You should train for your self, not for women. If you train for women, you won't last.

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This post needs a thread of its own.

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The pictures summed it up more then any words or other posts could. Mild muscle + tone = win. Having some sort of vein river system going on all over your body = fail.

Ridl3r that is hitting the nail on the head. If you are training for someone else you wont have as much drive as if you were doing it for yourself and also for a man to have a good body equals hitting the gym hard for a woman all she has to do is not eat like a fucking hippo.

So don't worry even she thinks you go to the gym to much, she only needs to got less because woman with muscles are normaly gross. Losing fat takes less then building muscle.

Rant over

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You made me laugh.

I think Madals hit the mark, also,
I know a fair few hotter women that don't date guys better looking than them....whatever that means

to the OP, I hope your not going to the gym purely to get woman's approval, I assume your not. If your happy with who you are, you will project it through your actions...pretty much what everyone is saying

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Muscles have been nothing but beneficial for me, with all types and classes of women.

My guess is the girls knew you before you got big, and they don't want you to get any bigger because they know you'll find new girls to hang out with. They may be trying to sabotage you the same way a fat wife or junky wife will try and sabotage a husband who goes on a diet or tries to kick the habit. You're "their" guy friend and they don't want to have to find a new one, and more importantly, they probably don't want you bringing a new girlfriend into their social circle. To them, that would mean their status just got pushed down a notch. They won't tell you that, but I bet that is what they are thinking.

I go to the gym and do weights because I like the way exercise feels, the high you get when pumped up etc. Getting muscular is a side effect of that . Don't do it to impress girls though cos then it's not worth the effort.
I agree that photo 1 is the way. But the type of guy on photo no. 2 doesn't give a shit about what women think about his muscularity, therefore I'm sure he has no trouble getting woman. And I respect guys like those because it takes a shitload of effort to look like this.
And to guys telling that "oh this is way too much you don't have to look like this bla bla..." Don't worry, you won't look like this ever.
Just look what you think you should look like and what makes you happy. I think that's more important than to impress anyone

when a woman tells you she doesn't like something about you, she usually is just scared.