I totally agree, didn't accept the fb-request by the way! I know what I want, I want her and I want to keep her, LTR...

I have a plan on how to do it, I know what attracted her to me at first, I know what went wrong, I know I'm stronger than ever and I know how to destroy the boyfriend, I know my plan is solid, I am the king without a crown of adventure, I have 100 idea's...

But the fact remains: she flaked on my 2 months ago saying other people we're more important and three text and a fb-request is not an investment... I feel that everything I do will give her too much power now! Like she will be thinking: 'that was easy, I can send DonLeo away, type a smiley face and I have him back!'

I need to immediatly set a frame where she feels she is the one who wants me back in her life, which actually is true... I don't want to get involved in texting, fb, phone too much, it always fucks up game because it gettings boring, now matter how clever a PUA you are...

I don't want her to be around me and my friends as a 'first' contact, I can't run solid game with them around, although they are trying to help, they only get in the way...

It has to look like this:
- short period of re-establishing contact
- meet up one on one
- re-ignite her feelings/destroy the bf
- take his place/close/LTR

When she started texting again I thought she would put in a little effort, but that didn't happen! So how do I start things without stepping in all above mentioned traps?

Ok, decided to follow rodeo's advice!

Hit her with my famous: It has six letters the first and last are the same and it is now putting tge biggest smile on your face, any idea?

She immediatly (within a minute) replied: ohhh...no

Didn't expect that, so fast, so a couple of minutes later I replied: that's two words the rest is correct!

We'll see...

Congrats man!

I call this throwing out an empty hook. She bit - no time wasted on your part. If she flakes, you lose nothing. If she doesn't - game on.

_________________
Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

She bit man! Had a little fun conversation, stopped it after five messages...

I need to keep this short, no wasting time on overtexting...

What do you suggest?

I just know I am going to get her, just need to play it right and keep my head!

Gain complaince for a meet.

I'm with you man. I re-texted a chick that kinda went cold a week ago... Ramped and have her coming over tomorrow now. Wrote about it in the Lounge....

If this chick's on the hook, land her quickly.

I hope you have time in the near future. As a rule of thumb, I won't attempt to target a re-tread unless I know I've got time in the next 24-36 hours to fuck her. I don't want a lot of meaningless droning texts with her... I want to get in, catch her attention, build the desire, assume the close - set the date, bounce, and fuck her soon thereafter...

But I'm the guy that doesn't give a fuck - at all. Women are practice, warm bodies, sexual enjoyment.... My ability to find emotion is virtually non-existent....so keep that in mind.

_________________
Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

So what you're saying is follow up fast? How soon will that be? I don't wamt to be too eager, made that mistake with her in my afc-days! And also I kinda was preparing for a Umabomber kind of complicated plan! Where I have to destroy the boyfriend and what not! Her being quick in her replies and being playful motivates me, but I don't want to come off as Joe OverlyhappyAs I said before, I made up my mind, I want to get her and keep her...

And about meeting up: 1. She lives 100km away from me, my internship is like 30 km away from herbut her internship is like 70km away from her place, so again 100km away, I don't want to do all the investments...

My apologies.

I'm not the guy to ask about relationships. The whole concept skeeves me out. I will last about 3 weeks seeing a chick before it starts crowding me in and I bounce.

Everything I do is for the short game. At this time, at this stage in my life - I don't want the long game.

Best to you, brother.

_________________
Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Haha, don't apologise man! Always stay true to what you believe in!

I'll find my way, I have a strategy, it will work out! And for the moment I should not be thinking about a relationship with her, it's the ultimate goal, but for now first I need to move to a meet up, bed her and get her strongly emotional connected to me...

Thank you for your help mate!

Ok, next update,

She called me today. For her internship/study she had to interview some guy who's on the board of Footballteam I support. She said she didn't know where the entrance was. I thought she was just seeking attention since she could have called the guy she was going to interview or a mutual friend of ours who does his internship there. Later this mutual friend (the same one she has been asking if she can come hang out with us, he is her ex from before we all knew eachother) called me for something else and told me she tried texting and calling him too...

So anyway, told her where to go, that I was busy and had to hang up but that I will call her next week or so to meet up and catch up...

She said 'Sounds great!'

We'll see!

Gaming two others at the moment too, so I'm not going to be contacting her in any form untill next week. Even more so now I know she tried to call the ex too, although they are both not into eachother, it makes me feel like I'm not number one, so no reason to try hard...

You probably don't even need to hear this - it's probably common sense, but I want the newbs that read to understand this...

Learning about her call from the other guy is vital intel. Never reveal that information to her. Keep that as a backline of knowledge. Information is power.

If she contacts you - game on. If not - wait your week. and try a recast. If it doesn't work then - I'd bounce for real.

Good luck man!

_________________
Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

I know man!

Let me give my view for The newbs too:

Her calling me is good, but calling my mate first means there is not enough...yet. My mate is no competition in this, she just feels more comfort with him. But as Rodeo said, it was vital to know this! Or else, without knowing it, I could give her more than she deserves at the moment.

I didn't try to keep the conversation going because in this case, her working, me working, it would have been very needy. I actually gained some control by breaking it off.

I followed Pumpington's advice and brought up a meet up when she contacted me. Her response "sounds great" or " I would love to" (don't know the right translation) means she's up for a meet but it's no priority, if it was she would have said, for example, "I'm free this friday" or at least gave à hint at some free time in her schedule, but she didn't...

If you are new to this you might wonder why I am not going to contact her soon. I'm creating à little tension here, she now knows I'm too busy which Will trigger her for sure...

Now we have to see if it's enough to make her work harder again, which has been The case with every step I took so far. Knowing her for so long actually works to my advantage right now. I know how she acts and she thinks she knows how I act, so here's à chance to break the pattern. I need that to regain attraction. Knowing her she Will not put in much effort to contact me soon, so why would I, I have other girls to focus on!

I know I'm going to get her, let this be à lesson for all of you, asking advice on THE forum Will help for sure!

Amen to that.

I don't think you have many challenges here. I'd say just keep doing what you're doing. The ex thing is not really an issue, like you guys already said don't ever let her know that you know that. Game other girls like you are.

The only thing about Facebook that can work in your favour is pictures. My friends are like the paparazzi so I'm always tagged in new photos, with different girls on my weekends. Instead of doing it in person it shows that other girls have interest in you and you could quickly be off the market if she doesn't start working harder for you.

You're doing a good job of letting her know you don't have to get back with her if you don't want to. I'd even go as far as ignoring her sometimes, or if she ever sets something up flake on her.

For example, one time I made plans to go out with HB8 however on the day I never got a message from her, and she can be flakey at times so I wasn't going to message her to ensure we were going out, I knew we had a time frame so if she didn't respond by that time I was going to make plans with someone else. So I made plans with HB10 then I messaged HB8 later and said "We'll have to go out another day"

She started going on about how we could still go out that day, then I told her that I had already made plans with HB10 because I assumed we weren't going out (it was kind of late in the day to do what we wanted to do anyways). She understood and then immediately tried and rescheduled a day with me. That day came around and she messaged me first thing in the morning "You're mine today! Don't you dare make plans with someone else."

This girl has a thing where she doesn't ever message guys first (shes told me because she thinks if a guy likes her he should work for her), so I had to do that to break her out of that, and now I get messages from her all the time.

You could do something similar to get her to work harder for you.

_________________
No sleep till bedtime.

Been thinking about that too man!

If she calls/texts within a week I might just ignore her.

New situation,

The boyfriend is out! Didn't have to do anything about it...

Ok gentlemen,

A week has gone by, I could use some input again.

First: she didn't contact me all week. Part of that could be because she dumped the guy over the weekend. I am not too worried about that. It's better that she didn't, if she did she might wanted these big shoulders to cry on, don't want that. This morning I sent her a fun text to which she replied with a laugh, didn't continue the convo because all I wanted to do was make her feel good and I succeeded immediatly.

Second: Now that the boyfriend is out, it buys me some time. I decided that I will go in somewhere halfway next week. No one will steal her away. Besides the boyfriend is probably making some drama right now so why would I want to be in the middle of it.

Now for the meet up. I will call her next week, tell her that I have some time in my agenda, so far I kept her off by telling her I was too busy. I want to make her my girlfriend so I decided not to go for a full close, just a short date, having some coffee an get out of there. I have to lie a little, because we are so far from eachother I have to tell her I have stuff to do in her town so we could meet up (although I actually don't have stuff to do there) when she gets of the train after a day of internship.

We haven't seen eachother for about 4 months, I've been working out a lot, lost a lot of weight and gained some muscles, I'm sure she will be impressed, no doubt. Furthermore I have accomplished a lot since we last saw eachother so I am not worried about what to do and say, I am bigger and better than ever! This will be a succes.

Now, for the advice: Anything anyone would like to add? Some tips of any kind? All help is welcome!