Well I have been testing the friends manuver vs. showing a girl alot of interest. I like both these girls I know and it's not like they are lab rats. We will call them HB1 and HB2. They are both 8.5s easily and I am trying to figure out the differences with both types of "games" if you will with both woman. I have been getting some strange results ones of which I did not expect. The game went on for about 2 weeks.

With HB1, I did the friends manuver, I did not show any sexual attraction to her and only said we should hang out as friends. I also told her I wasn't looking for any serious relationships, due to the fact they are too much hassle. I would txt her on and off but just random txt. The weird thing with this was I talked to her recently and I am not sure why. I didn't show any intention of liking her and I highly doubt she could see through the game, but she said she thought I was percistant in trying to date her and didn't like it. I found this rather odd, and I reinforced my first point that I did not want to date her and was only looking to be friends. She was really put off by this and got somewhat mad, so I am presuming she wanted me to just ask her out. So I am guessing she was playing a game as well by acting like she didn't like me in the first place.

With HB2, I showed my sexual and emotional interesting in starting a relationship. Now from what I was suppose to understand, is that she would be put of by this and find it needy. But like the above I got opposite results from what I thought would happen. My showing interest intrigued her. She actually wants to spend more time with me and enjoys my company. You can easily tell she really likes me just either she is too shy to ask me out or that she expects me to ask her out. It is not the LJBFs phase either, we really do have much in common. So it is really odd.

I am still trying to figure out the best method...

*UPDATE:As I am writing this HB1 has just txt me and wants to hang out, we are talking back and forth and it's almost like she wants me as well.....infact she just invited me over to play pool at her house...*

Well it seems that both methods are working, It seems woman both want to be shown attention and that they want to work to get a mans attention. I am still trying to work out the kinks with this. I am not sure if it is my personality that is doing the good, or if its the method. So I am gonna persue this more and keep an update.

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I'm sure we've all seen this in my posts, but I want to make this explicit: I do not believe in telegraphing too much interest. I approach my target. I utilize 4R relate-reward cycles from the very beginning of an interaction. I'll utilize full-body kino as an opener (the Hug Opener).

For certifiable 10s this may not apply, but for anything less, you cannot telegraph too much interest. The moment you walk up to her, she knows something's up. The approach is an SOI, an undeserved SOI no-less, and she knows that you are going to pick her up.

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Ya I understand that Monkey, but how do you explain the results from my test. The HB1 eventually came around and I just got back from her house, we played pool there was alot of IOIs and kino. I did not take it to kissing. I still did not try and show that much sexual interest and the only kino was when I was teaching her how to hold the stick... not my stick . I am gonna try and see if I can get her to desire me more. But as for the other chick she loved the attention and was totally into me. I am starting to think she just felt a connection and is one of those girls that wants to be swept off her feet by a guy who it truely interested in her. So that all I can say now. Any suggestions from you?

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With girl number one, you're running serious cat-string theory. Right now, you're the string, and she's relatively uncomfortable with that. If she's an 8.5 as you said, she's accustomed to men showing a great deal of sexual interest in her. The fact that you are not frustrates her, and so she is actively chasing you.

With girl number two, you're showing her a lot of sexual interest, and I'm sure you're doing so in a way that rewards her for being an interesting, funny, wonderful young lady. You've utilized SOIs beautifully in this case, and built sexual tension with her.

Summary: Both methods work, but in different ways.

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I understand that but I just figured that with HB2 she would be totally turned off by me oozing with sexual energy. The kicker is I haven't done anything remotely sexual with her....

I wonder what would happen if I reversed rolls with the two girls, bee overly sexual, but not do anything sexual with her and played the "cat and string" method on HB2.... hmm

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Proper use of SOIs isn't "oozing sexuality." According to some theories, telegraphing too much interest in an 8.5 should be a direct turn-off, a show of neediness. Utilizing relate/reward cycles (if you're not using them consciously, you're probably using them subconsciously), you're utilizing sexuality as a reward for behavior you find (or suspect she will find) attractive to you. It's 4R theory at its most basic.

If you were to turn your project around right now, I suspect that your experiment would end with you being quite exhausted and needing to change the sheets when HB1 is done with you, while HB2's reaction would depend entirely on her own personality. It would be something like an elongated freeze-out, though, and I suspect you'll find her trying much harder to bring your interaction back to a sexual feel-good place.

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Well I am gonna continue this for awhile before I do the turn around. As I am too lazy to change my sheets right now. As well as sex isn't my main goal right now. Sex has turned into a reward for me if I make a good rapport. I tried sex without a good rapport last friday and it was just empty. She enjoyed it but for me, it was much like masterbation... no not the i can finish in two minutes masterbation, but just the fact it was just me popping my rocks off. It wasn't as fulfilling to me as making a strong rapport and building on it.

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Also, let's face it, changing sheets you just put on yesterday is SUCH a pain in the ass.

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Both methods are proven to work, it all depends on the girl. There are other methods other than this one that work ranging from girl to girl. I prefer to show no sexual intrest and usually be a dick and pay them very little attention, usually rushing out of the conversation and interacting happily with others until I see a time to pay her some attention. It works different for every guy, but it is good to see that you have both methods at your disposal. The best pickup artists have the largest arsenals of moods and personalities they can exhibit in order to adapt to any situation / conversation / women / group. Before reading the game, I was never really fond of the "caveman" method of picking up girls, but recently at my college when I tend to go to the larger frat parties, that method works extremely well when I choose to use it. When all is said and done it really once again depends on what the female wants, some are turned on by domination others by what they can't have and others like being smothered with attention..

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