So I number closed 2 good friends, they both seem into me but I have been giving game to the one I fancy a little bit more. They are both on my course and they aren't English (Italian and Greek), they got me to agree to help them out with learning English (threw in a bit of flirty resistance), in exchange I got one of them to help me out with a subject on the course, because her score was so good on our last test and mine wasn't (genuinely need the help). I'm pretty sure they want to tutor me together, however I want to turn this tuition into a day 2 somehow.

How should I go about it?

text them both, and state "I'm going to setup a competition for one to one tutoring, when you've both competed, the one that's performed the highest will be treated to a NO expenses paid drink at the nearest bar."

My reasoning and understanding, I need to act interested in both, but I'm using the theory of showing interest in active disinterest but throwing loads of kino, a great push-pull on the Italian girl. and romantic notions in there somehow. Whilst favouring the one I fancy most. What I'm really trying to avoid, as Tyler Durden put it so well, the neediness and pederstool-ing of the one I'm interested in.

So do you guys have any pointers?

I'm thinking, I'l call the italian tonight, and just ask her if she wants to meet outside my uni next week. I'll try and steer the conversation away from inviting the friend. And then if it all falls into place, and I see her next week, if she asks I'll just say like "oh I thought you were going to invite her? You're her friend!" (in a joking/teasing way).

Then my plan is to do some work with her for an hour or so, then take a break for a coffee, then go for some more emotional connections, romantic and then K close at the end.

My questions are now:

1. Is trying to avoid talking about inviting the friend a good idea?
2. I need some good pointers for phone game. like a good method or structure.

Pedestal the friend. Slightly. It's key that you don't overdo it. This will make the other girl jealous whilst making the friend slightly turned off, or seeing you as more of a friend. This also allows you to break rapport with the girl you want when you neg her or such. For example, You'll probably need paper. So, go and get yourself and the friend some paper, but tell the girl you're interested in that she can "get it herself." This must be done slightly playfully, you're going for cocky/funny here. Do this about 5-10 times, over small, insignificant things. Then start turning up the heat. During the negging and breaking rapport, you should be using non-sexual kino, after you've repeated the process 5-10 times, you should start to use gradually increasing sexual kino. This is combining the effects of the verbal/conversational game with the effects of your kino, so your verbal game should start to heat up slightly before your kino, only slightly however, so that you can asses her comfort with you being sexual. If she seems uncomfortable with it, stay as sexual as possible and let her get more comfortable with you being sexual. Once she starts reciprocating on the same level as you, you can move up a level.

Good luck, Hope this helps,


Vicious

I don't know about this man... You can keep track of who you're putting on a pedestal vs who you're not and how you're supposed to balance these two girls during the whole interaction?

Seems a little unrealistic and overcomplicated.

What I would do, is pick the one I like more, and send her a text (or call her) saying "Hey, let's go out to ice cream tonight" and when she says "Oh is [friend] coming?" you say "Haha no, I want this to be just us."

And then its a date!

So as soon as you see her, you touch her a bunch, so shes positive its a date, and then you kiss her.

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think my way will work.

Or that, haha, I guess I'm just overcomplicating it.

Wicked guys, as it turns out vicious way is naturally me any way and I did exactly that. It worked great!

The dilemma I'm having now is, she has a long distant boyfriend back in Rome. I mean by the end of the day which turned into a night of just me and her, we have a lot in common, so it's become a little bit more than just pick up as I could definitely see myself with this girl. there was so much sexual tension flying around but I couldn't kiss her, it's so against my morals messing with other guys women. But to be honest the guy is a fucking idiot to not move over with this girl. So yeah I caught oneitis and I may have regressed into mAFC.

Where do I take it from here? Ive just started reading even more about boyfriend destroyer tactics.

I'll lay some point out:
-she wanted to teach me
-she bought me drinks and was happy not to get any In return
-her body language was suggesting she was very interested
-she not once mentioned her boyfriend, until I initiated the boyfriend destroyer tactic.
-she's shy, and she gave me the proper Italian or European good bye (kiss on both cheeks) I've never seen her do that to any guy before or her friends.
- Also my tube station is a lot further than hers, she wanted to walk with me to mine.
- she wants to do some more studying today

I'm tempted to scrap my morals and potentially go for the sweetest kill of boyfriend destroying. But if a relationship ever started I'm not sure I would want to while shes In this other LDR, especially as she's going home to Rome for a month in July.

Either kiss or move on. There are no other options.

I guessed this would be the outcome, I fucked up. I should have gone for this kiss, there is no way that moment is coming back. And just to be clear there is no getting out of the "lets just be friends" zone. So it's game on for me (on other women). I'm willing to accept there's no chance of a PU here now, and that anything left will have to happen after July, even then it's probably not possible. I don't suppose there's a write up on here for getting out of the LJBF?

well, the way it is, is she will either cheat or she won't cheat, there is only one way to find out

if you go to the midd game section there is a post that is stickied at the top that says straw man, this is a boyfriend destroyer, use it the day you plan to sleep with her, previous to attempting to deal with lmr

anything past that is as simple as expressing a lack of caring that she has a boyfriend, you handle the objection like lmr, just agree and continue, she says I have a boyfriend, you say ok, then continue like she never said anything, worst case she stops you, and most likely as long as you don't push it she will simply be flattered and lightly brush you off, if that is the case just tell her to let you know when she is single, then stop hanging out with her until she does so, every now and then touching base with her so she knows your alive

Thanks pumpington, that's good advice, and I will do that. There's a few things I need clearing up, which conflicts with this advice. The friend and I, actually get on really well as friends, I don't really have attraction for her, she's just a really cool girl, like we've been studying, out drinking, and just chatting, we get on really well basically. I didn't know until now they are like best friends, always together hanging out. The fact that if I freeze out the interaction with the one I'm interested in will probably freeze out the friendship with the girl I'm actually friends with.

Also another question, with the boyfriend destroyer or (the straw man used here), how does this relate to a long distance relationship? My assumption is she needs the time with the boyfriend to see his flaws to tear him down herself with the hype you planted on him. In a long distance thing this is not possible, because only they will only meet every 3 or 4 months?

Thanks again.

listen man, straw manning something is simply blowing something up so that it's flaws become more apparent, it is not voodoo, a girl cheating is the same if it is long distance, or she is married to the guy, doesn't matter, totally subjective to the girl, some girls will cheat on their first boyfriend just like they cheated on the last one, and they get excitement out of cheating and actively pursue finding guys to cheat with, other girls will never cheat during their whole entire lifetime, not even if it was with the best looking richest guy out there straw manning the shit out of her, for a girl to be seduced, she has to be willing to be seduced, it is not magic

as for your friend, if a girl won't be your friend because you tried to seduce one of her friends then that girl is not a very good friend, is she?

Well I'm pretty sure she's not the cheating type, I think a kiss is the farthest she will go. I may have not come across clearly, but what I meant the friend part about if this happened:
I would end up hanging out with them both at the same time, (more often than not) rather than just the friend. What this means is I won't actually be staying in contact every so often, I would see her, 1-2 times a week.

Then why would you bother? Why are you going to damage a healthy relationship just for a kiss?
Pumpington is still correct. You have fun with this other girl, why can't you invite her out as a friend?

If you feel like you need them as a package, you should have invited your target out one on one like I said. By lumping them together like this, you lose your ability to interact with them independently. Your intentions with each were separate, so they deserved separate occasions.

When you first posted this, even with the LTR, i could have seen an innocent first date that ended up in passionate sex and it would have been awesome. By delaying things, you're trying to build more of a friendship. I recommend keeping her as a friend, but turning your attention elsewhere romantically. It's useful to have flirtatious friends, learn the difference between serious and flirty involvement.

EDIT: Pumpington used the word "friend" 4 times in one sentence.

Well it was just an assumption for the information I've acquired about her over the week, she told me she was in a long distance relationship before she went in to her new one, which then turned into a long distance one after a year. She didn't cheat on that guy while she started building foundations for her new one, it took her 3 months to end the old one. I would assume she wouldn't do the same (cheat that is).
Unfortunately, I already arranged plans before your message appeared on here. Had I have taken action where I isolated my target and when there was a genuine connection, emotionally and fulfilled the sexual tension I had created, things might be different now, probably a lot more complicated. She's only just turned 20, at this age you have no idea of the concepts of love or relationships, I'm saying this at 22, I would estimate 9/10 long distance don't work, only based on what I've seen and heard of course. I'll get a second chance, I'm pretty sure of that, but it won't be a for while, a long while at that. But I should make clear I'm not waiting on it.

Anyway I number closed a "model" or so she claimed, probably amateur. I'll do things right this time.
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Haha nah it was just a really confusing sentence.