I absolutely suck at sarging at parties. When i go out to the club or am in the bank or pumping gas etc. I am getting pretty good. I don't have the most solid game but I found a system that works for me. I know i need to become more dynamic because I kind of have a routine i always do. It really uses the false time constraint, I usually can number close or if i feel a little resistance i will instead roll off and come back later to build more attraction. After i build comfort here it usually results in a number close.

My friend has a girlfriend and has been inviting me out to parties because all his gf's friends are smoking hot. For some reason, I just don't have my stuff. I dont know if its cuz he is trying too hard to hook me up. I hung out with them a little when i was AFC and i know the girls probably think i am too nice. I don't want to be an ass because i feel it would be fake, but i definitely use negs and that sort.

I have a feeling the girls think I am something i am not, needy and too nice. I'm kind of stuck here, trying to find a way to get passed this. Another part of my routine is to go talk with other girls, when i am at a club or bar this seems to work great. when i am at a house party i think it makes me look desperate somehow.

Suggestions please

come back in and reframe it completely. be the life of the party. go around to every little group in conversation and get involved. select one target. hang out with guys, become the most popular guy at the party first. then, once you have established that guys respect you, let her catch you with a couple girls. just talkin, flirtin, maybe a little kino, but nothing intense. then come back to her, talk to her. open and build comfort. then leave her. leave just when you've hooked her and you know shes attracted. go do w/e with some friends or go back to a girl you were talking to. then come back to her and close that shit.

good luck,

PB

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"It takes an average of 20 additional meetings to undo a bad first impression"

I learned this in a class called Leadership, which basically taught us how to be confident and professional and, well, leaders.

But it's true. If you hung out with these girls when you were an AFC, they already have that impression of you in their head. So unless you want to waste a lot of time trying to correct that first image, I'd just move on. Or at least I wouldn't make it my goal to pick any of them up.

Instead, I would just use them as practice. Run some routines on them.... see how they respond to some of the games you've been learning.. and practice reading their faces, handwriting, or whatever your have in your PUA arsenal. If you get IOI's, then great! Pick a target and go for it. But don't EXPECT a reaction. And certainly don't have any intentions, other than making good, quality conversation and having a positive social experience. Have fun with it!


-Z Dubya

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naw dude, it dont take 20 times. plus, its not like these girls really got to know the real you. just come in bold as can be as the life of the party. look into it, it works.

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i agree, 20 times is a little excessive. but i do believe you need to fix the first impression.

the thing is, not what THEY are thinking. it's what you are thinking that they are thinking haha. sorry if that sounds confusing.

basically i've noticed that with my friends i don't act as alpha or as confident around any of them. it's still like that because naturally i like to treat people like equals. i go into alpha/pua mode when:

1. they're pissing me off
2. when i want practice
3. when i'm bored (to entertain them/me)
4. when there is a new girl/HB around that i haven't met yet

when i get introduced to new friends i naturally feel a discomfort because my friends are around. i guess it's a mixture of social pressure and not being use to it. so you need to out AMOG your own friends before it becomes easier to sarge girls when they're around. becoming a pua is about changing your lifestyle. if you want more girls, this is one way.

another way, is just being yourself and altering things slightly based on the situation. i'm generally myself everywhere i go, but i'm pretty unique.. i'm just myself. so i can slightly change my mood/personality depending on the occasion. it's not so much that people think i'm a fake, it's just enough to still be myself and have people like me for it...

maybe something to keep in mind? you don't need to change yourself, unless you want to. you just need to understand the theory and use it when it applies. attract - comfort - seduce. if you want to stick to that alone, that should be enough.

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In my opinion you're forcing it. Step back, take a deep breath and examine the situation. Let me tell you something a wise man once told me:

Your friends (or party acquaintances) will be your greatest enemy in changing yourself for the better. Why?

Think about "Kramer" from Seinfeld. We all love turning on the TV and seeing the guy do outrageous things. -Even 7 years later, he's still same ole Kramer. We don't want to see Kramer with a wife, kids, and a stable job. We like that he bashes in through Jerry's door and being a bum.

It's the same thing with your friends, they do not want you to change. Especially if you make sudden PUA lifestyle changes in as little as a few weeks.

My advise? Take a breather from the parties for a month or two. Focus on inner game, and make a list of goals you'd like to accomplish. Rework your avatar as well as your entire persona. That way you come off as "a new man" as oppose to being fake.

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Say goodnight to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on.

Make way for the bad guy. There's a bad guy comin' through! Betta get outta his way!

I think the flaws of many puat (in training) is that they forget the importance of the psychological frame of mind.

I think the value of the mind is always ignored, the mind is a very powerful organ, yet at the same time its easily controlled. What you need to do next time you go to the party is think:
" Okay these birds are fucking hot, they may think I'm a dweeb but fuck it. This is the best practice I'm going to get for a long time, I am in the social circle of these babes I am free to do what I want yet I don't have to worry about the consequences too much. GO FOR IT"

Listening to music releases endorphins in the brain, try listening to some party music or whatever gets you pumped right before you meet up with them, combine these with positive reinforcement. Don't stress, whats the worst that can happen? They think your a bit of needy person already, prove them wrong.

These are house parties, so surely theres going to be other people there that aren't in the social circle, target them? Prove that you can score girls then maybe target one of the friends when the success has given you confidence.

Search the net for some self growth bullshit. Alot of it is just that but the essence of it is the same, you define what is around you. For the basic gist I just googled "Create you own Reality" and this was the first article
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Neta5.html

You said yourself, you have a routine that works, these girls are no different... they are girls as well, so if your routine works, they will not all magically be exempt.


Create your own Reality!!!

My two cents

Mildawg