The girls don't respond or its hard to keep a conversation going. Has anyone else had any better luck? Do you guys prefer not to use dating sites? I pretty much try to stick to the free ones.

Dating sites work well, but only for about 20% of guys that know how to run game on them properly. So yes you have to have a profile that is attractive to woman and know how to correspond in an attractive way with woman.

So you need to learn how, try material here, as well as youtube, as well as the internet. PM me for specific recommendations.

^^ is right

but you have to be carefull, there are alot of fake profiles! :S

Soncheese x

Alright, much appreciation to you guys.

But hmm i honestly believe girls on dating sites have issues and are not the type of girls you want!

Had 2 past experiences with dating sites. 1 was a freak who had depressions problems, anger issues and 23 exes and her pictures were a lot better then she was in real life.

The other girl actually was really funny and all that but she is chubby and also not as on the pictures.

Now i could try for a third time but i seriously believe you don't meet quality girls on the internet, there on dating sites for a reason. so i gave up finding girls on dating sites and stick to bars and clubs where you know what you get look wise.

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Do not make external things like girls define your happiness or you will live a harsh life. Keep doing what you love and keep improving as a man.

Dating sites are miserable. I have met a few ladies from them and like the previous posts, they are often very short and can't keep a normal conversation going. Most of the free sites like Plenty of Fish are absolutely garbage and it's a challenge to really meet anyone on the pay sites (from what I hear)

your sample size is too small and you probably have poor internet game. To extrapolate your poor results and make those broad sweeping statements is ill-advised. As I said, the majority of men on dating sites miserably fail, due to lack of online game, so your results are not surprising per se.

Go to JSmooths online sargeing section, there are plenty counter-examples to the ones you list here.

All good points. I'll be sure to check out that sargeing section.

Btw Furiox, I like that motto you have there. "Treat a girl like gold and she will treat you like shit but treat a girl like shit and she will treat you like gold."