RYE LEE wrote: Rye Lee, it's been weeks since he last textd her and she hasn't forgotten him.

Ace, you havent told us much about this girl. How old is she? Just the text messages from her reminds me of someone I know, also named Kelly. Twenty four when I met her. I know, women like a little drama in their lives, hence the success of the soap operas, but this one was different. Something wasn't quite right about her. As though she was absolutely starving for attention and doing a bad job at attracting it. She was a transparent drama queen always trying to be the center of attention no matter what the cost to anyone else. I get the same vibe about this one. Not as bad but it's still there and if I'm right, do you really want her? If I'm right, she will always make it all about her. There are a lot of other girls in the playground. You're a PUA now. You can have any one of them. I may be wrong about her but, I may be right.

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Thx bro, yeah lol i think thats the key to dhv/cocky funny/non-needy.

I think I have a good shot.

thx wolf. HAHA yeah ur right in a way all girls want attention but no she is really a kind hearted person, its just she is very stubborn at times.

Thx Rye and L.A. I appreciate the help from both of you. You guys are both great at what you do. I'm a little stumbled on what to do haha you both suggested different things. I'll see if she text messages me today, if she is very interested i think she will. I know that when i do deciede to contact her I should DHV/non-needy and use "Entertain me tell me an interesting story".

You guys have both provided me with great advice thank you both!

Dude, it's been four god damn months, waiting too long and her forgetting about him? lol Come on man. If she hadn't forgotten him in 4 months a few days isn't going to matter. This isn't some girl he just met in a bar, who's momentum he's trying to keep. Hell, even if she doesn't text him back, he's still better off. Either way, it's a win win situation for my good man.

Hell, I wouldn't text the girl till next week and just tell her you've been busy if she asks. Fuck it, make that bitch wait on you.

I think people are misunderstanding something here. Sure, she's not gonna forget he EXISTS, but she's gonna forget any feelings that he has managed to spark in her. Its called getting bored. If you don't run game on someone frequently enough, they forget the feelings that you evoke in them. This is not my own theory, it is a cold hard fact. Sure, sometimes waiting works well and I do it myself frequently.

Think of it like trying to get a good fire blazing; if the flames are really tiny you need to blow on the fire fairly regularly in order to get it going, but once they get to a decent size, you can walk away for half an hour and then come back and just toss a piece of wood on from time to time. If you don't blow on the flames regularly enough when it is first lit though, the flames just go out and you need to relight the fire.

She's not gonna forget he's there completely, but any sort of flames that might have been sparked yesterday are gonna die if left untended for too long, because she hasn't been stoked up enough yet and that blaze isn't gonna keep burning without his attention. This is the exact same reason why when you first get a number from a girl you don't usually wait more than 3 days, because whatever you may have sparked will probably have died down by then and now you need to start all over again.

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Okay, I can see everyone's point here, and I'm going to throw this out there instead of replying back on PM.

Dude, make her wait. What was one of the main reasons that she left you in the first place? Because you overly initiated contact. Girls fall into routines. She's already got a memory of your past routine (calling, texting, being too available) so don't spark that.

What Rye Lee says is absolutely correct and eloquently put, however...situationally... I'd wait until Friday. Go with the "tell me a story" thing or you can do a quick jab back at her for having this psychic episode foretelling of your immanent danger. If I were her, I'd get a laugh if you neg her with "I'm stuck in the basement of a burning building... did you feel that one coming?" or something with a bit more wit.

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On the subject of waiting vs. not waiting, I'm with Rye Lee on this. I see the point that he has to drastically break the frame he's set in place form his AFC actions in the past, but I don't think he'll have the oppurtunity to change that frame if he doesn't bait her a bit.

As for my two cents on the matter, be careful to make sure that it's you she's missing, and not just your attention. You need to create that attraction, so that she wants you back. I get the impression that she just misses having your txt messages to ignore, and enjoys you seeking out her attention.

Don't think you're in yet. She has a need for your attention, in a negative way, so you need to refocus that into a need for you, in a positive way.

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"A man has only one escape from his old self: to see a different self in the mirror of some woman's eyes." Clare Boothe Luce, The Women

I do see your point Rye, but I wonder if she's just yanking his chain.

"Yank" . . . get back here boy, pay attention to me.
"Ok" as he comes crawling.

In the present, she's in the driver's seat, and he has to change that. We have no idea why she texted him out of the blue. Sure, she said "suddenly" she was worried about him. I'm not even sure I buy that. It may be true. Or, it may also be true that some guy ripped her a new one, and she's coming to him because he's safe territory. In which case, he still can't cower down. He can be nice and sweet, but still needs to take control of his own frame, instead of her controlling his frame. I have no problem with him talking to her, but he can't be at her beckon call.

I know he's wanting to hook up with her Friday(tomorrow). But if he panders to her, he will have almost no chance of it, unless she's just willing to put out for anything. Because there's not any true attraction there. Otherwise she wouldn't have been ignoring his texts for the last 2 or 4 months, whichever it's been. He's been there "for" her the entire time and she's blown him off. She's not "suddenly" feeling attraction for him because of something he's done. Which means that he didn't light a flame within her at this moment that is about to go out if he doesn't keep it going.

Hence, the advice I've given him so far.

Thanks for the input dude.

Thanks rye, zip, and L.A, I get what you are all saying. I agree with all 3 of you, and I appreciate all of your help. If it wasn't for you guys I would have texted her again in the first place last night lol. I agree with what each and every one of you said.

Now, me analyzing the situation from what I know of her, is I think that she is honestly interested in me again, and wants to start talking to me. BUT there may be some underlying reason. In the past I have acted very AFC, and I've showed way to much neediness, so I think changing the flow of the relationship would be great. I think if I texted her back last night it would have showed neediness. Today she hasn't text messaged me as of yet, but then again it wasn't until about this time yesterday she texted me to being with. I think the major reason for this though is that she was expecting me to text her last night for SURE, and I'm sure shes thinking in her mind that i will text her today without a doubt. Only time though whether she is going to text me today or not.

Heres a little background just to clear things up. We went out for 2 years, we broke up maybe 2 times but for no more then 2 weeks. This has been the longest breakup yet/longest time with no contact. Within that time (before I started studying the PUA) I'd call her a lot and text message her and she wouldn't answer nor reply to my texts. Shes a kind person but VERY Stubborn, and she ended our relationship this last time. I was to needy, and clingy thats for sure. If only I could have known what I know now, but I can only change the future w/e.

Anyhow lol, I think I've played the situation quite well so far. We'll see if she texts me tonight. When I do in fact decide to contact her I will definitely say "I'm on my way to the hockey game, tell me a story, entertain me".

I appreciate everyones help and input thank you all!!

no txt yet lol..

I say you need to start your PUA life with a clean slate. Their are plenty of women out their that will give you the same feelings. If you're with something for two years and separated from it you will miss it. No matter what that thing is and so you need perspective. You can have this new independence and with that you should think about a new adventure. Friday is a date with the past and I would if in your shoes say fuck it I want to meet another girl.

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lol

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Women love teh attentionz.

Whether you text her today, tomorrow, in four months....or she texts you in five minutes...look at this situation. You are waiting on her. You are thinking about her. You are planning around her. If you were able to just get some advice and then wait it out, I'd say sarge away. But you are putting to much into this already.

I agree with T.W.O on this one. No matter what you tell yourself and whatever game you play, the best route is away from her.

If you are successful in your attempts, the only thing you are going to do is screw yourself up in the end. Once one-itis, always one-itis; a lot of times this is the case. Maybe it isn't for you. Are you willing to risk that?

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