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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:40 pm 
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I'm really not having a problem opening girls on these online dating sites.. They get a kick out of my profile, my humor, displayed confidence, and most of them when they start asking me questions seem to enjoy my answers for being so different than what they normally get.......The problem is when they see a picture of me lol
I can carry decent conversations, get them talking about sexual experiences and what they'd want to do when we meet...But when I send a picture, I never hear from a lot of them again..Theres only been a couple I've talked with in the past couple weeks that have continued to have good conversations after exchanging pictures...Anyone with any advice on how I can keep their attraction going AFTER they see my pictures? lol

I don't think I'm a bad looking guy, just a little over weight....And it is something I'm working on....But just thought I'd ask you online guys for some advice around this..Any ideas would be helpful


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You have to number close asap and meet in person asap. Don't chat so much online. I usually try to meet within one week after initial contact.


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@motownsoul Lol!! Its prdtty obvious, make ur self more attractive. If a HB1 starting coming on to, fully naksd, wet, licking her lips. Would u do her? ...yes, but thats not the point.


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hb1?! Couldn't you have at least used a hb3 or 4 as an example haha

But really..what would you suggest?


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Well for one you're not going to get every girl you start talking with. It happens. As for sending pictures and them not replying to you, it's not so much about you being slightly overweight or you physical looks that much, I would think more about what sort of value your picture demonstrates that you are sending. Also posting pictures in the first place, if you arent already, would probably be best. They are going to find out what you look like sooner or later so might as well weed the more superficial ones out.


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That's what I was thinking more along the lines of, but just wasn't sure...I know its not my looks, because I've been successful with good looking girls. But there are some really nice girls around my area that don't do the bar/club thing...they work and goto school with most of their time, so they go online to try to find men..Which is cool......and I know I'm not going to get every woman I try to talk to...and I accept that. However, I do want to make sure I give myself the best possible odds of keeping them hooked..Thats basically what this is about.


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Make sure your pictures coincide with the personality displayed in conversation. Anybody can sound cocky and funny and happy and joyous and awesome online. Anybody...

But if you look at a picture and it doesn't display that, women who are awesome at subconsciously spotting these things will call shenanigans.

Your weight has little to do with it. I've found skinny women I find unattractive and can tell they're unhappy just by their pictures, even if their profile says "OMG, I'm such a happy person!". I've also seen overweight women who look generally awesome; They're tan, happy and confident.


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Put a picture of yourself up on the actual dating site, where girls can see it before they even start interacting with you. Sure, it might put a few off, but it'll save you from wasting your valuable time talking to people who don't want to meet you because of your looks.

I won't lie - being a little chubby is a disadvantage, but it pales into insignificance compared with personality, and the way that you express yourself. If you put up at least one picture of you looking cool on your own, one picture of you having fun with friends (ideally attractive female friends) and one picture of you doing some interesting activity, that should more than compensate for your looks.

I'd also like to echo speed's point - you ideally need to arrange to meet in person within one week of first contact, I'd say within three days is ideal. Anything more than that and your escalation starts to lose momentum, and it'll be a lot harder to get her to commit to anything.

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. ... I won't lie - being a little chubby is a disadvantage, but it pales into insignificance compared with personality, and the way that you express yourself.
No it doesn't... Online the game is radically altered: girls look at one thing first and foremost: your pictures... shit, they won't even read your profile if they don't like what they see... Online, your personality matters for shit initially.

A girl online will receive about 50 messages a day, in my experience. Of these 50 guys, at least 5 will be good looking, and guess whose profiles the girl will read... it's brutal, but don't delude yourself, that's what happens... You can be sure that at least 1 or 2 of these 5 guys will be PUAs or naturals.. Girls don't have simultaneous conversations with 50 guys online... they set their mind on one or two of them, and just ignore the rest. A couple of decent PUAs in your area, and your online game is basically fucked unless you up the stakes...

Once you manage to meet the girls in person, the game changes completely however: you know that yourself ; you say you've been successful with good looking girls. But online, sadly, looks are king.

However, dukepua is right: you can partially make up for not having great looks if your pictures show you has a fun guy to hang out with, and they demonstrate your value. But again, your pics have got to be top notch. Show your more flattering angles, and as others have suggested: have one pic taken with great looking girls (and make sure to be at the centre of the pic). Have some pics of you doing exciting stuff and, this one may be surprising: have a pic of you taken in beautiful surroundings like a great landscape... like a moody and SPAM picture, even if you disappear in your surroundings and can hardly be recognised. A study done by OK Cupid has shown this type of pics to be one of the types the most highly rated by girls.


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. ... I won't lie - being a little chubby is a disadvantage, but it pales into insignificance compared with personality, and the way that you express yourself.
No it doesn't... Online the game is radically altered: girls look at one thing first and foremost: your pictures... shit, they won't even read your profile if they don't like what they see... Online, your personality matters for shit initially.

A girl online will receive about 50 messages a day, in my experience. Of these 50 guys, at least 5 will be good looking, and guess whose profiles the girl will read... it's brutal, but don't delude yourself, that's what happens... You can be sure that at least 1 or 2 of these 5 guys will be PUAs or naturals.. Girls don't have simultaneous conversations with 50 guys online... they set their mind on one or two of them, and just ignore the rest. A couple of decent PUAs in your area, and your online game is basically fucked unless you up the stakes...

Once you manage to meet the girls in person, the game changes completely however: you know that yourself ; you say you've been successful with good looking girls. But online, sadly, looks are king.

However, dukepua is right: you can partially make up for not having great looks if your pictures show you has a fun guy to hang out with, and they demonstrate your value. But again, your pics have got to be top notch. Show your more flattering angles, and as others have suggested: have one pic taken with great looking girls (and make sure to be at the centre of the pic). Have some pics of you doing exciting stuff and, this one may be surprising: have a pic of you taken in beautiful surroundings like a great landscape... like a moody and SPAM picture, even if you disappear in your surroundings and can hardly be recognised. A study done by OK Cupid has shown this type of pics to be one of the types the most highly rated by girls.
I dont know about your assertion here. And I 100% disagree that looks are king online. Looks do weight a bit more online, yes, but I do not think they are the heaviest factor. A scope of 5 people seems rather exaggerated. I will agree that they dont have 50 conversations because not even 50 guys usually have profiles worth anything. You're entitled to you opinion though. I dont consider myself the greatest looking guy and I have had girls who are better looking than me message back and forth with me before after viewing my profile. Now, I dont have the worlds greatest game and kinda messed it up but I had a healthy conversation going with several. I honestly think it's more about what your pictures say about you than how you look. If you look like you at least put some effort into your appearance I think you'll be fine if your game is good enough.


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No it doesn't... Online the game is radically altered: girls look at one thing first and foremost: your pictures... shit, they won't even read your profile if they don't like what they see... Online, your personality matters for shit initially.
Fair point - physical attractiveness is definitely more heavily weighted in getting a response online. However, as with real-life game, it's only really a way of getting your foot in the door.

As such, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being selective about the photos you choose to put on your profile. Girls do it all the time - many a hideously obese orca has managed to make herself look attractive by use of cunning camera angles, cropping and some heavy contrast. Why not play them at their own game??

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... I honestly think it's more about what your pictures say about you than how you look. If you look like you at least put some effort into your appearance I think you'll be fine if your game is good enough.
I'd put it in this order:

1. How you look
2. What your pics say about you (and yes, you're right, this can more than make up for number 1)
3. What you write

Do the experiment yourself: create a girl profile, and see what kind of messages you get... Some really good looking guys out there, with some very good game...

mPUAs pride themselves on looks not being important if you've got game... well... this is partly true, and partly a marketting trick to sell their methods to a wider, more in need audience.
But online, the balance of personality/value/looks that you find in real life gaming is altered.
Don't believe me? Do the experiement again: post 2 profiles: one with great looking pics and average description ; and one with average looks and great description... see which gets more answers.

Now, what you can do about your looks is limited to a certain extent... you can get a new wardrobe, get some styling advice, and workout... but at the end of the day, you've got the face you've got....
BUT: if there is one area you should work on in your online profile, it's your pics imo.
Before you even consider writing a profile, get some good pics: get some decent clothes & styling, and spend a couple of months carrying a camera with you wherever you go. Make use of all the pic opportunities.

We haven't touched upon this yet but: once a girl online has decided you're not worth it, she won't give you a second chance 6 months down the line unless you create a new profile (she's got your message history, and she can see she has rejected you).

It's worth getting it right the first time.


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No it doesn't... Online the game is radically altered: girls look at one thing first and foremost: your pictures... shit, they won't even read your profile if they don't like what they see... Online, your personality matters for shit initially.
Fair point - physical attractiveness is definitely more heavily weighted in getting a response online. However, as with real-life game, it's only really a way of getting your foot in the door.

As such, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being selective about the photos you choose to put on your profile. Girls do it all the time - many a hideously obese orca has managed to make herself look attractive by use of cunning camera angles, cropping and some heavy contrast. Why not play them at their own game??
I agree with this. You may get an initial response if youre better looking but if you dont say the right things it wont get you that far if you ask me. Like I said, I dont consider myself the greatest looking person but I've gotten responses many times from girls I considered to be better looking than me. I think what you have to say doesnt matter dick all because I think girls will at least skim it and look for key things also if you generate curiosity enough theres a chance you can make up for you not being brad pitt. So you have to make that count.


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... I honestly think it's more about what your pictures say about you than how you look. If you look like you at least put some effort into your appearance I think you'll be fine if your game is good enough.
I'd put it in this order:

1. How you look
2. What your pics say about you (and yes, you're right, this can more than make up for number 1)
3. What you write

Do the experiment yourself: create a girl profile, and see what kind of messages you get... Some really good looking guys out there, with some very good game...

mPUAs pride themselves on looks not being important if you've got game... well... this is partly true, and partly a marketting trick to sell their methods to a wider, more in need audience.
But online, the balance of personality/value/looks that you find in real life gaming is altered.
Don't believe me? Do the experiement again: post 2 profiles: one with great looking pics and average description ; and one with average looks and great description... see which gets more answers.

Now, what you can do about your looks is limited to a certain extent... you can get a new wardrobe, get some styling advice, and workout... but at the end of the day, you've got the face you've got....
BUT: if there is one area you should work on in your online profile, it's your pics imo.
Before you even consider writing a profile, get some good pics: get some decent clothes & styling, and spend a couple of months carrying a camera with you wherever you go. Make use of all the pic opportunities.

We haven't touched upon this yet but: once a girl online has decided you're not worth it, she won't give you a second chance 6 months down the line unless you create a new profile (she's got your message history, and she can see she has rejected you).

It's worth getting it right the first time.
I dont disagree with your assertion that looks matter the most online INITIALLY. As in generating initial attraction. What I disagree with is that a girl wont waste her time with you if you arent brad pitt. I think if you write a good enough opener and display enough value in your pics, it more than makes up for it. I've seen it happen in the online game with some of the people I know. In fact, the ugliest guy I know has had success with fairly attractive girls online. Like I said, I dont think you are wrong saying looks matter online but I think if you come strong with what you have to say even if you are somewhat lacking in the looks dept, you can still make up for it. You may not get top shelf girls but I think you can get some fairly cute ones.


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