By Roosh

"I was talking to a girl in the club for two hours. I'm not sure if
I really liked her or not, but the club was closing and there was
no way her group of five friends would let me take her home.

"It was very nice meeting you," I said. I made it seem like this
was my goodbye.

"Hey why don't you give me your number?" she said.

"Why? So you can call me on the phone?"

"Umm yeah," she said.

"I'm not going to give you my number. Since I'm the man, I'll take
yours, I guess."

"You guess???"

I smiled and took out my cell phone. Even if she didn't offer the
number I could've gotten it anyway, but now it will be harder for
her to blow me off or flake afterwards since she put herself out
there and showed interest in such a strong way.

I believe that if two people like each other they shouldn't want to
part ways after just an hour or so. Instead they should choose to
continue the conversation onto a second location, wherever that may
be. But there is always logistical issues or "social norms" that
leaves the number as the only option left.

When guys get numbers, they get excited and see it as a potential
notch or prospect. I have heard many guys get a number and say,
"I'm glad I'm not going home empty handed!" While numbers have
potential, they have zero inherent value. Those guys are still
going home empty handed.

In fact, I believe a number has negative value because of the time
you will spend trying to contact her, and the money you will spend
on a date or two until you can figure out if she's trying to have
sex or not. A number only has value if there's a certainty that
calling the number will lead to a sexual encounter. If every number
always led to a lay would I be inclined to accept that numbers have
worth.

Until we get to that imaginary point, we can increase the value of
numbers by changing the way we get them. By showing reluctance in
getting the number and not making it the end itself, we actually
increase the likelihood that the number will lead to something.

Next time when you have to say goodbye to the girl and you've
exhausted your options to take the conversation somewhere else,
give her an opportunity to show interest and offer the number
before you have to do it. You do this by ending the conversation
with "It was really nice meeting you" and shutting up. If she does
like you, she will squirm and get anxious, and probably make a move
like the girl above did.

If she doesn't offer the number outright she may give you a mild
compliment, which she hopes will encourage you to ask for it. And
even if she doesn't make any move, you can still get the number if
you want by doing what you normally do. Your options always remain
open.

We are using a similar idea that religions and cults use. To commit
members to the cult, simply make them do enough pro-cult actions
which they can't rationalize as anything else but undying love for
the cult. The more work she puts into you, the more likely she will
like you (she can't rationalize otherwise), and the more likely she
will have sex with you.

What's even more important than getting a number is knowing what to
do with it. You don't want to spend all that time meeting a girl
only to blow it when you try to set a date.

I remember when I went on a number collecting spree for six months
just to practice phone game. I was tired of it costing my notches
and didn't get very far with using e-mail. I tested everything I
could, even seemingly basic things like the best times to call,
until I settled on the most optimal system that resulted in the
greatest number of first dates"

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great approach to the number game. the whole reluctant thing definitely has DHV and can also go the cocky funny route.

I am curious as to what system you found worked best for phone game. It is definitely the most tedious part of the game with plenty of room for failure. You find any rules out that are fool proof, or just some guidelines you" most of the time" follow?

Yeah, thats the whole idea to DHV and decrease the chances of a girls flaking on you.

I dont have a specific system i use, with me everything depends on the level of attraction i felt we had prior to the number close... like if i feel a chick was really attracted to me, if I made a high enough impression on her, I would text her the very next day to set up a date, why wait right? Im not up for texting a girl for weeks and not even attempt to close, Nope I go for broke as soon as i can.Thats my frame.Plus Im not a huge fan of Fone game all that much i just use the fone or facebook to set up dates. I recently read a thread on here By i.e Brian Bond on Facebook approach and i've incorporated it in my fone game and it suited my C/F style.

Hope it help Bro, and happy hunting.

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