I notice JSmooth has permanently closed his online game thread, with a weird long rant, that doesn't make much sense, but it'd be cool if the forum can appoint someone else to take over from him.

Well the good news is Hydro1 we won't be deleting the all the posts. I can just about garauntee most of the situations with online game are covered via the 90 pages in the posts. However, I agree it would be nice to have someone appointed for you guys to do online game questions. Even though personally its just regular game its just typing it through a computer instead of a phone via text or calling. And yes it really is that simple.

The purpose of my long rant that doesn't make much sense is this. Pickup the way its designed is designed to fail to get men to relationships with women. If you want short term stuff with women pickup works. It can also help build qualities certain men may need or be lacking. Pickup is also designed to be one huge marketing scheme starting with some of the original gurus to now.

There are lots of ways to get a girl I don't think anyone would argue. Its my honest opinion that the way "most" pickup is taught dooms a relationship from forming based on the things they discourage like dishonesty and manipulation.

Anyways... I second your motion to find someone else to do an Online Game ask section. God Bless.

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Yes, trying to be something you are not, will only work short term, if at all. Be who you say you are at all times. But learn how to be who you are.

Thanks for all your help Jon and for all the great tips you always give in your posts. I got a lot out of Mark Manson's 'Models' book, that shows how superficial pickup is, as taught by most methodologies, but I don't think most guys (at least those over 30) would reject the idea of a serious, long term relationship.

Being 30 myself I just feel like I've personally wasted a lot of time doing what I thought the community expected of me instead of what I wanted for myself. I came here for a relationship... I got caught up in the methods, practicing, and the idea of getting a lot of lays to gain experience when I should have stuck to my original goal, taken what I needed, then left.

My thing against the majority of pickup is you are asking yourself to be someone who you aren't at your core. We can build this "avatar" to pickup women and "fake" it until we make it...but when we do make it we loose sight of who we were. There is no depth to us, we become as fake and shallow as all those people we picked up and associated with...thus many PUAs can't convert from pickup to relationship.

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Very true. I've been at it for a while and I realized the same thing. The connection I made with women were rather superficial and the mentality of women are disposable kept me from develop any sort of deep stable connection with them. I tried to be someone else instead of myself.

Nowadays I have completely different point of views about the community. It's just like play RPG video games, you have your core character and class. You level up, you acquire new spells and equipment and become stronger. You don't change your class or core character in order to defeat the boss. That's what I want to use picking up for. To improve my core personality, strengthen my best traits and become more confident and successful. Like Jsmooth said, the "why" is always what drawn people to you naturally. You live in your own reality.

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Very true. But, I do believe, especially for a guy who was locked up in a long-term contract, when you boil this down to its essence, PUA principles are quite valuable. If you recognize them for what they really are (I mean, if you read all the texts, Xuma, Gambler, Durden, etc.) and you excise all the BS and the formulas, what you really glean from it all is a way to be confident and secure in yourself. I agree with J that for the most part it is fakery and smoke and mirrors, but the value comes with extracting the key ideas of being a man. It has been quite invaluable from that aspect. It's also been terrific to become part of a supportive community.

I mostly agree with what you said although the cookie analogy didn't make sense to me.

Pickup obviously works because it's psychology but the mental effort to act against ones natural programming is only doable in the short term. It's not practical in the long term. The only people who can manage that kind of thing are sociopaths and serial killers. Relationships require instinctive behavior. That's why serial killers are more likely to seem normal and have families than the opposite.

The best chance for relationships is to utilize knowledge in small steps to nudge yourself into better thought patterns. You can't fix yourself overnight and expect your subconscious to accept it. Also why governments are beginning to utilize nudge theory to subtlely alter peoples' behavior.

I've been a JSmooth fan for a few years and this isn't the first time he's had a pick up 'crisis of faith', so I greatly sympathise. We always need to have other goals, passions and interests outside of pickup.

It's definitely good to take a break from approaching, but if this happened because of a relationship breakup, or he wanted to get serious with a lady and she declined to, I totally empathise.

There's lots of good literature outside of pickup, on how to find, have and maintain a serious committed relationship and Sinn has put out a couple products oriented to people seeking this (like Breakthrough Comfort and Destination Girlfriend),
who don't have the time for doing pickup, as it can be very time consuming.

Thanks for posting KL70! There are multiple reasons for closing the thread. One of the main ones is I feel we've addressed every general pickup situation from openers, to closing and in between with Online Game.

The truth of the matter is online game is or should be a VERY SHORT part of a pickup. You are online just long enough to make her comfortable so you can get to a number or preferrably straight to a date. Although there is a lot that can go into it. I just don't feel there is a lot more new information I can offer this part of pickup in addition to that, I have some new approaches to doing things now.

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JSmooth, I have enjoyed reading your posts. I am probably older than most people on these forums. I found the community because I left a 18.5 year marriage and nothing in the dating world was the same. I use much of what I have learned here and will admit that it is hard to transition from "Game" to "Relationship". I play the game for the hook-ups, but the relationship is really what I am seeking! I wish you well in your new journey! Peace...

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