A 7.5 I'm dating lives with her family, and I with my ex (for at least the next few months).

We thus don't have an obvious seduction location, and haven't progressed far physically (my kino game's still weak). We've had 5 dates, so this is pretty slow by PUA community standards. I'd like her for a LTR so I don't need to go fast for its own sake, but I'm worried that

1. if I take too long, the momentum may die and I'll get friendzoned
2. if she's seeing (or meets) anyone else, some other guy may get there first. Which is ipso facto bad, and might shut me out (my experience is most girls want to be exclusive if we've f-closed, and will drop other guys who haven't f-closed her yet). My vibe is she's not actively dating or screwing anyone else, but has orbiters and/or past dates who still chat her up etc.

On our most recent date, she left something in my car, and then initiated a text message offering to come by to pick it up before our next date (already scheduled). So she may want to hook up / close (she knows I live with my ex, but may not realize that her coming by is out of the question for now). Three questions:

1. So far we've only kissed / made out some. She tends to keep her lips tight when we kiss (difficult for me to use tongue w/o forcing it) and doesn't get super passionate (having her neck kissed or thigh/butt squeezed gets her a little frisky, but also nervous; she feels like she's about to pull away so I try to pull away first). I'd love advice on escalating to more passionate but still publicly legal levels of makeout. Assuming that would help with eventual close. (The DiCarlo kino ladder seemed to suggest NOT doing a lot of kissing until you can actually f-close. Thoughts?)

With a number of past girls I've gotten public-ish BJs (usually in the car or woods) , but so far things aren't very sexual (either the kino or our conversation) with this girl, so I'd need pretty sharp advice to progress there (or to a step like 'let's rent a hotel room' or 'let's take a trip together').

2. Due to time constraints (including other girls) I only have 1-2 evenings a week for her and am fine if things take awhile to get more serious (I almost wish I could 'pause' her for 3 months to sort other stuff out) - but I could use advice on how to maintain and build her attraction in the meantime.

3. If she brings up 'are we exclusive, bf/gf, are you seeing other girls, do you still fool around with your ex', or similar questions, what's a good response. (The truth is I'm seeing other girls, but she's my favorite LTR prospect, but I don't feel I have oneitis).

Here's how you play your next date.

Don't kiss when you first get her. Hold her hand in the car ride or walk to a restaurant or wherever you're going. When you get there, run your fingers over the hairline at the back of her neck or behind her ears. Kiss her ear and neck once or twice, but don't kiss her lips. Move your hands to her thighs, run patterns on the inside of her thigh, come upward but never dangerously, keep it between her knee and mid-thigh for now.

In car ride back, start pushing limits with the thigh tracing. Often car-ride escalation is very easy, there's no eye contact possible, which somehow makes it more smooth. If you can make it to her vag, go for it.

If walking, not driving, walk back to her place. Halfway through, start kissing her, tease her mouth open by opening your mouth wider and get the full make out against a wall.

Just before you get back to her place, if she expects you to drop her off and leave, bring up a movie that she reminds you of. She'll want to know how it suits her, tell her you can't describe it, you'll have to show her on youtube. Mention this and enter without hesitation.

When there, inner thigh/gentle vag work, at some point take her hand and put it on your crotch over your pants. She'll probably be receptive and you go for a slow escalation from there.

Interesting. I like the idea of *not* kissing her for most of the date (to build anticipation etc.), and the thigh kino is doable (last date I held her leg in the car and she caressed my hand, so I assume she liked the thigh touching).

Regrettably, going inside her house to escalate may not be an option, as she lives with her family.

The thing about living with her family is understandable (I live with mine and find it awkward). But I think you need to explain to your ex "look we aren't together anymore, I may want to bring a girl back. I'm letting you know out of courtesy."

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+1

Perfectly said.

If no one has a place, you're gonna have to fuck her in the car, and that can be hard for the first time.