I just want to say all these guys trying all these stupid routines, that is all bullshit.

It's about seizing opportunities and doing exactly what you want, when you want, how you want. No Rules, No Laws.

Play by your own rules.

I finally decided to join after lurking for a few weeks and reading some of these comical stories on mid-game and closing or 2nd dates. I hope I can contribute my experience, I have busy schedule and log maybe once every 3-4 weeks.

Natural game is where it's at. Everything else is crap. I've finally solidified my game and I'm able to kiss close or more every night out. Thur-Sun.

When you realized to stop caring, that's when your natural game reveals itself.

P.S some of you guys are awesome. I remember when i first discovered this site 6 months ago I saw a post by a guy in Las Vegas who closed a girl with no less than 15 words. That's where it's at!

Do you have a link to that topic?

I agree with going after what you want, that is true confidence, seeing what you want than going after it because you deserve it. Their self-assurance, and self-love is high.

I know a kid that kiss closed a girl and got her number on less than 15 words. Most people can close a girl in "no less than 15 words." Also said as more than 15 words. In Vegas you can easily hook up with girls without talking, go to the club dance with a girl, build sexual tension take her to your room. I've hooked up with girls multiple times in Vegas, it's really no big deal their.

Alphas are known for having less stress (lower Glucocorticoids) and more fun (higher dopamines). It is a fantastic idea to loosen up and have fun. Not stress shit.

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you know, this is probably right. reading some BS material here completely mind fucked me to the point that i developed AA because i was over analyzing things. so last weekend i juust put balls to the wall and did my own shit. K-Closed 5 girls, got a number from one which i didn't hook up with - ended up going out to dinner with her and back at my place later on. i was only being myself. lesson here is simple - at the end of the day forum's like these are good only if you take what you need from it. just because it had worked for someone else doesn't mean that it will work for you.

+1

I made the silly mistake of posting in this forum because it was titled 'Natural Game' - i.e., no lame routines (the equivalent of training wheels) and canned garbage.

I don't see much Natural Game happening here. Of course the community's fascination with naturals (especially the tiny handful of legit naturals) explains the incongruence.

I don't mean to criticize - I'm just sayin'.

This forum should remain exclusive to natural game. There is no shortage of room in the other forums for the amateur hour stuff.

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Well its easy to say "just go out there and be yourself and be natural". That takes a lot of balls, plus if you are not experienced you will just end up messing up anyway. That's why all the openers and routines exist so you can use them until you get a feel for the thing and start coming up with your own shit. Most of the time openers work because guys believe in them and hence are more confident delivering them. But generally you are right being a natural is where we should be aming to get

Yeah not many folks have a good understanding of natural game. Problem is everyone comes in and want to know what to say.

Well the foundation of Natural Game is confidence, after that it is experience and knowledge (body language, understanding people, and understanding courtship(attraction, escalating, building sexual tension, etc.)). Not many folks know what naturals do so how that hell can all of us give info on Natural game?

Those of us have gained "natural game" have studied very hard to just roll things in a natural manner. I didn't want to lose my personality to PUA so I decided routines and canned wasn't for me. Then I realized that as long as you have a very good idea of what to do, what happens through out natural courtship you can have natural game. It is all about being an attractive mate(confidence) and just knowing how and when to escalate.

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I'm well aware of why the routines exist and there's nothing wrong with using a crutch until you learn to walk. My only request was that others have the courtesy to maintain the Natural Forum's standards.

I'm always trying to find better bro's to grow my game, just like everyone else - no better than anyone else - just at a different level.

If I'm a blue belt I'm not walking over to the mat where the black belts are rolling and jumping in with them. No judgement involved and no offense intended, just logic and common respect, yeah?

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I disagree, why start out losing your personality? You should start out getting to know your personality and share it. You should never have to relearn things(like how to talk to a woman). Routines and canned teach you to be a confident in a system, not in yourself. That right there is the problem.

You should start out working on yourself. Your confidence, your style, learning to reveal your personality, not learning to have the same conversation.

You should start out just with hi, how are you, what's up. Getting comfortable with a natural regular conversation. Meanwhile studying courtship, attraction and all that. Learning all you need to on that end.

It is a lot of work to learn natural game. It's not as if it is easy.

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