My wing and I have pretty good game, but we've only been doing this hardcore for a few months, and have been debating how to take on the numerous mom and daughter sets in the mall. Yes, we ID girls after picking them up at the mall It also would have helped to hone this when we sarged a few college graduations.

We've asked mom and daughter sets if they're sisters and done some banter, but this doesn't feel optimal. We're leaning more to opening the mom, and then focusing on the daughter. Do you isolate when you go for the number if your wing occupies the mom? How about isolating 2 sets in general during day game? We've been getting their numbers with both girls present, but starting to think we should do more isolation even in the grocery store with 2 sets. "Let me borrow your friend to show her the fat free cheese I just found."

I hope that isn't a pun.. If it is it made my eyes bleed.

Just got back from another sarge/errand run. I live this stuff, so in response real quick, I wouldn't phrase it exactly like that, but with a build up on health conversation (I'm super buff, so interjecting suggestions on cheese, cliff bars, and frozen yogurt goes natural in my grocery store conversations), good body language and a smile, I think it's fine. I've done this with single sets and done well. What we do with 2 sets if a health conversation thread progresses is usually rummage through their carts and the girls ask a lot of questions. Just think isolation is the next level.

Now back to my thread. How about those mom and daughter sets?

I actually saw AFC Adam do a mother and daughter set once and as always watching the master at work was an incredible experience. I missed his opener, but it seemed like he was gaming the mom throughout 90% of the interaction, keep in mind that the mom will be the leader of her daughter, if the alpha female laughs then all the others will too. In the end he DHVed enough to convince the mom that he would be an asset to her daughters life, so the mom volunteered her daughters number without Adam even asking for it, no isolation necessary. Again Adam is the master and what works for him might not work for everyone, this is only a story to show what can work.

Hope this helps

Thanks for the response. This makes a lot of sense. I think I'll definitely focus on the mom as much as possible and just keep calibrating it from there unless I see another avenue of approach. I will PM you when I have my first mom daughter lay report ready

Adam Lyons is a beast I went to his bootcamp in NYC, and he had me open a fugly girl while her legit friend went to the bathroom. Worked like magic until I ignored the fugly too much. Your suggestion is basically the same concept, except I should be applying this night game strategy to this particular day game scenario as well.

One of my other sticking points is that I'm much better calibrated for hot girls than uggs, so I'm working on coming off as less cocky when I speak to uggs, but moms are just sweet hearts, so this should be easy.

When i opened a daughter-mom set

heres a stone cold killer line i used that worked like a charm

"i can see your daughter definitely got her looks from her mom"

After that the tables where turned and the mum tried to game me instead

Soncheese x

Nice line!

Jay thats funny, ive been to most of Adams NYC bootcamps for the last like year or two so ive probably met you, its always refreshing to be around him, i feel that going back helps me to refocus myself on the basics.

I couldnt agree more with what your saying. Ive found the same thing, when talking to the uggs you basically just need to be nice, build comfort but dont break rapport... its not necessary (unless you want to close her too). I often open the uggs and once they're being super friendly (which they usually will be) then use them for an introduction to her hot friends.

And moms are usually sweet hearts, unless you do something really stupid, they'll never be rude. I think the health food conversation is an awesome DHV that you can use because you can add value to the mom/daughter by teaching them about how to get healthy. Im sure its probably lead you to a lot of easy number closes by just saying something like "if you have any more questions feel free to txt me" or something along those lines

Why isolate? The mom knows what is happening and the first thing the daughter will do when you leave is tell her mom that she gave you her phone number.

Additionally, by isolating it can look to them like you are afraid of the mom and what she would think.

Personally, I'd ask them both for their numbers (jokingly with the mom, of course).