was into it, sweet talked a bartender into giving me a cool hat some guy left behind when he got kicked out for fighting and then number closed a HB8.5 by using negs, false time constraint and just more to the point.

Anyways last weekend things didn't go so well, got turned down for a date on friday night, ended up going sarging with my cousin but didnt sarge cuz my cousin got arrested 15 minutes into the night. He totally got screwed, long story. The next night went out sarging with some old friends with no game, and we got no action. I know it's because I didn't do things right and were with guys that looked to predatorial, and a few other reasons.

So my buddies are all up on my ass saying what i am reading is all bullshit and just talking all kinds of crap, ridiculously. I never asked for there input, but to make things worse they are talking like they are master pimps or something, which they are not.

I went to hang out with a girl from my class HB7 on sunday, which was cool, i was getting IOI's and all, just felt uncomfortable with the kiss close because of the circumstances and i have to admit my inner game confidence came down a bit. Not sure if it was hearing all the negative shit from my friends, or if i was just bummed cuz my cousin got crazy charges against him and i didn't pull when i went sarging.

I'll tell you what though, the HB8.5 from the weekend before is now totally into me because i played my cards right, and I still think i am doing awesome with the girl from my class, have dates set up with both. my confidence now is even higher than before. (my confidence came up on my own after a few days, and I made the other dates happen, not that i got a few dates and my confidence went up as a result)

There are 2 reasons for this post, one to tell everyone not to listen to those negative influences in their lives, by telling my story and to ask you guys for some advice on what i should do about the friend situation. I am really really tired of their negativity, this isn't the only thing. Should i talk to them about it, and if i do what should i say? should i start making new ones, any suggestions? or should i just drop their asses completely, this is something i have been considering for a while, just have been not very confident with myself that i let it continue for fear of being lonely. Now that i am better socially i don't need them as much.

Dude I don't know what to do from a PUA point of view but one option would be to tell them to stop being ass holes. Then rremind them of some embarrassing incident when they tried something new and it didn't come off too well. Then forget what they say, as I'm pretty sure when you're PUA skills develop they'll be begging you to help them. At that point do what you want.

thats one of the struggles of starting out pua, dont worry your not alone, i had friends where, i wouldnt SAY i was reading the game, but i would try and help them and tell them the attitudes and things they should be having, and theyd just be totally negative, soo negative, and they werent the ones getting any action either. They would say things like "nahhhhhhhhhh mannnnnnn, you dont do that, nahh, nope" and then complain on nights when your just chilling with them "mann theres no girlls heerree mann". Negative when you try and help, negative when there in the low's cuz they didnt take your advice, and its bad cuz people will tell you to "dump these friends" but if there your good friends you cant necisarlly do that, you just gotta ride it out man theyll see evantally and catch on, if there still negative about it then lol thats there problem

thanks guys,

It's kind of funny, last night one of my best buddies actually called me up and said "hey man I've been noticing some changes you've been making in your life and I think thats pretty cool." He still doesn't believe in the whole pua thing, but thats ok. He noticed my recent little bit of success with girls but thinks it has more to do with the jui jitsu class I am taking than the pua ideas i've been reading. He just an AFC though. This is one of my best buds and wouldn't ever consider cutting him off, I just refuse to go sarging with him because he makes it miserable. As for the rest of the friends, still don't like their negativity and I think I will just stay away from them for a while until my confidence gets to the next level. You guys are probably right, they will have to come around, and if not, thats their problem.

Any ideas where I can meet other cool guys to go out sarging with? My brother just got his ID in the mail, so now he wants to go out sarging with me, He is a typical AFC and I'm pretty new and been doing all my pick ups solo. Very new and bad at sarging with another, What are some things I can do to get the ball rolling and be efficient for us both?

u can try and the "meet up and wing" section of this forum

i havent had success with it yet, but there doesnt seem to be many sargers in my city - u might have better luck


and the good thing about the concepts of PU is that it helps expand ur OVERALL social circle - including guys
like style said in The Game - picking up girls is a great way to bond with guys u dont know

and tryin to intro ur bro into PU
i find that helping people with what knowlege i already have is a great way to grow in PU

in person is obviously much more effective than in forum

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I'm also pretty new to the game and I have friends like that to. They are always saying this stuff will never work and how they bed women all the time doing things totally opposite of these techniques. All I've ever saw them pull where maybe 4's and 5's lol. Disgusting!

Here is what I think: I think your friends are just jealous or thats how they run their game. I have this friend makes fun of everything I wear and how I match my clothes and how I like to style my hair. He isn't much of a ladies man at all but from my understanding his game is to put my style down to other girls to try and boost his own... which IMO he has no style and when I tell him certain things he should know when picking out the clothes he wears... he just gets defensive and rags on me even more... Of course, he ends up getting the negative effect of his trials and it results in him getting even less action and he somehow draws more attention to me... somehow. Either way, I don't really care anymore because of the fact that we dunt hang out as much, but when I read your post I thought of how it seemed to relate a little. People like to put down other people because it makes them feel equal or superior. Perhaps its the same in your case? Just some food for thought. Enjoi.

Sounds to me like your friends are a bunch of AFCs. Think of it this way, whatever they say is coming out of the mouth of an AFC. Of COURSE it's wrong, that's why they're AFCS! They don't understand and until they get their heads out of their asses they never will!

Would you even consider taking advice or consider listening to comments that are so obviously wrong? Hell no, laugh it off and let them watch you hook up with an HB so they can go home and hook up with themselves. Who's the real winner?

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Hit them in the face and get new friends. They're just AFCs trying to make themselves feel better by seeing you feel worse than they do. Hope everything goes well with your cousin. My brother has the same kind of shit going on. Don't let it get you down. If it hasn't already been suggested, I would look into some of the self hypnosis, cause that is seriously one of the best things you can do for yourself. It will boost your confidence to an extreme and you can brush off whatever anyway says when they spit their ignorance. Shalom.

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