So I met this guy in Berlin going out.
Built rapport , kino with him and kiss closed.
He was really into me telling me a hundred times he would come and visit me cuz he was going there with friends anyway,..

He wanted to instantly add me on facebook couldnt find me so I gave him my number. He then texted me that I should add him on facebook.

I added him and he initiated a conversation. First he was really interested but interest is now fading. I have started conversation 3 ttimes and I fuckeeeeed up third time.
I figured because I started conversation 3 times in a row and was joking about marriage and stuff It was time for me to show im not that interested etc so I negged him and then he said he would leave cuz he is fucking tired but he is still online...
I figured it was because of the neg so I complimented him calling him gorgeous but he gave me a BYEBYE as in farwell methinks . what do I dooooooo here is the latest things we said..


he:
I play handball!

Me:
my cousin (girl) plays that
thats niceee
handball is nt a good workout though I guess [:P]

he:
no [:D]
tzatzaa tzaa

me:
whahahaha
tzatzaa tzaa?

he:
i gotta go anyyway
i´m just fucking tired

me:
fucking even
I was just kidding as usuales
but I understand your tired
sleep tight gorgeoussssssss

he:
^BYEBYE
Einde chatgesprek

What do I dooo please help . I like this guy and he seems done with me.
he is still online this sucks. what line can I throw at him to catch his attention.
Im clueless cuz I realize its done...

I don't think that you fucked up. I think that maybe he found another girl, Or just didn't have much game to begin with. Either way, dating is a numbers game. What works well usually doesn't work well all the time. If you keep at it, you'll find a guy that will buy into you.

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Thanks for your answer.
that sucks though. I like this one and he seemed really into me at first . Guess starting conversation again only makes things worse because Ill come off as a stalker. Im trying to learn from this understanding what went wrong. I negged him too much I guess.Pity our last convo started of strong and I managed to totally mess things up .

I started by saying Im bored entertain me .
And he said Im entertained bore me ....

So we were joking and he told me he studies sport and I told him.. you dont really look sporty:p

then we proceeded talking and I said I thought it was weird how his parents never visited his house in 1.5 of him living alone with his parents living only an hour from him.

I also told him he isnt as grown up as he thinks he is.

then I told him his job is not hard work.

He also told me dont be so aggressive today honey [;)]

Maybe I was just too much of a bitch and hurt his feelings?
but I also compliment him and when I do its lovely compliments.

Trying to see where I went wrong here because the initial attraction was there.When I first met him I just wanted to hook up but he made it clear he wanted to get to know me ---

Learning from this or the future , should I perhaps be more nice in future ?

It just struck me .

Should I ask him for jokes

what are you wearing ?

Im quite the joker and If a girl says it its not pervy but funny I guess.

Shoud I or should I not?

are you a girl or a gay man ?

Girl

He probably has other girls to choose from. You can catch his attention by not talking to him and not giving him any compliments.

Thanks for your advice ! I will not talk to him he wont talk to me and that will be the end. I am going to follow your advice though . Figure asking him what are you wearing even jokingly sounds desperate and makes things even worse. I will move on.

X

Women don't have to game men!

If a man is interested in you he will respond to your messages. You can't really increase his attraction based on PU tactics because we are wired differently then women. A few times in the past women have been very easy for me to get with and I lost interest in them after about 1 week. Also if you are overly aggressive, I have personally let women go because I feared they were crazy. Try to keep conversation simple and brief. If he doesn't start carrying the coversations, it means he is not into you.

don't know if the op is hb10 or not, but UGLY women have to game men

cruel but true

First part is worst advice possible here in my opinion. If this guy has got other girls to choose from, he's going to do what most men do and try hardest with the one's that A) He feels are most attractive to him (physically and mentally) and B) He feels will be (derogative as it'll sound) easiest to 'get', bearing in mind this could be 1-night stand or relationship or anything in-between, we don't know for sure what he wants. Everyone like's a bit of a challenge but if you completely ignore him he's just going to think 'oh well, she's not interested, next'.
I'm basing this not only on myself and how I'd be in his shoes, but just about every guy I know what act this way in this circumstance.

An approach like SmoothOp suggested I think would be best, keep the convo's simple, tease him a little but tone it down a notch, give him the odd compliment but tone them down aswell (rather than say he's gorgeous comment on his dress-sense/his tattoo's/his talent) something he's intentionally done/worked to be good at rather than just being handsome. These are universal compliments that both men and women love to get (especially talent ones) because they feel like it's been earned by their work on it.

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If a man is interested in you he will respond to your messages. You can't really increase his attraction based on PU tactics because we are wired differently then women

I have had this discussion over and over again-

PU skills can prove itself extremely effective for women even if we are wired differently than men.
I am going to answer this in detail because I want to make it clear once and for all women can be PUAS. I am sick and tired of men saying women can’t be.


Why I a HB8 became a PUA.

In the past I used to never get approached by men
This affected my confidence ,made me really insecure and even more shy.
This insecurity and shyness affected my entire life - the way I approached it.


Thanks to PU I realised why I never Got Approached and could change this

- I used to be the girl dancing on the dancefloor surrounded by my friends that just go out to have fun. Guys tune into this and notice you don’t want to get approached .Add my overly dominant behaviour and guys are scared to even look at me.

-Also thanks to PU I found out why the few men I attracted were freaks or delta men , because of my overly dominant behaviour and appearance, alpha men are afraid to be demasculated by me . I have now managed to tone this down. Still men are sometimes intimidated by me.Because if I am your type I am quite beautifull and beauty can be intimidating .


Now that I know why I never get approached - I can change this , most probably changing my entire future - getting married to a husband who would be my slave- a loser - to probably getting with a succesfull alpha husband.


The Real main reason why I got into PU

Real Reason I learn PU IS because I want to build a more attractive lifestyle -I am really shy by nature. I continuously push myself out of my shell to broaden my horizons. This is not about getting with guys it’s about changing your life by becoming more social and taking total control of my life. When I will meet that one guy for me, I will be ready for him ,because I will have gotten practice with lots of other men. This way he won’t slip away because of my insecurities .For example me being all shy not knowing what to say in the conversation when he is a total 10 alpha....will result in losing his attention and eventually losing him.

My life without PU – DETAIL-

A typical night out in the club- I am on the dancefloor with my girls.-I am looking like a Boss. And that’s the problem – guys are utterly intimidated.

If I get lucky one night a drunk 7 approaches me-his breath smells like beer. He makes conversation and its totally boring -the guy just wants to get with me becuase besides my looks I got nothing- I’m bored - he is -I dont want to kiss because his breath smells and he is boring –

The night proceeds, All night I have been staring at an 8 , he barely notices me . Not even when I walk past him 5 times make eye contact all night . And smile until I get muscle pains in my jaw.

The guy that doesn’t notice me - even If I am peacocking might just not notice me because he simply does not notice me .

In the past I would go home feeling miserable and ugly because he had not noticed me. Not knowing he perhaps hadn’t approached me because I was on the dancefloor and he was insecure about his dancing skills. Or he simply just didn’t see me , and had he , perhaps he would have liked me.

Not too even mention the hottest men in clubs – I figured I had no chance with them whatsoever.Being scared of arrogant comments made by the girls that surrounded them – and lacking in total confidence after never really being approached by anyone.

Why getting HG(Hotguy) 8+ Women will need serious PU skills.

HG 8.5 , 9 , 9.5 and 10 are the alpha males standing in the nightclubs surrounded by hot women . They are cool guys and they dont care about anything. These guys dont approach women , they get approached
These guys dont need you - they dont need anybody- making them want you for more than one night requires a lot of skills. -seduction- Pu skills-My looks HB8- give me a chance to get with the creme de la creme .

Getting with HG 7.5-8 – With PU skills- facilitating process

Now I have got way more 7.5-8 approaching me because I made my body language more approachable and am looking more submissive ( I am very dominant looking also and toned it down in my appearance) lightened my hair arched submissive brows I look down alot etc etc –

I am feeling more confident because I know I can get with HG8+ - HG 7.5-8 tune into my good vibes ,this results in an increase in approach which gives me even more increased confidence – which makes me feel good. Being approached by decent looking men is a DHV which gives me more chance with HG10 what I utterly aim for.

I enjoy attention of the increased approach immensely .
My goal is NOT sleep with these guys.
But for them to love me – like me a lot -
I thrive on making men fall in love with me . I am addicted to the feeling men give me when they are totally intrigued by me, I love the attention and love it when they find me special and different then all the other girls they have ever met before. I look them in the eyes ( basically I project love feelings I NLP etc) . Men are falling for me.

I neg them – I compliment them rarely – but when I do its heaven , It’s a great compliment , I mean it it’s not one of those standard compliments.
I build lots of kino and rapport- I seduce them – I tease- Look them deep in the eyes-Ask them for advice-trigger their protective instinct- listen to them- try doing things(how men bond more)
When I have proper approached him gone up to him – I will make sure to give out submissive body language – and to let him lead all the rest—I do not use direct approach because it is intimidating-
Etc etc many PU works perfectly for women.

Also I am bisexual so what I can not use on men I use on women.


Women actually make the first Move -

Also I would like to make you all aware that, whenever you think you have made the first move, you have actually not .The girl actually often makes the first move .She will usually have smiled at you first , established eye contact first, opened her body language in a way that makes you feel like you can approach her.For example if I sit with my arms folded , feet crossed and I have a frown on my face and I don’t look at you or nothing, there is a big chance you won’t approach me- depending on my total behavior you will decide to approach me or not.


Change of Lifestyle – Taking Control---PUA--

Now I take total control - I approach the men I want , that way I get what I want and not whatever approaches me.
Yes I get rejected sometimes, but that’s part of it.
Ofcourse I can’t do everything that is in PU because the game is a bit different. But nobody does that anyway.

We all find things that work for us and ideally use those to create our own game based on PU. I’m now exploring what is effective to do on men and what isn’t.

That is why I am trying to ultimately learn from every single conversation and every single experience I have with men - where did I go wrong -where right - what drove them crazy-

So that I can offer them a refreshing experience – being something different.
I have A LOT to learn still, and what better place than on a Forum surrounded by Male Puas.


I hope I have somewhat managed to change some of you guys minds on this matter Because Female PUAS do exist

Musterion thanks for your advice. So what can I do to rekindle things?
I figured I could get his attention by saying - what are you wearing baby ?
and then just joke and later say I am wearing a sweater and jeans or smt ..

Or what could I say ?
x

If I were you (if I were a girl trying to pick up a guy, there's a nightmare waiting to happen when I go to bed) I'd ease into a general fluff conversation, then go into some baiting styled questions, where you give him a taste of interest but it's all a bit tongue in cheek. Here's a convo I had with a girl the other day, we'd been chatting about a few random topics beforehand then I mentioned I was getting my first tattoo the next day, she said she'd had a few and actually liked the pain, so I took that and ran with it....I'll point a couple things out I did along the way....

Me: you liked the pain? that just casts my mind back to dirty [her name] from earlier [:P] This is reference to her having sent me a dirty joke a few days before, in-jokes are great

Her: haha it is!!

Me: now you're making me think all sorts of crazy thoughts...quit it! Telling her she's making me think crazy thoughts and to stop is the 'bait', crazy thoughts could be anything but the idea is to plant a little seed that makes her wonder what I'm actually thinking

Her: i haven't said nawt [:)] She kinda brushes it off

Me: your silence says it all I throw more bait

Her: says what ? [:P] The bait is taken, here's where the flirtation etc starts

Me: you’re trouble [:P]

Her: explain? haha

Me: don't tempt me woman!

Her: i want to knowww

Me: na i think i'm gonna leave you to ponder [:)]

Her: pffft [:P]

Me: don't go getting stropy with me young lady [:P] you can't go having everything you want now [;)]

Her: flutter my eyelashes and i get it [:P]

Me: just you try it missy [:P]

Notice how her responses panned out? She kept prying several times, before saying "pffft" as though she doesn't care, then when I make the quip about her not getting what she wants she hits back with saying she'll flutter her eyelashes and get it. The great thing about this is it builds up an emotional response where she isn't getting what she wants (me to explain what I'm thinking) but it transgresses past that so it's generally about not getting what she wants.
You could maybe go as far to say that this associates me to her as being something/one she is gonna have to work for, but I've shown a bit of interest in the flirtation to suggest I'm attainable, but that's just my theory

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