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any suggestions where i can find different routines for DHV, openers, mid game, and kiss close techniques that are not so AFC and more reliable in the field. I haven't been super impressed with some of the stuff people have been writing on the forum. Am i too AFC to judge at this point? or should i just try whatever i read in the field and do trial and error?
The stuff on here is golden. It's taken my game to another level. I had 9 years of PUA knowledge but no results until I found this. I joined in February 2012. I'm starting to see results now only 3 months later. Before no number closes, no kino, no IOIs and no confidence. I have yet to have a snl, but that's because I've been focusing more on LTR and dating. Now everything is coming to me. The best thing is you can ask questions and get advice from people who've actually done it before.
People debate what's the best way. In my opinion everything works for someone, so it's about finding what works for you. Look at the poster's reputation points and how long they've been a part of the forum and how many votes they have. That's how I find who I listen to. If they have like 2 votes and 500 rep points I generally assume they don't know shit, made a fake profile and gave points to themselves. Not always true. But let's be real, this is the internet. That shit happens.
2 posters on here I really respect are sli'n'slide and pumpington. If they give any advice listen to them. Their stuff has saved my ass more than a few times.
The nice thing about this forum is that if someone's advice sucks usually someone who knows what they are talking about will call them out. There are alot of people with shitty advice, but usually if you ask a good question, someone will give you a good answer. Try everything. That's the only way to know for sure if it works. My friend likes to go really direct and gets results. I get results going indirect, but I try both. When it counts though, I do what works for me.
DHV is weak. Use body language and non-verbal communication to demonstrate higher value. She's going to lose interest and walk away during a DHV story. Work on posture, eye contact, smiling, leaning back, and emitting a vibe with your body that demonstrates these 3 things: confidence, relaxation, and you don't give a shit. Eliminate nervous ticks and things of that nature. You can get some good books on body language at your local library. I suggest watching the latest James Bond movies and trying to emulate that... but FUCKING smile. That's the only thing the new bond does wrong. It's fucking AFC to try to look all hardcore like that.
Openers:
1. Hi (best one)
2. Nice purse, what do you have in there? A machine gun?
3. You looked bored so I thought I'd come entertain you.
4. (At a clothing store) Hi, I need a woman's opinion on something. I have almost no fashion sense. I had an ex-girlfriend who was almost model attractive and had really good style, so she used to take me out shopping and dress me up. You look like you have a good sense of style. Wanna help me find a new wardrobe? (Works every time. If you fuck this up you have some other issue like body language or nervousness).
5. My friend and I are having a debate and we need a woman's input. (Ask any question about dating or relationships or girly stuff and make the friend sound like a total AFC. Agree with whatever she says and say that's what you've been trying to tell him unless it's totally stupid. Then call her on it and tease her about it. If the friend's with you have him assist you)
6. Jealous Girlfriend: same as 5 but specifically about how to deal with a friend's jealous girlfriend who gets mad that he keeps pix of his old ex, not nudie pix but still...wtf?! She wants him to burn them... is that crazy? they've only been dating a week or two. (women love to give advice on relationships)
There's more, but I don't have time.
Mid Game
Look up push pull on this forum. Basically the concept is you focus on attraction and then switch to building comfort. Keep this going and you should be getting IOIs. Make sure you are using kino the whole time. Watch how she responds for IOIs. After about 3 IOIs move to a new location like another club or another part of the club to isolate her. If you did everything right up to this point she should be like putty. Kiss close. If she hasn't totally melted by now and isn't ready to be kissed you fucked up the mid game. Solid mid game is the key to getting a kiss close. I'm not going to give details on that because it's an area I'm still working on, but check out other people's advice on it here.
Kiss Close:
This is what I use in the clubs. It's straight out of The Game. This is a conversation between Mystery and Style on pp 29 early in Style's sarging days. So far it's worked for me. If I get a bad reaction I just go back to push pull and try again later without the lines. I just escalate physically watching the IOIs (slowly) and go for it. If that fails, move on and find someone else. Clearly she's not into you.
[I was in high spirits in the limo to the next bar. "Do you think I could have
kissed her!" I asked Mystery.
"If you think you could have, then you could have," he said. "As soon as
you ask yourself whether you should or shouldn't, that means you should.
And what you do is, you phase-shift. Imagine a giant gear thudding down
in your head, and then go for it. Start hitting on her. Tell her you just noticed
she has beautiful skin, and start massaging her shoulders."
"But how do you know it's okay!"
"What I do is, I look for IOIs. An IOI is an indicator of interest. If she
asks you what your name is, that's an IOI. If she asks you if you're single,
that's an IOI. If you take her hands and squeeze them, and she squeezes
back, that's an IOI. And as soon as I get three IOIs, I phase-shift. I don't
even think about it. It's like a computer program."
"But how do you kiss her?" Sweater asked.
"I just say, 'Would you like to kiss me?'"
"And then what happens!"
"One of three things," Mystery said. "If she says, 'Yes,' which is very
rare, you kiss her. If she says, 'Maybe,' or hesitates, then you say, 'Let's find
out,' and kiss her. And if she says, 'No,' you say, 'I didn't say you could. It
just looked like you had something on your mind.' "
"You see," he grinned triumphantly. "You have nothing to lose. Every
contingency is planned for. It's foolproof That is the Mystery kiss-close."]
-The Game, pp29
For inner game learn some meditation and NLP. If you have itunes you can find free podcasts on these subjects that are pretty good. Don't waste time using NLP on women, use it on yourself to improve your confidence. Once this is done on the inside it will show in your body language more naturally. David DeAngelo has alot of stuff that is pure crap, but his stuff on using NLP to change yourself changed my life. NLP plus practice is the way to go as far as I'm concerned to improve inner game. Read Double Your Dating.
CHAT
This thing is taking my game to another level.