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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:36 am 
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I haven't added this to my field reports yet, but ill post a more detailed account soon.

What happened was I went to barnes&noble to pick up a book. Afterwards I tried to run some day game on at least 4 sets, *not including some men I opened*

The end result? No closes.
This is how it usually went:

Situational opener -> comfort -> rapport/kino -> eye contact -> them leaving

It felt really good to open these sets of hb7/8. The problem was that the
conversation would last for what felt like 5-10 minutes then the set felt like they
could leave whenever they wanted, as they did. I felt like something was missing. Will too much initial comfort decrease the chances of me #/f/k closing a set?


Oh and I have another side question: What is rapport? and What is breaking rapport?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:24 am 
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Yes comfort off the bat will put you in the friend zone, unless you have have displayed lots of value. Approaching and seeking comfort is usually perceived as trying and trying is perceived as DLV. Many guys will try to overcompensate by building even more comfort, that will come off as creepy. Also if you are going for comfort and it's not going well, then you try and switch to lets say breaking rapport. She will assume that you are being hostile because your previous attempts failed. Comfort off the bat is usually not a good idea, unless you will be in her life all the time and have plenty of time to interact with her. I.e a work environment.

Breaking rapport is when you do or say something that signals that you don't care what she does or thinks. Turning your back to her, ignoring her, playing hard to get ect.

There is nothing wrong with comfort off the bat but keep in mind that 99% of guys try comfort off the bat. Comfort in itself is not what causes a woman to like you. In fact it works against you. The only reason for comfort is, so she is comfortable enough to be alone with you.

I'm not pushing the Mystery Method on you but check out the M3 model.
http://www.seductionbase.com/mysterymethod.htm


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:30 am 
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Thank you, your explanation made sense, and the M3 method helped provide a helpful example in a structured form.
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Comfort in itself is not what causes a woman to like you. In fact it works against you.
great this reaffirmed what i've felt like having read before about how comfort will not
create attraction. Along with something about sales pressure: keeping the pressure on her.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:20 am 
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Ya the M3 model is just an outline. I don't use routines and try to keep it natural.

This is probably the single most important video any pua should watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VDslvC4_5w


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:36 am 
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nothing wrong with starting with comfort, and building rapport,

and this whole comfort off the bat will put you in friend zone thing is a completely retarded limiting belief perpetuated by the mystery method, it is totall bullshit, if she is interested she will be interested, you might find though that you would get much more use out of screening girls for interest before you just build rapport

rapport is basically just conversation, it is talking,

seeking rapport is to do something in order to get someone to have a conversation, such as asking questions, where are you from?, what do you do?, have you seen the weather outside?


building rapport (or being in rapport), is just being in a conversation and building upon it, and usually involves statements more then questions, that's crazy, we have so much in common, that is like this one time that blah blah blah


breaking rapport, is anything that goes agaisn't the idea of having a conversation, ignoring a person, being the person trying to end a conversation, making fun of somone (teasing negging etc.), back turns, strong dis-agreements, dead ended statements, sexual statements, things that seek to neither build or seek a conversation, but try to break it instead


so here are some questions for you, 10 minutes of conversation, was any intent shown?, did they know why you were talking to them?, did you even invite them out to do something or ask for a number?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:52 pm 
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Thank you your explanation on rapport is invaluable.
I feel that there is some truth in the negative effects of
Building too much comfort too soon. I can imagine a stranger
coming up to me and started being really nice (lots of comfort), in an instant I could
tell that they wanted something. At some point afterwards if I don't make my intention
clear, I will come off as a creepy guy wanting some unspoken thing.

Perhaps u are saying the same thing as me: there isnt anything wrong with comfort right off the bat, it's just not a very efficient way of picking up women: women will
Respond differently to a salesmen (comfort) rather than a magician (interest). Both will lead to the same result, but the magician will get there faster and more consistently.


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