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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:07 pm 
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every relationship sucks ..

you constantly need to work at improving shit..

it can be by talking to her.. or by gaming other woman so you are less needy...

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every relationship sucks ..

you constantly need to work at improving shit..

it can be by talking to her.. or by gaming other woman so you are less needy...
Ehh.. except for the ones that don't suck. Once you have tight relationship game then the drama goes away nearly completely. Yeah, it actually takes a bit of work, at first, and some practice, but all this stuff is learn-able. Hell, my current relationship is awesome (going on a year and four months now).

The truth of the matter is that guys are way more concerned with learning how to GET girls than they are with actually keeping them. Getting a girl is easy.. anybody can learn to fake being an alpha male / social robot for a date or two or three. Becoming the guy who can rock a sustainable drama-free relationship, on the other hand, requires most guys to overcome the social conditioning they have been indoctrinated with from a very young age. That's not so easy.

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requires most guys to overcome the social conditioning they have been indoctrinated with from a very young age. That's not so easy.

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tips? :)

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requires most guys to overcome the social conditioning they have been indoctrinated with from a very young age. That's not so easy.

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Well, I think the underlying reason this forum exists is to come together and figure out what actually works as opposed to what society tells us should work. For me, reading the forums has been a huge help (specifically, the old MASF relationship forums.. I didn't find this place until that one became a ghost town). Here's a list of some of the more influential posts (I am standing on the shoulders of giants):

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php? ... -old-forum

Obviously, there is no magic bullet. Everybody's situation is a little bit different. What we DO know is that society is very bad at preparing guys to handle dating and relationships. That's why we're all here. So now what we have to do is figure out all our bad habits ("dumb-guy mistakes") and fix them. If I had to narrow down some core advice that I have internalized since joining this community it would be this:

1) Learn to screen. Personally, I like the "Freaks, Hoes and Good Girls" classifications that have been around for awhile. Different women look for different things in relationships. Learn how to spot the different types of girls and treat them accordingly. Don't try to have a serious relationship with a freak unless you really know what you're doing.

2) Learn how to lead. Be confident and make decisions whenever possible. Most girls are indecisive and hate being the ones to make decisions in relationships. Submissiveness is a feminine trait and being in a submissive role makes most girls feel sexy. Don't argue with your girlfriend. Guys handle conflict logically while women handle conflict with their emotions. Arguing doesn't work and it only rewards bad behavior by giving her your attentions (which is what girls want most). Either change her emotional state (ideally, by having sex with her) or, if she is in the wrong, leave or ignore her until she cools down. Never accept ultimatums.

3) Be congruent. Know what you want and act accordingly. Set up your expectations early and stick to them. If a girl is a FB, then don't treat her like a girlfriend. Don't lie. Lying is beta behavior. Don't promise monogamy if you don't intend on being monogamous.

4) Know that nothing lasts forever. Monogamous relationships are mostly set up to fail. When we first meet somebody who we are attracted to, our bodies release strong hormones / endorphins when we are around them. However, this effect mellows out over time. The strong reaction lasts a good 2-3 years.. more if you have kids (think "seven year itch"). Sure, some people get passed it and have life-long marriages, but it typically isn't their sexual passion keeping them together (it's common bonds and comfortableness.. you see this work really well with 2 people who are equally co-dependent). Be prepared.

5) Always bring your A-game to the bedroom.. always try and keep sex passionate, interesting and frequent. Mix it up as much as you can. Be dominant and don't be afraid to treat her roughly.. most girls love that stuff. Get toys and restraints and anything else you can think of to add some variety to your sex life. Do some research and learn how to make a girl squirt. Learn how to properly introduce and perform anal sex. Talk to her about sex and learn about her fantasies. Be the guy that allows her to fulfill those fantasies. Touch her all the time.. as often as possible.

6) Don't fail shit tests! Don't ever show jealousy (and/or just don't get jealous of other guys.. that's beta). Don't tolerate or reward bad behavior. Giving her attention when she acts out or picks a fight is BAD. Do, however, reward good behavior (this is part of leading well). Don't be that pussy-whipped guy who can never hang out with his friends. Don't be her psychologist or the one she constantly complains to (that's what her female friends are for). You should be the guy who makes her forget all the bad stuff.. a vacation from the troubles in her life. Avoid being around her when she's in a negative state and refuses to get out of it.

How is that for tips? If you want i can make a whole different post about all the BAD stuff society teaches us: That there's only 1 girl for every guy. That the best thing anybody can do is to settle down, get married and have kids (and live happily ever after). That woman need to be won and put on a pedestal. Guys should pay for everything. You need to be rich or famous to get lots of women. Non-monogamous relationships are weird and/or immoral. I could go on and on.

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Wolf - start your own thread in the relationships section 'Wolfs tips' or whatever. Keep talking dude...


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Fair enough.. I can give it shot. I'll put something together in a day or two.

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Good old fashioned reminder! 8)

It seems like people these days forget us men work, we provide, we are strong and who is in charge of keeping the relationship fun? us men we have to make the date and do all the stuff... so we are really in charge! this means nothing other than we are the one who needs to be picking and choosing because we are the prize :!: :!:


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Great thread!


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If I just keep DHV in the forefront of my mind before I impulsively act or say something, at least I know that my chances are better than just simply "acting from my heart"...which involves things like attitude of plenty. While I would love to be dating many different women right now to convey that attitude, that is not the case at the moment. Sure I am dating here and there, and have had great sex with them,but I cannot say that I that I feel abundant. So if say I am stuck on a girl, and find myself wanting to say something that may convey DLV...I stop, think through what the actual message is really saying, and if it does not convey any DHV, at minimum I don't do ANYTHING...and go from there.


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AMEN!


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Thats alot of time to invest in just one aspect of life though.

If u can master women and relationships. that could take years, there's also careers, kids, hobbies, finances,

U might have plenty of women but nowhere to take them.

I agree most people dont meet enough different types of people to know what they want or need, but that's cause they are developing other areas of their life.

If picking up women is your main goal in life, then this is a great advice thread.

Most people have a few things going on though. Dont take this as an attack but an observation.


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There is truth in your words, but no real advice for the new guys nor the unexperienced. All you are basically saying is: stop begging, meet lots of girls and THEN look for a girlfriend.

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... meet lots of girls and THEN look for a girlfriend.
Thats exactly what I'm saying.

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