Fairly new to the seduction community. As with probably alot of newbies, Style's book got me interested and I've been reading alot of pua posts. Receiving noticibly different results in the field now.

Been working with a new opener and wanted other pua's honest opinion/critique of it. I call it the The Ex Opener. It requires an attrative pivot, but I'm fairly excited about it.

For the set up, the pivot can't be withen view of the target, as she will act as "The Ex" for the opener.

Once you spot your target (in small group preferably) approach and open:

"Excuse me, I have a somewhat strange request. I'm sure you've been in a breakup before. Well if you run into your ex boyfriend, you want to them to basically regret not being with you, you don't want him back at all, but you, ya know, you want them to leave thinking about you."

Unless the girl's a hermit, she should be able to relate. After you get the targets response (a "yeah, i guess" or hopefully just a "sure" or "yeah") continue:

"Well I just saw my ex here and I'm sure she's going to come up to say Hey or whatever. So what I'm going to do is buy your next drink. What I need you to do it to give me a few flirtasious (sp?) looks and short smiles if you see my talking with this girl with long blond hair (describe a feature of your pivot.) That way I can excuse my self and come talk with you for a little bit.

Hopefully the target's playful and willing to go along. After that go up to the bar to order some drinks and chat with whoever's next to you. Your pivot sould come up in about 5 minutes and start talking with you like she's your ex, etc. You glance over at the target and as she's doing her part your pivot will look to see what's grabbing your attention, at which point you excuse yourself, sit down with the target and take it form there.

Might want to have a handy explanation of why you're not with youe ex in case the target brings it up. And be sure to make it clear you have no feeling for the ex. none.


Please let me know your thoughts, improvments, critiques, etc. I think this has some potential but it needs some tweaking.

Never talk about your ex-girlfriend early in an interaction. It does strange things to a girl. The first thing she gets to think about you is "Hey, there's something wrong with this guy." Even if you did the breaking up, that's how her line of thinking is going to run. Until you've slept with her, you've had no ex-girlfriends, just a plethora of current girlfriends.

If you fly with a pivot, she could be a great help to you in a similar opener. It really depends on your target. If she's cool that you're hanging out with someone you've slept with, and you're trying to sleep with HER, it might weird her out a bit... I need to think this one over a bit more.

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Hmmm, interesting one, I dont recon that she would come up to you at the bar to be honest. There is no bonding in place and I recon any girl would be too scared to come and interupt incase there is confrontation, also it would mean leaving her mates and unless you have put an amazing case together to why you are the coolest person in the club she wont follow it through.

I would say it has potential but not as an opener, perhaps as part of the conversation, like OMG ive just spotted a girl i took out on a few dates and I really dont want her to see me - she asks why and you maybe reply because she wouldnt leave you alone and wanted to hook up with you all the time. This then perhaps gets the girl thinking I wonder why she wants to see him soo much and she gets a little intrigued. If in a group take the opportunity and and ask her to a quiet area in the bar/club to keep out of view of the fictional girl you wanna avoid, then to the next level.

Gstar

Monkey brought up the major flaw i've kinda seen it, bringing up an ex. but i think it can be overcome.

Gstar, i think you might have misunderstood the approach. The target's not asked to come up to the bar, just flash you some looks and smiles while your at up at the bar talking with "the ex." You then excuse yourself and go back over to the targets table. time constraint and reason for being there are already built in.

haven't field tested this yet, i'd like to improve on/change it around first. Thanks for the feedback.

i thnk as a tune to this approach, instead of an ex, tell her it's a girl you know that wanted to get with you at one point. this i think would show the girl that you have value since other girls are interested in you, and that you have confidence in that you don't just pick up every girl that shows you interest. but i think there is another flaw in this approach and that's asking the girl directly to do something for you. it shows need. this is a bad thing. but hey i'm still pretty new to this myself. anyone else have an opinion?

I like the inventiveness, but seems to break some key rules.

You should avoid offering to buy her a drink. This gives a weakness and also shows neediness.

In the same respect there's negitive physcology linked to talking about the past with a girl. Talking about the future provides a better plateau for a converstaion to develop.

But hey give it a go and see if it's a runner....