so, i started reading the game on Tuesday of this week. I liked it, but it intrigued me to further investigate. I only got a 100 pages in and started researching online, finding forums like this one and other sites. which lead me to find mystery method the book... which as of last night i was through chapt. 5. So i go out confidently to open a few sets and just get some practice in. I'm at a party before i go to the bar and successfully open one set for the whole of of one min. before they cut me off to go to the bar. I realized it was like 11 so i go to the bar short after. Now heres where some advice would help.

How do you open in a dynamic SPAM. The bar i was frequenting its THE bar for my college on thursday night that any1 who is any1 goes to. although theres a vibe running through it like everyone knows each other and i'm just an outsider. So i try to open a few sets but no openers work, i tried jelious girl friend, jesus, sex and the city, and one i got off here about a friends needy girlfriend, it was like no one cared about what i had to say... even when i was going in with a strong energy. Also, everything i'v learned in MM, its almost like its a static non mobile group. How can i demonstrate higher values to the group and neg the girl, if every1 just wants to dance and people from the group are constantly coming and going in a few min. period.

i eventually go to another bar one that was more conducive to a MM SPAM... i open a 2 set with an original opener(thank god) and start talking to these two girls, the targets friend was giving me a constant shit test and i eventually run ashore with a lack of material and go for the ESP 1 - 4 and then 1 - 10, and the targets friend calls me out on the game... asks if i ever read the game because its directly out of it... how am i suppose to react to this, i mean my first night out trying to implement this stuff and i get called out on it, i simply asked the target it her friend was always this rude and just kept going but i mean, it knocked me off my horse and shattered my confidence a little.

so basically my first night out was a huge failure, nothing went right, and i am now questioning if i can ever impliment any of this....

ya its important to try and learn original stuff this day and age. if they call you out on it you can respond with stuff like "oh your lesbian? i didnt realize you found picking up women this interesting?" or something to that extent. i mean... just be comfortable with yourself and they will too.

You: "yeah i really liked the book and how his inner personality fully came out after he learned how to be social. what did you find best about the book?"
Her: "i just liked his whitty remarks... blah blah"

i mean... if you make it a situation where they call you out and you think your a pervert for reading the game, then you probably are in the sense that thats the vibe youre giving off. if you play it off as you thought it was a good book and lead you to better things in life, then you seem like a well rounded great guy that women would be comfortable around. i mean... c'mon man. they know youre hitting on them. at least they know that you are trying to make the whole experience more fun. just enjoy yourself, have fun, and be comfortable. women will follow

"Huge Failure??!?!" Shit Wip! How many sets did you open??!?! sounds like a lot. Most guys can't get the balls to do one approach when solo. Sounds like a solid B+ for effort!

You need to adjust your expectations a little. Just b/c you've watched Michael Jordon's ( /Mystery's) game doesn't mean you can go play like him your first night on the court.

This stuff takes time to develop into smoothness. Yeah, you didn't close, but shit keep up the practice.

-Hyde

well i attempted to open maybe 5 or 6 sets, i only successfully opened three, but the best of ones was at the other bar which i felt was a better SPAM. I'm hitting a few parties this weekend, which i feel might be an even better place for a newbie. We'll see how that works, i've also worked out a few new original openers that naturally flow into some DHV's if i hook the group.

Just make it a "Crash and learn" find out what didn't work for you and change it.

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I would just like to say wip is the man. He didn't even finish the book and BAM, started approaching sets. Your already way ahead of most beginners. While you continue to do research things will make much more sense since you already have a decent amount of experience.

well done, cheers

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well, i still haven't finished MM, i've gotten through attraction, i love everything i've read in it... I feel like to close a girl im going to be very good at attracting her. So i've started looking into other books and once i get pretty good at opening and attracting is when i will return to mystery. I just started Double your dating, which i think is great for mind sets, and picked up jugglers book which is next in my reading. Im still in college and i'm in a fraternity, tomorrow night i have a social with basically the hottest sorority on my campus, so i'll have plenty opportunities. In addition Tuesday night we have a Christmas date party, so more mental motivation to at least number close one of these girls so i can have a date. But still my initial question...

In a dynamic SPAM what are better ways to open and keep attention so u can attract, i mean girls are drunk, their friends are drunk theres guys distracting them(hitting on) while your opening. I still haven't come across anything very good or relative to this area so let the ideas flow

and dynamic i mean a loud, very crowded bar

*Sigh* wip wip wip wip wip....

In the game of sarging, there is no such thing as failure.... only lessons. Keep reading, researching, and practicing! Rome wasn't built in a day.

Also, don't limit your sarging to parties and bars. Practice talking to everyone, no matter who they are! That way, you will become comfortable and confident when you initiate conversations with strangers. The more comfortable you are, the more comfortable they will be, and therefore no awkwardness.

For example, as I go through my daily routines, I make it a point to have at least 1 conversation in every setting I'm in. If I'm getting on a bus, I'll talk to the driver, or whoever is next to me. If I go to a grocery store, I'll ask someone for some help deciding between which gallon of milk I should buy or which brand of toothpaste they prefer. And if I go to a store where a salesperson asks, "May I help you?" I might say "Oh hey_____ (read nametag)! Just the person I was looking for! I need you to help me pick out some underwear..." By the way, I also find it helps, when talking to someone who is working, to say their name if they have a tag on, and to make some physical contact, like a hand on the shoulder. That way, the attitude is more friendly, and less professional.

This will help.

-Z Dubya

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I MAKE NO EXCUSES FOR MYSELF.
I MOVE THROUGH THE WORLD WITHOUT APOLOGY." - Ross Jefferies

i like that alot, actually i'm going to set it as a personal goal to talk to atleast one person in every place that i'm in during a day...

what about social proofing? or whatever thats called lol.

If it's a student bar then they are probably not out to "pull" as such but probably just to socialise, hence the clothes that they wear are more casual.

as for the "dynamic SPAM" I suggest investing in a megaphone, or going to a more "static SPAM", eject to a more spacious venue with a lower person per square yard ratio

This sounds a bit like my first sarge but trust me it gets better just keep it up

As for the openers you sound like you doing well for your first sarge if you can try to make them about things which are really affecting your life this helps like " what Christmas present should I get for my mum she’s so hard to buy for" and I just got my ear pierced so I ask "what do you think of piercings on guys"

For dynamic SPAM (as you put it) one answer (there are many answers) is learn to dance and enjoy your dancing this is a instant DHV (often sets will open you!)

Also I agree with z_dubya there is no such thing as failure this is all practice which you can learn from

I have just started to keeping a diary so I can turn the things that happen to me in real life into DHV spiked stories (which will mostly be true, mostly)

In Conclusion Welcome to the club it only gets better!!

JB

yeah i agree with the openers. I just listened to an interview of styles with david d, and one of the things that stuck out was him talking about canned openers. He said the best openers are the ones that are created out of actual curiosity. So i've been thinking a lot about that to use. I must say it is rewarding, Last night i was at a christmas party, i wasn't trying to pick anyone up, just practicing, apparently i could have easily f closed this one girl i had been talking to(according to her friend today)... i had no interest in her, but i was working with keno escalation, and negs. I haven't really crafted any good DHV stories yet, so i didn't bother.

It was actually pretty funny, one of my fraternity brothers was giving me hard time in front of his date about how i've been reading up on social dynamics. She gave the response i was expecting which was alright, pick me up right now, i told her it didn't work like that, but then i went into everything, i was making suggestions about how MM works and she was completely agreeing with everything i was saying. The fact i was telling her all of this was a DHV, me wanting to better myself. She was so interested, so much so she was on my arm in about 15 mins

yeah your night definitely wasn't a failure, it sounds like you were approaching alot of sets don't forget to get numbers though, even if you don't end up closing the girl, if she just ends up being in your social network one girl always leads to more , I can't believe that girl called you out on reading the game thats crazy, im not using any material directly from the game anymore after reading that