K, dont worry so much bro, its her decision and you cant control it, the least you should be doing is worrying about it. all you gotta do is not be needy, keep fucking her good, pass shit tests, and have someone on the side(this is important) just carry on with the advice weve been giving you.

look, she sometime talks and thinks about her ex but she FUCKS you, dont let her words get to you, , shit tests, and promises just ignore all of that bullshit. focus on yourself

shes shit testing you more lately because youve been a bit needy weather you realize this or not, still this girl is waaay into you but you must immediately kill off the needy vibe.

dont talk to her about her ex or none of that new info youve learned, just carry on like nothing happened and get new girls to fuck
why does she think you "love" her, you suppose to like her. too much affection? too lovey dovey?

another thing. maybe you shouldnt talk to her friends about her it can make you look insecure if she finds out, jus sayin

kadak: who told you this info? Same guy you had drinks with that night at the bar? Why would he know so much information, with so much details?

I'm gonna read your post again, give it some thought, and then decide.

it s from a chat log.

i ve been freezing HB9 out for 2 days and i just got a text from her a few hours ago saying that she feels like kissing me and sent me lots of kisses.

i ma call her soon and tell her to hang out tomorrow.

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This doesn't surprise me, since she was in a very long relationship with him and broke up recently. In the end, if you don't get the girl, you can't beat yourself up about it because it wasn't your fault. Timing wasn't on your side, that's all.
Back in the "Contact her or keep freezing her out" thread, I told you I suspected he dumped her. You said it was the other way around. Doesn't change things a lot, don't worry about it.
How far away does he live? Any sex involved in their recent meetings that you know of?
Good sign
Probably said that because it's the perfect excuse to get rid of an orbiter. Don't pay much attention to that comment
Very good sign.
Probably because he has money, a good job and is a good provider. Do you bring any of that to the table? Do you have a job? Do you have ambition? The game only takes you so far.

I think you need to make her feel that you bring more to the table than just a lover. You don't want to become a full blown provider, since you'll never match her ex playing that game (he has tons of money). You just need to show her that you have ambitions, that you could play the provider role.

I would not let any of this change anything about your plan/strategy, though. As you can see, you froze her out for 2 days and she txted you. Now you can make plans with her for the weekend and fuck the living shit out of her.

After you've acted alpha and fucked her brains out, and acted in a dominant manner in the bedroom, then you can tone it down and cook her breakfast or something, or pay for dinner. A little beta is not always bad. But there's a difference between needy and beta.

This weekend you need to fuck her hard. I would definitely use the "that pussy belongs to me" line, and make sure you make her repeat it, both in English (or whatever language you guys speak) and in Russian. I'm serious, dude, that line is very powerful.

Women register everything you say to them during sex 3x as much as when you tell them things outside of the bedroom. So basically if you tell her that her pussy belongs to you and no one else during sex, it's 3x more likely that she'll believe it.

snillheart's advice is good.

- It's her decision and in the end you can't control it.
- Keep fucking her good (crucial!)
- Don't be needy
- Actions speak louder than words
- keep passing (or ignoring) her shit tests

I may add something later.

Keep us posted

I took your advice guys. Thanks a lot, great help!
Here is what's been going on since this SOS update:

Thurday: She came over, she was literally running, so she would not be late. She cooked for me. We had great sex twice, used the russian thing, and "that pussy belongs to me line". I came in her mouth, she automatically swallowed, lol.

Friday: I guess she met her ex, because she was at that town where he lives. Its about 1 hour away from here. I have no idea weather or not they had sex, I like to beleive they didn't but I don't really care. It'd be stupid to worry about somthing I don't know.

Saturday night: and this is crazy. We met up, went to this thermal pool party, huge one. Thousand ppl, Great DJs. So we were in this pool with about 200 ppl, so crowded that ppl were pushed agains each other. And we ended up having sex there, in the middle of the pool lots of ppl around us. Everyone was drunk, but I'm sure some ppl noticed us, even tho we were tricky. She was really loud but the music was lauder. When she came, she scrathed my back so hard that I it was bleeding a bit. Than we went to a toilet cabin, had sex for another 30 mins but I couldn't come. Than back to the pool, and as I couldn't keep it hard anyome I fingered her ass and pussy and she came again. Than I could finally finish when we were back home at my place.

Sunday: she had some stuff to do, than she got back to my place again. Watched a DVD, had some great sex again.

Monday: today. She left in the morning to work and a few hours later she sent me some kisses tru text.

Over the weekend, she told me that she meets her ex sometimes as 'friends' because he cares about her so much and constanly wants to make sure she is ok. Sneaky. She also told me that she never has multiple partners at the same time (was a bit of a shit test, but I ignored it). But she was also telling me that she is never getting back with anyone, no 2nd chance for anyone. Than why the hell isn't she my GF?
I don't really know. I try to keep my interest level below hers. Igonre messages. I let her miss me.
I have lots of savings she knows that, and I'm currently looking for a job, and also I'm working in my own business now, but I'm selling it. I know that her ex has more money, so I will just show off a bit now. I'll freeze her out for 2 days and than take her to a trip by a nice lake and a forest. Nice hotel also. It's a surprize, but I told her to be avalable for me from Friday-Sunday. She is excited. I know it's a huge "push", coz I'm paying, but I just wanna try this one to show her that I'm well off. It will be surprise. And it's beta as fuck. I'll try to do it the cool alpha way tho. I was abroad last week for a business trip, so I'm making her sense that I'm good.


So if I lose this girl... I've done everything I could. If she turns me off at the end, than I'll just hard next her and break all contact.

I prevously told her that I never talk to my ex GFs. She SAYS that she's over her ex (lie, contrary to the chat log), and never gives anyone a 2nd chance. But they talk / meet sometimes. Let's say she will eventually want to be my GF. Now in that case I would relly want to tell her, that now that she's chosen me, she has to break all contact with her ex. What do you guys think? I really think it is necessary to pull a line here. But it's also a very needy and insecure thing to do. But I'm a fucking man, so I have to set up some rules for a relationship. What are your thoughs on this?

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Yet her chat log says she is considering going back with her ex.
Sounds like a great plan. It's not bad to be a little beta from time to time.
Cross that bridge when you get there, but you are entitled to think that way. If you are not ok with her talking to her ex, then you should let her know. But whatever you do, stick with your decision.

Let her know that you are not doing it because you are jealous, but because you think it's disrespectful. Make it all about respect. That's what I've done so far, and it has worked every time.

You also need to let her know that you are not afraid to lose her. Because if you tell her that she's not allowed to see her ex, and she sees him, then you need to dump her. Get it? Don't forbid her to see her ex if you won't dump her if/when she sees him.

But again, cross that bridge when you get there.

PS: The pool/party story is awesome. Complete Alpha on your behalf. Mad props.

Good idea I guess.

I'm going to have to think about what I would do in this situation.

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theres a reason she said no to being your girlfriend. She is so loving the way everything is right now. she enjoys the sex how it is, the dates how they are, and she likes everything as it is. She is just happy how everything is right now and doesn't want to rush into a relationship to make sure thing stay the way they are right now. When you get into a relationship, everything is perfect but over time things will get dull. She just wants to make sure you aren't going to get dull so she doesnt spend ANOTHER five years with a guy. So basically shes super into you, and you have nothing to worry about. If she decides that she is down for a relationship then she will tell you but don't pressure her, i made that mistake. Live it up like a king and fuck her like a champ. Life is smooth sailing for you man

I would say that was true ^^^ however shes meeting her ex.....

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No matter how charming, suave, charismatic, and sweet you are to this girl, nostalgia is too strong. Many girls have the "Grass is greener" syndrome, and it's their downfall in the long run.

I went through this SAME exact scenario almost two years ago. Her friends told her they liked me more than any other boyfriend she's had, I fucked her like an Olympian, I bought her flowers just because I felt like it. You name it, I put an "A+" on it.

BUT...she got out of a relationship three months before I met her and she'd never let it go. They were never official, and I asked her before I dated her if she was still seeing him. She said no, but...

She texted him, called him, even took career advice from him. One time she even put him on speaker phone when he called. Yeah, it didn't make it any more tolerable to me.

You, and every other guy out there putting his heart and emotions and feelings on the line, are better than this. You deserve better.

Does she know you know all this? If she does, and she's done nothing about it to make you feel better, she's shown her true colors and you need to bail.

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Although a lot of people in this community may disagree. My best friend has been with his GF for 3 years now. At the START, her ex was calling her etc...

And he just said.

What's are you doing? He's your ex, you shouldn't be talking to him. Do I talk to my ex? NO, would you want me talking to her? NO. ex's are ex's for a reason. end of.

And she then said sorry, and she never spoke to him again.


Works diff with different girls. Fucking ex's piss me off sometimes!

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Although a lot of people in this community may disagree. My best friend has been with his GF for 3 years now. At the START, her ex was calling her etc...

And he just said.

What's are you doing? He's your ex, you shouldn't be talking to him. Do I talk to my ex? NO, would you want me talking to her? NO. ex's are ex's for a reason. end of.

And she then said sorry, and she never spoke to him again.


Works diff with different girls. Fucking ex's piss me off sometimes!

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What I'm guessing your best friend did that many people, including me, should've done is put the relationship's terms on the line. And if they weren't to his liking, he would walk. She knew it, and she complied.

It's far better to go through a relationship on your terms than to compromise. And ever since I experienced it, if she calls my bluff, I walk.

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update

What ever happened with the Russian chick?