So there is this girl from my university that i've been texting and casually seeing now and then for about 3 weeks, nothing serious, no dates, no major physical contact. I should probably mention i'm incredibly new to the PUA thing.

She's known for giving guys the wrong impression of her intentions, so I can't decide whether i'm misreading her or not, if that makes sense.

She holds eye contact with me when we talk
She's "touchy feely" ie) She'll like grab my arm or leg while talking for example.
Basically she is showing me what i feel are IOIs

However, she seems to be adamant that we're friends. This is my MAIN issue with girls, i have no problem flirting with them, and communicating, i don't get nervous but they almost always turn out as friends. I'm guessing Kino Escalation is the problem?

What do you guys think?

What should i do?

sounds like you have been 'friend zoned' and i strongly believe the only way out of the friendzone is to freeze her out and get with someone else, if she likes you she'll ask why and then you tell her youre not being just friends with her and aren't the type of guy to mess about, say all that with a huge grin on your face

you have to find yourself, figure out what your intentions are and express them

do you like her?

if so, what she thinks is fairly irrelivant, don't pay attention to what she says and get worried about it or caught up in 1st world problems..

you can not read her mind, nor should you try to, you know how she is known for giving guys the wrong idea, and leading them on with her intentions?

be the opposite of this, be obvious and clear about what you want and your intentions, and don't change your mind, she just wants to be friends, that is cool, but you still like her after she is your friend, you still flirt with her after she is your friend, you still invite her out to hang out, your intentions stay the same and clear, keep escalating, hold her hand, kiss her, flirt with her, be shameless about it, if you like her, show her you like her, without becomming obsessive or overly focused on a need to be with her, if she is showing disinterest, meh what ever, maybe it will change later, don't push your luck or pressure her hard to make something happen, just let it naturally unfold if it will

what she does will tell you more then what she says, if she starts kissing you back, starts flirting back, comes back to your house to be alone, good chance it is just a matter of time

if she won't be alone with you, she won't kiss you, she always is busy or has excuses for why she can't be around you, good chance she is not interested

pretty much that simple, act like a non-sexual friend, you get treated like one

Thanks for the advice guys

Both ideas kind of contradict each other though :/ What do I do? Close of contact for a while, then come back as a better PUA, or just continue going and escalate kino etc?

It's one girl. You should be worried about one girl anyway. You should be out picking up as many girls as possible

its always served me well to close of contact for a while and come back as a better PUA, but make damn sure you game other girls while doing so and with any luck you probably wont even need to come back at all

the problem is that the friend zone doesn't really exist, in my opinion, there is just the

too pussy to escalate zone

and the

not attractive to me zone

if you are in the too pussy to escalate zone, then the girl likes you, is compliant, likes being around you, gives you good chances to have sex with her, but you do nothing and dissapoint her time and time again, she dresses up, trys to hang out with you, trys to flirt with you so you know she is interested, and time and time again she goes home and has to flick the bean, eventually you will lose a girls interest from not making anything happen (they want to get laid too, and if you don't make it happen some other guy will)


if you are in the not attractive to me zone, it could be plenty of things, but I would focus mainly on looks and style and neediness for this one, if you find most girls are non compliant for you, and you are not getting anywhere fast in terms of escalation but actually making a good effort, improve your style and hygene, maybe get a new wardrobe, possibly look into teeth whitening, if you are overweight hit the gym, if your teeth suck get some braces, clothes are old and plain, time for a new wardrobe, work on being fun to be around, don't always be trying to get something out of the people you hang out with besides a good idea of who they are and what they are like, show an interest in those around you, be curious, let them know what you like about them, tease them about what you don't like, but overall find enjoyment out of spending time with others, if you can't there is a good chance they won't get enjoyment out of spending time with you either

if you are part of the first zone, your best bet is to just give the girl a little time to miss you, because you have been being a giant pussy and she needs time to actually want to hang out with you, as she probably knows it will not lead to anything, so anyways when she agrees to meet with you and has actually been missing her company, come back fresh and new, actually make advances on her, tell her something is different about her, get close to her like you are curious, look into her eyes, tease her, touch her, make her laugh, play around with her, find out what has been going on in her life, figure her out, tell her what you think about it, exchange your feelings and connect, then when things are going well continue to move them forward, both logistically and physically, man the fuck up and kiss her if you have no problems, get her alone and start feeling her up, start taking off your clothes


if you are in the second category, then you are pretty much fucked, until you improve yourself, maybe you have to become better looking for her, or more interesting, maybe better dressed, more finacially secure, more confident, more towards her ideal type, what ever it is, you shouldn't worry about it, rather you should just always try to be improving yourself, if she is not interested who cares, there are plenty more girls where she came from, just go out and find them

you have to find who you are, figure out what you want, and put fourth and effort to find it

if you have to ask what do I do?, then you don't have a clear vision of what you want in mind, and you will need to know what you want in order to be sure of yourself, and that is confidence summed up in a nutshell, just be sure of yourself and what you want, key word being ''YOU''

I guess this is a bit late. But I was in a similar situation. I did what Pumpington described. Not as gracefully and well executed as planned (and not without awkward moments). But in the end it worked.

So follow his advice.

Basically my problem was i was suffering from "oneitis" i think. I still like the girl, but another one has shown MAJOR interest, and basically told me at the next party we're at, we're going home together. And since i've been talking to other girls, my "craving" (for use of a better word) of the origionally spoken of girl, have decreased majorly

Thanks for all the help though guys. Might pursue the origional girl again in a month or 2

Alright, since I'm the only one here that is a body language buff here you go. Your emotions are owning you right now. I want to start with the fact that you are into this girl and you can't think logically because you are so stuck on her that she is clouding your rationality.

When it comes to attraction it is difficult especially with women who are big flirts. However this doesn't mean you can't tell whether she is attracted, you need to baseline her behaviors and how she interacts with other men she "leads along".
How much attention does she give you vs. other guys?

How much eye contact does she make with you vs. other guys?

What type of attention do they get compared to you? Does she go up and touch them? Is she just a kinesthetic girl that is touchy with everyone?

How often does she preen when she makes eye contact? If you don't have a good idea what entails a preen here: http://showyourmind.wordpress.com/2012/ ... ic-preens/

Where does her torso face? Does her torso face you or is it usually neutral? Torsos are controlled on a very subconscious level, you don't think about leaning forward, you don't think about leaning back, you just do. When we like something we lean forward, regardless of what(video games, a woman, whatever). So if her torso is engaging you rather than other men she is attracted.

Where does her foot point? Our feet and microexpressions are the most honest body language you can have. Her foot will point at the thing or person she is most interested in. If her foot points at another guy, the bathroom, her friends, the bar for a drink, the exit, or you, it will point at what she is most interested in.

That should be enough to notice attraction, here is also a video I made on sexual attraction vs. liking you as a friend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT5zOwgg ... ture=g-upl

Let me know if you want anything else.

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You sound like a @#$%@# nice guy, that's the problem.

You also answered your own question. If she's known for giving guys the wrong impression, then maybe she is giving you the wrong impression. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out, but regrettably, I know why you're having a hard time accepting it... you want to nail this girl to planet cum but you can't and that sucks.

Best bet is to move on or talk to her like you have a pair.