My night club game is tight, I can get a woman's number easy at a night club but I'm finding that my openers don't work very well on a day pick up.
I'm sure I can lead the conversation in a constructive way if i knew a good day time opener. Any advice to help me polish up my skills would be greatly appreciated.I'm successful yes, but we all have our sticking points

I tend to lean more towards direct game during the day. I'll open with some situational opinion opener and then go direct. I think of it as a hybrid style.

"Hey real quick, do you know where I can find one of those (insert something found near by), because I really need to find one?"

Her response

"I'm just kidding. You looked interesting so I wanted to come and see if there was more to your allure than what meets the eyes"

If I have an audience or she is exceptionally hot, I'll take a more cocky/funny approach.

"Hey real quick, do you know where I can find one of those slap bracelets, because I REALLY need to find one?"

Her response

"Just kidding love, what's your name?"

Her response

"(her name)? That's crazy, my wife's name is (her name). Well, we're not really married yet. In fact, we've only just met."
Look at her with seductive eyes

She laughs

"Just kidding (give her a nickname, i.e. banana-pants), you haven't got a chance."

Roll from there.

That last line came from Piff the magic Dragon. Look him up. His delivery is flawless.

Well played doclift , I like it.

I love it... def my style of doin it... going to apply asap I might switch it up a bit to make it feel a little more natural. Its differant than night game in a lot of ways. Thanks!!

I'll def. Look into piff

I like the hybrid style...but I have been testing these value displays.

Obviously when you go in direct your value is technically lower than hers...but then I notice I naturally neg her which when you put it on paper ...sounds kind of bad but it actually works fine...some girls have this shield up if you go direct...and sometimes i feel well if she's doing this I'll neg....but sometimes it can be prone to ...well the girl getting annoyed even if you're having a hoot about it.

What do you think doc?

I noticed you said "you don't have a chance" which is a neg technically.

Ya you would def neg when its appropriate... I mean if your having a conversation and building rapport slow it down... but I'm cocky, not like cocky funny I mean I wanna fuck myself lol... so i hav to watch my negs because I do it so naturally. I've blown myself out of set with the shit before...

CaptainJackHarkness,

You are correct in acknowledging that the community generally considers direct game as a means of displaying lower value. But it should be noted that this generalization was derived from experiences in night game where woman are significantly more likely to get hit on.

Day game is different. It takes an enormous amount of confidence to approach a day set in the absence of alcohol. In fact, as long as you go in charismatic and confident, your direct game can be an excellent means of DHVing.

Notice in my opener that I imply to her that her appearance alone is not enough to please me. This demonstrates higher value. I also demonstrate a sense of urgency ("hey real quick") because I'm a busy man and time is precious. Yet another DHV.

Now on to negging. Here are my observations on the subject.

Negs are used to disqualify yourself from the target.

Nothing else.

All too often I see guys use them as a way of knocking value out of a girl when they aren't getting the desired response. Don't do this. As PUAs, it's are responsibility to use our knowledge and skill-sets to enrich the lives of not only ourselves, but those with whom we interact. Belittling women is a cheap means of garnering attention and should be avoided.

When you walk into a set, you use a neg to disqualify yourself as a potential suitor. This goes against the woman's typical expectation for a pickup and affords you the opportunity to stay in the set long enough to build attraction with her. Once you get a few IOI's from her, then the negging cease. Negging after you've reach a hook point with a set is counterproductive.

If you want to "punish" a girl (and I use that term only for lack of a better word), then do so with your body language. Your movements and posture will convey far more than your words ever could. You'll get an immediate response without granting her the ability to quote you later. This becomes especially important in relationships when quotes are used as weapons.

Every PUA goes through a stage where they abuse negs. I did and it cost me some really slamming sets. I went to a gathering with a friend of mine last weekend who's going through it now. He blew out every set in the house. His game is normally tight but he just over did it. I pointed it out to him and now he's dialing it down.

Neg, build attraction, slide into comfort.

this is good advice

its good advice for beginners

the basic mentality comes across. Be FUN and if you have AA these openers help you with it and you can still be direct in a way.

Its not smooth but will work for now

direct game is the way to go during the day and make the interaction as short as possible cause people got shit to do so get straight to the point I usually use an extremely afc opener but i get the number 9 out of 10 times "excuse me miss not trying to be disrespectful or anything but you look bomb ass hell I was wondering if I can get to know you" they always say thanks after and then you say so what's your name and after that you give them your name and give them your phone do not ask for there number give them your phone when they put the number in they usually call or text it so they have your number and hit them up the day after trying to make a meeting in some type of way I usually ask them if they smoke or drink and invite them over to chill and get faded I end up fucking 80% of the time and I always get at least a kiss close

I agree in some ways about the DHVs in the natural direct game approach. But I do feel like it's kind of like going in direct to A3 without essentially qualifying yourself to her. One has to ask - is simply approaching, being bold, and doing that in day game enough to build value in her eyes?

Was riding my car with a buddy of mine past a supermarket, and as two girls were passing.


Him: This one is cute.
Me: Which one?
Him: The right one.
Me: I actually prefer the left one more.

We keep driving and 50 meters ahead

Him: Hey, turn around here and go to that exit, I am gonna go after her and take her number.
I stop by and he runs out after them.

as I wait in the car for 5 minutes he comes back laughing and waving his hands. He got it. I asked him how did it go and it went like this

Him: Hey cute girls
They immediately started smiling
Him: Is it a problem If I take your number?
Her: Well it kinda is...
Him: What about about facebook?
Her: Well I don't know you...
Him: That's what facebook is used for, to meet people.

She gave him her facebook name. This guy is so fucking successful with women. Hes old as me, 22 years, and number is higher than 30.

This approach is something very similar to what I use too.

If the girl is standing or moving, regardless if its night day or club or outside I try to make eye contact first and approach, but I don't break the 3 second rule on this one. If I don't make eye contact I approach anyways within 3 seconds.

Me: Hey, can I ask you something (this is optional)
Her: yes
Me: I saw you from over there... You're cute. Whats your name?
Introduce and kiss on the cheek
Me: Do you have facebook?

It works 90% of the time for me

Another approach of mine, I used on a 3 set, day game, in a caffe bar, seated girls. 4 chairs, one empty.

I approach my seat and ask the girl next to it if she minds if I sit down there. She said No, I don't mind.
Then I looked at my target and started talking to her: I saw you from over there (pointing at my seat) you're pretty and I would regret later if I didn't approach you... What's your number so I take you out for a coffee?
Her friends bursted out laughing and she blushed and looked down...
Me: Hey, don't laugh it's not ok towards your friend.
Me: So?
She gives me her number
I introduce, kiss on the cheek, say goodbye to girls and leave.

That's alternative, very successful, you just have to show balls and follow it to the end, and you gonna get it.

I love these openers! Keep it coming!

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