Really sucky night out (girl wise) help please.



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:11 pm 
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Hey guys im Hersh here and I live in Singapore. Last night a close friend of mine and I decided to go to a very high end bar called the royal room. My friend ran a bit late and therefore i was outside the bar waiting on him. There were several all girl sets and mixed sets standing around. Some of the women were attractive too. I just ended up standing alone and smoking a ciggarette due to me not having the guts to even start up a conversation with guys, forget attractive women.

My friend arrives and we enter. We stand alone at the standing tables and throw back lots and lots of alchohol. During this drinking I had pua in my mind but once again i was too much of a pussy to take action and i ended up just talking to my friend. It was fun but ofc if we had gotten into conversations with some attractive women it would be more fun.

As I got drunk I did open a few all male sets. One was a guy sitting alone, he was mexican and we talked a bit about tequila. I didnt like this guys vibe though so i stopped talking to him. Second, I spoke a little bit to the guys standing across from us but they were really boring and anti social. My third interaction of the night was decent, to my left i opened a set of 2 guys, one italian and one indian. They turned out to be developers of IPhone apps and it was pretty cool talking to them.

While i was talking to this set, my friend headed off to the bathroom. As soon as he left, a HB 6 came up to the italian guy and said bye. He told her to sit and stay with him for a bit longer. She looked unsure so i butted in by saying "hey just stay this is an awesome guy". The Italian guy then introduced us, i forget the name due to being drunk but i remember she was decent looking and asian. I didnt really talk to her as my friend returned from the toilet and I ended up stepping out for a smoke.

As we smoked outside, we randomly got into a conversation with a pretty cool british guy named Jack. He told us he was partying at a club next to our bar called mink and that we should come. I had seen a huge amount of hot women going into that club so i agreed and we went in.

My friend and i split off and went to look around the club which was so loud and packed that i thought it was completely impossible to PU in there. We went to the smoker section of the club where it was also very happening but the music was softer and i thought this was my chance to open conversations. I started of by meeting up with Jack and got introduced around by him to a couple of his male friends.

A girl (HB 7) then came and said hi to jack as i think they knew each other before. And offered all of us a swig from her bottle of belvedere. I said thanks and hugged her. She showed no IOI's to me and left to say hi to other people.

Now keep in mind I was really quite drunk and usually wouldn't act this way.

I saw another girl carrying around a bottle of vodka and went up to her and said, "Hey im going to ask you a question and if you say no its cool". She smile and said okay. I asked her if i could take a swig of vodka from her bottle. She said im really sorry but i need it. I told her its cool and noticed there was barely any left. (Terrible opener right there, i didnt even want the alchohol really)

After this i spotted a set of asian girls (HB 5 - HB 7s) I walked up to them and said "yooo whats up guys, can i get a ciggerette please?" The alpha chick (who was taller than me) looked at me and said in a very asian accent. NO you not handsome. (OUCH!). I said "hey cmon im pretty decent, really can i get a ciggerette?" Another girl in the group said sorry, go to the seven eleven across the road and buy it.

I was very down and low on confidence after that.

I went up to a set that Jack had introduced me to earlier and said hi to the people i already knew. There was one extremely hot girl there, HB 8 or 9 and I said "Hi I'm Hersh". She said hi im ______ ( sorry bad with names when i drink) she gave me an extremely weak handshake and looked away, talking to another guy while doing it. (IOD for sure). I spoke to an asian girl, (HB 5) maybe and it didnt go anywhere.

It was 4am by this time so I decided to leave. Bad night out. Really bad night out in my book.

Possitives:
-I did talk to a few people
-I did cold approach a few girls despite getting rejected
-I did manage to socialize with guys

Negatives:
-WTF happened to open a set the moment you arrive at the venue?
-SHould have been more social from the get go and spoken to some girls at the bar to get into state
-I shouldnt have drank so much as i had terrible judgement to sense IOI's and IOD's
-Opening by asking for ciggies/ liquor is the worst way to show value as I came across as a value taker
-I should talk much louder
-My body language was crap
-I made no eye contact i just realized.

Questions:
-How do i deal with getting called ugly? I know im not too good looking or anything but..whoa.
-What do i do when a girl looks away and gives me the worst handshake in the world?
-How should I open all girl sets? mixed sets? and sets where the guy and girl may or may not be a couple.
-Any other feedback would be awesome guys thank you for taking the time to read this.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:55 pm 
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There's a lot to digest there. One immediate thing that I can pick up on is your openers break some really simple rules. Namely, you're actually immediately conveying neediness and low social value by asking for something.

Use an opener that is higher energy and very indirect. Even if you run with something that will ultimately just make you the fun guy to talk to, just so you can get rid of your approach anxiety without getting really drunk. Like, "Guys, does this shirt make me look gay... because some guy just hit on me at the bar!" with a smile and laughing.

As for getting called ugly, don't take that personally. All that really means is that you failed to hook the group and they wanted you to leave. If you successfully open and convey high value, they won't start slinging insults at you. Just think, if Bill Gates approached a group of girls in the wrong way, they'd tell him he was a four eyed freak. However, if he could convey how incredibly talented and wealthy he actually is in his initial interaction, they would be eating putty out of his hand. As for the specific content of what to say if somebody calls you ugly, say something like, "I thought you were cool, but clearly you only care about looks. That's not a good reflection on your character." with a laugh.

Keep at it.


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