hi
i've opened 2 threads about this 27yo russian hb9 before. we ve been seeing each other for 2 months now, holding hands in public, she introduced me to all her friends, sex has been amazing. i got a few signals during the last few weeks (her saying that her friends would be happy if we were a couple, her asking if i m seeing anyone, etc). so i was thinking that "making it official" was just a formality. but no!

here is what i did. yesterday she came over, suprised me with some cookies she just made for me, we had a bottle of wine, than had some amazing sex for about an hour. she had 2 squirting orgasms, i came also. so we were just laying there, cuddling, talking, so i asked
"we havent talked about this before, but its me who has to bring this one up.. how would you like to be my gf?"
than she smiled, kissed me and jokingly said "maybe i will wanna be" than added "i will decide tomorrow".
i was like " ok, but this offer expores in 30 minutes"
she said that she would decide the following day anyway.


wtf is this? after this i was keeping it cool, but tried to give her much more space for sleeping that she needed. what do i do form here? freezout? keep pushing? maybe i should just try to forget about her... might be just playing with me... to make it more complex friday is her bday, and i m invited to her party. she also invited me to an other event for next week also...

additional info is that she dumped her ex after 5 years just 4-5 months ago. and this hb9 still has many many pictures on her facebook of this dude.

can you guys pls give me advice for all 3 possible scenarios?
1) if she doesnt mention this again, acts like nothing happened
2) says no (ok, i just wont see her again)
3) says yes, but its not the same as saying yes right away...

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She should be the one asking you for a relationship stop being needy. I can't recall anytime where I was the one asking to be exclusive sounds like she's leaving her options open.

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you fukt this up man hopefully youll learn, my guess shes not gonna bring it up and neither should you...ever, so ya that implies act as if nothings different.

when she asks you "are you seeing anyone else?" it means 2 things

1. shes thinking about a relationship with you

2. shes shit testing you because shes slippin into relationship mode

kinda like when girls become attracted they shit test you to verify this attraction, you have to pass to make the attraction "real" if not the girl becomes turned off. This is exact same shit shes shit testing you because she feels it.

hb: are you seeing anyone else?
you: kino escalate while SARCASTICALLY saying as if its a joke "no baby your the one and only for forever and even in heaven"

PASS

rite now your doing the same shit i did about 6 months ago and i lost her because of neediness and i didnt even ask her out like you did...be on your guard, remember negs? use them. keep gaming her hard yo

be cool. shes interested in you so she just testing you. i think she just want you to convince her more or something like that. don't be too needy or she'll just tease you more.

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Damn, K, you had everything going on for you. You followed my advice, and the woman was coming all over your sheets, initiating communication, asking you out, meeting her friends, sleeping over. I told you not to ask her about exclusivity, at least not yet, but you didn't fucking listen.

She definitely has the upper hand in the relationship. Forget about what you have to do now, and then tomorrow, and then the day after. This is a war... the War of who's in control, the War of who has the upper hand.

Before you asked this question, it was a tie.

You need to NEVER talk about exclusivity with this woman EVER AGAIN. You need to go back and start doing what you did at the beginning of the 'relationship': fuck her like a porn star, be aloof, in control. Heck, go re-read all your threads and ignore what everyone else says except me. You might get an epiphany.

And, dude, if you haven't started incorporating dirty talk into your sessions you might as well forget about this woman. Seriously. Read my fucking thread on How to fuck like an Alpha Male.

If I were you I would pull this woman's hair so hard while I'm fucking her up the ass and would tell her "that ass is mine, you hear me? Your ass belongs to me *SPANK*"

It's not too late. Don't bring it up. Do something fun and fuck her brains out like it was the last time you were gonna fuck her. She needs to come 10 times. Sex needs to be kinky. Dirty talk, please. Alcohol, etc.

Please keep me posted, and feel free to ask any questions.

Thanks a lot for all the contributions!

I seriously don't know what the fuck went wrong. She was even jealous at her own female friends talkin to me a few days ago. And I didn't propose her or anything I was just asking if she waneted to be my GF. So myabe she likes fucking other ppl too... or has feelings for her ex, or somebody else. Should I ask about it?? I don't know why she didn't answer.

We spent every weekend together for the last 1 month, she contantly makes plans with me, never flaked, never ignored one single call / text. She's always available for me.

So she didn't answer my question as she promised (within 24 hours) about the relationship thing. I didn't come up with it again.

Yesterday I was out drinking with a friend. She wrote me on facebook that she bought 2 tickets for us for next week (for some event). Than she texted me that she misses me, I replied that I just miss her big spoon (inside joke referring to sleeping). Than at 10pm she texted me again
"If you had to describe your last month in just 1 word, what would it be?"
I was drunk as hell and I ignored that one. But wtf was I supposed to answer to this one?? text her back: "you, HB9" NOT!

So now I just called her a few mins ago (its her b-day today), and she was a bit angry at me for not replying her text mssg. So tonight she's coming over, I'm making her dinner, and giving her the present I bought for her b-day.

OK, I will never bring up the idea of relationship again. I might as well go out sarging, or hit on her friends tomorrow on her b-day party. But then there is a danger that if she becomes jealous again I would say "hey shut up, you are not even my GF".

So far for the last 2 months I did everything to not be needy. I even frooze her out for 9 days once. I'm getting tons of shit tests and I think I'm passing them. I don't text her a lot really. I'm not really negging her, I'm just beaing really cocky and funny.

Pryor, I've lightly started using your sex strategies and I really liked the ones you wrote somewhere (like your pussy belings to me, I wanna see you grow a bush, etc). Dirty talk, I'm applying them slowly but surely.

It's like I have nothing to lose now. What should the overall strategy be now? Act like nothing happened? Become a bit more distant? Show her that I have other options? Something else?

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She doesn't want to exclusive, I suggest you slightly make her jealous by flirting with girls. Be careful with this. Also do it in front of her in mild doses. You doing this should get her ass in gear and she will bring up the relationship talk.

Also if you are with this women all the time who cares if you don't have a label! I would be happier then a pig in shit if I was in this situation. You have all the benefits with none of the drawbacks.

What did u get her for her bday?

I think she doesn't want to be in a relationship just yet because she broke up with her ex just recently, and it was a long term thing. She really likes you, and would love to be your gf, but it may be too soon for that. She may be afraid of something. THings change when people become bf&gf.

Smooth Op is right. If you are with her all the time, holding hands in public, going out on Friday & Saturday, etc, why do you need the label?

She doesn't like fucking other people, don't be ridiculous. I don't think she's fucking her ex anymore, unless she's a nympho. Don't ask about it.
Enough said. Actions speak louder than words dude.
Major shit test. If you couldn't come up with something, best thing to do was ignore her. Don't play into her frame.
Nah, don't say that. Act as if you don't care about the relationship thing. No big deal. If she becomes jealous, just deny everything "I wasn't flirting with XxX"... "you are imagining things" ... "don't be silly" or just reverse things "so you are the jealous type. I used to date a girl like that and I ended up having to get a restraining order"

Did she start growing a bush?
Exactly

i know it's stupid but i just wanted to solidify my position, coz i don't want to lose her. of course i would be okey with it, but i prefer to be with her and keep her around. i like her a lot. i though she was just waiting for me to bring this up.
i agree. any guesses anyone? What could she be afraid of?
she got a book. and no flowers: i pointed out to her no flowers yet, she has to work for that. and i cooked her a really nice dinner. she kept grabbing my ass while i was making it, so we also had a quicky and than finished cooking the rest.

this girl has the tightest inner game. she constantly does DHV, seems ineffected my many parts of my game. Constantly talkes about these orbiters she has. I never comment these stories, but still.

i dont think she s a nympo but she wants me all the time. i can literally just flip my cock out anytime, any place and just fuck her (elevator, car, park). on friday, on her b-day she came 5 times, releasing huge amounts of liquids, making the whole bed totally wet. it was so intense, by back and ass were both bleeding from the scratches she made with her nails. and than she still wanted it but i was soo dead.

than there was this hardcore shit test after sex:
her: tell me what you like about me? i dont think there is anyhthing nice about me...
me: well, there was something really nice in you... just a few minutes ago (pointing at my dick)
than she started hitting me, and laughing really hard and calling me selfish bastad

than there was saturday with her official b-day party, lots of her fiends, colleagues and some of her "infamous" orbiters were there. she totally did PDA during the whole night. all these orbiters hated me so much. but i don't care... those ones i saw are typical AFCs, so i don't care if they talk to her or anything coz i'm the one fucking HB9 at the end. it turned out that one of her friends was engaged a few days ago and she was showing off her ring. and HB9 was like, "wow, seems like i'm the only one left now." almost all her friends are engaged.

than she stayed over at my place for sunday also, and left to work just monday in the morning. she just sent me a text now with some inside joke and missing my lips, lol. i don't think i ruined everthing with asking her out and failing but i have no idea why she didn't say yes to be my gf.

ok, i will not come up with the realtionship talk again. i ll just proceed with this "act like nothing happened, become a bit more distant, show her that I have other options" and see how it goes.

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You passed it with honors.
1-0 kadak. This is huge.
2-0

That's the attitude you must display. Anytime she brings up the orbiters you should let her know (with your actions, not with your words) that you don't care about them because they are not a challenge and you're not a jealous guy.
3-0

Dude, this woman is obviously very into you.
I agree. You definitely didn't ruin things, and it will just get better. Keep acting this way and you'll be the one in control in no time.

I'm pretty sure the only reason why she didn't agree to be bf/gf has to do with her last relationship. It could be that she thinks it's too soon to be in an exclusive relationship after her breakup, or that she's afraid you/things will change once you two become an official couple.

No big deal. This will change. Try to get her more invested. Make her do things for you, little things. Make her earn your affection. You know the game... you know what I'm talking about.
I think this is specially important because if she doesn't have an incentive to be in an exclusive relationship with you, she won't mind keeping things the way they are. What I mean is, if she thinks there's no way you could fuck other girls, why would she feel an urge to put a label on it?
This just tells me that she's very attracted to you, and that you are fucking her the way she likes to be fucked. Try to fuck her in as many unusual places as you can. Places where people might see you, where you might get caught, places where she might have not done it before.

I won't even bother giving you tips on how to fuck her because if she's coming 5 times and squirting all over, then you are obviously doing everything right.

Word of caution, though. A girl constantly wanting sex could be viewed as a red flag. If this is just a consequence of a new relationship, where everything is perfect and you want to have sex with that person constantly, then no worries. But if she's truly a freak then you will always have trouble keeping up. Personally, I like my women to have a lower libido than me.

Keep us posted. At least a weekly update.

no man, she needs to solidify your position as her man cause she doesnt want to lose you, this is the mentality you need to provoke in yourself thru pick up. i suggest you begin approaching many women like youve never approached before, find another one, i promise it will reflect on your behavior and if anything it will be a safe net for you
you know the answer to this one, she been only in relationships thus shes learned of coming into relationship too soon and the way things are moving it is too fast just really think about it youve known this girl how long? like 3 months or so? what does it say about you when you want a relationship after knowing someone for 3 months or so? it says that youve fully qualified and accepted her and shes as good as it gets so you pounce on her like an animal on rare piece of meat. but its cool if you begin acting the way you were at the beginning of the "relationship" which it sounds like you are, giving cocky responses etc, plus shes behaving so no worries.
this is good it means she wants you to see her as high value. good. but...it may also be a shit test to see if you get jealous

i wanna know hows the shit testing been lately, has it increased??


yes, except dont "show" her just actually attain more options , women have a sense for this and itll be effective when its subtle. shell know shes not the only one.

building more compliance is also key. next time you fuck her ask her to speak russian cause it really turns you on.

keep us posted, i want you to score this babe, remember approach solid hotties, now go do it.

Solid advice. Tell her to say specific things, like "tell me that you like it when I fuck you hard" don't just say "speak dirty to me in Russian".

thanks for the advice guys!

i couldn't fucking beleive my eyes! i just checked HB9's facebook after some time and she i found that she removed some pictures of her ex bf 2 weeks ago! it was way before i came up with the idea of a realtionship and she said maybe. anyway there are still many pictures left, if someone just checked on her facebook he / she would totally still think that she is still with this guy.
valuabel input
yes, there has been a significant increase over the last 2-3 weeks. i get many of them. but then she also started complemeting me sometimes.
i will definetly do that.
sounds like fun to me! good idea.

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SOS UPDATE!!!
SOS UPDATE!!!

Please everyone put in some input, greatly appreciated!

So I got some info from a mutual friend, but these are from a few days before I asked HB9 if she wanted to be my GF and failed (basically she just asked for time). I don't know the effect of that failed attempt. What happened since that is in my previous 2 posts in this thread (all good things on the surface). This info is from about a week ago and take this as 100% accurate.

So basically she:
-thinks she still has strong feelings for her ex
-it was her ex who dumped HB9 like, "i can't offer you anything, i don't want children, no marriage"
-they broke up at the end of november, i had sex with HB9 jan4th the first time, and ever since
-since her ex has been bagging her to take him back, promising everything, also that he would change
-they meet up every 2 weeks for "talk"
-when she sees her ex she misses me
-she has me, her ex (and 2 other options who don't really matter, orbiters)
-she got rid of 1 orbiter already saying that she is probably getting back with her ex. i dont know if she said it to anyone else too, or just this orbiter to get rid of him.
-she purposely keeping her ex on the sideline, and testing me
-she has never flaked on me
-she does massive PDA, she has introduced me to almost all her firends
-her brain goes for her ex, her heart for me. she literally said that!
-she thinks I'm in love with her, she thinks she is in love with me "partly"
-she knows that very very soon, within a few days/weeks she will have to hurt me or her ex ie. decide. she hates that, but she will do that
-she thinks i'm: very cool, exciting, sex is great, her heart goes for me, i am more fun, i could be marriage material, she met me too fast, i suppport her fun part, if there were just 1 yr left of her life she would choose me
-she thinks her ex is: "has deep a connection with him, slight love, deep respect", brain would go for him, he most probably have better chances than me, she told her ex to give her time, she could grow faster as a person with ex but could be boring at the end, her ex suppresses her fun part, if there was 10 yrs left of her life she would choose her ex


Thanks to all the game shit I made it this far. I am totally in the lover category and her ex is a provider.

I repeat, this info is from before I asked her out and she asked for time basically (she said, she could say yes but needs time). Richard Pryror was soo damn right saying this is was WAR and I was winning before I asked her out but now... who knows??

All advice is really greatly apprecited! I am open to everything. What should I do now?

PS-I'm not desperate, my inner game is ok, just need as much input as possible ASAP.

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Shit dude, sorry to hear about that!

I'd be tempted to start withdrawing attention and see how she reacts. See if she misses you and tries to win you back.

If you chase she will run the other way I'm guessing? It's ironic as the ex bf is obviously chasing pretty hard and it's working!



Ive been through this before so if it was me I'd just sit her down and say that I know the situation with the ex! I'd tell her straight up that I'd been in the situation before and had no wish to get hurt again in the future. I'd say that I had no emotional ties to anyone else so why should the person your dating! I'd LJBF her then go no contact.

This reinforces my biggest qualifying factor for a partner...

I won't get involved with a girl if she has been single for less than 6 months after a LTR.