So first off, my ex texted me with some random - 'I want attention' - texts.
She broke up with me, and we have always connected REALLY good, making fun of eachother and just being comfortable, but I was too jealous and AFC and called her fucking whore two times, I was really a noob back then. So I didn't want to seem desperate and just texted C&F back. It worked I guess.
I said we should go play pool together tomorrow, and she was like, I don't know yet blabla.
Then she second texts me, that she can go. So ofcourse, I have to make plans, and told her 'now I got plans, but i'll hear from you.'
Ofcourse she doesn't send anything back, for as she wants me to chase her. Shes smart btw.

Then I randomly meet her at a friends house on FRIDAY, which is more of a clubhouse.
I isolate her and start talking. Eventually I said: 'And, fucked any guys lately?
She says: no . I say: 'So no boyfriends either?' She says 'no ' again.
So we just keep talking and I kino a bit, she kino's a bit, and then she has to go.

So my deep-AFC-ness told me to send her a flower at valentine's day, because she said she didn't have a BF. I texted her girlfriend's about where she lives and I want to send her a flower. The girlfriends say that she has a boyfriend!

I texted her girlfriends for how long she has had him? They say: 'A while'. So she was with him for more than Friday.
So she lied to me when she says she didn't have a boyfriend.

I text her: 'Why didn't you say you had a boyfriend?'
She reponds: 'I didn't say I didn't had one.'
So as you know, that's just bullshit, she said she has no boyfriend. Ofcourse as upcoming PUA I have to just let girls deal with their emotions, and not involve too much logic.
I send her back: 'Ooookay, good luck.'

Then I thought to myself, WTF, this girl 'wants'(?) me but now she doesn't again?

So the next day I text her: 'Hey we haven't even played pool, so I can beat your ass again in a exciting game.'
She didn't even repond.

So the next day I sent her another text: "Do we have a problem?'
She reponds: ' What don't you understand that I have a boyfriend?'
LOL SUDDENLY SHE HAS A BOYFRIEND?
I repond: 'What don't you understand about my question? Last I checked you wanted me to play pool with you... ofcourse you can act this way, but you know that a game of pool is just fun. because honestly you can play pretty well for a girl.'

She responds: 'Haha, you didn't like it when I did stuff with my exes so you must understand how he would feel.'
I send her back: "So you want to act logical, huh girl? Tomorrow you should at least come say hi, that's the most logical.' ofcourse it isn't lol but my brain can't handle the situation lol
SHe reponds:' But then I didn't have a boyfriend and now I do, so too bad. I don't need contact with you anymore.' Who said anything about a boyfriend? It just doesn't add up.
I respond: 'Hahaha, in the future you should probably tell me that instead of saying you don't got a boyfriend little girl.'

She STILL responds: 'haha honey, first of all I didn't say that and second of all it's my boyfriend since saturday so it couldn't even be a lie.' YEAH RIGHT, your girlfriends have rattled on you, and she defends her self way too much for someone who doesn't 'need' contact with me
I repond: ' wow it doesn't matter to me this much, I just wanted to play a NICE game of pool untill you started telling lifestories.'


As you can see, there are parts that just aren't right. First she wants me, then she has a boyfriend but doesn't tell me, then she overly explains that she has got a boyfriend and wasn't lieing to me...
Sometimes I think that this girl is reading about 'How to make him chase you', and is doing all kind of stuff to get me to chase her. And how she can not give in or else she won't be a challenge.
Ofcourse she could also be happy with her current BF, but I know that our deep connection was a unique one, and she also knows it. She only broke up because I was an asshole. That's why I want her to see I've changed, but I don't want to tell her because that's too AFC.

state your opinion because mine is probably subjective as hell
- GWhizz

you seem to be pretty needy over this girl, and getting sort of weird,

she invites you out, she wants to flirt with you and get attention, possibly sleep with you, so she doesn't tell you she has a boyfriend, if she were to fuck you, and her friends don't find out, she gets to uphold her charming little pure image,

now you go to her girlfriends and indirectly tell them you like her, they tell you she has a boyfriend, then you make a big deal about it, even though realistically you couldn't give a fuck less (evident by your post), it seems you just want to fool around with her and don't care she has a boyfriend, so instead of actually expressing your intent, you create a bunch of drama without getting to the truth behind your issue and trying to get your intent accross to her (you sort of did this after a whirlwind of butthurt ensued, but you could have done without the whirlwind)

now your getting all mad, because the cat is out of the bag and her girlfriends, they know that you know she has a boyfriend, as well as they know you like her still, so if she was to sleep with you and word got around she would have no excuses and that could fuck up her image with her friends (by the way you can bet her friends let her in on these things, so she knows the situation), you should have been more discreet and just tried to fuck her without caring if she had a boyfriend or not if that is what you actually wanted (this seems like this was your true intent behind your post)

really, just seems like a bunch of avoiding expressing your intentions and being needy when not seeing the reactions you are seeking, stop being all but hurt and just set out the compliance you want from her next time, instead of beating around the bush,

you don't have to explicitly state exactly what you want, but you should stay congruent with your intent and express it (you can explicitly state it, or show it with your actions, just make sure they align with how you are feeling *aka what you were trying to hide that was pretty evident aka what you want*)

try to remain as discreet as possible with a girls friends, they are to know absolutely nothing, girls are like little terrible cats that get all jelous with each other and gossip and try to screw each other over, totally not like guys at all, you can call your best buddy a giant faggot to his face, get into a fist fight, then the next day call him up say... yeah I was a giant asshole last night, and it is all good, with girls it is like pyschological warfare just to maintain friendships

they have to fit in or they get ostrocized (at least in a few of the popular clicks I have seen anyways), it's like as soon as a girl has a shitty social image she is not part of the group anymore as it could hurt the image of the other girls, group think mentality must be conformed to, that is why you have to win a girls friends over, because if they don't like you, she gets to choose you or her friends

First of all thanks, it was a bit of a long and confusing story.

The funny part is: I wasn't trying to be needy at all. I got into the PUA stuff and learned the biggest lesson of all: Don't be needy.

The one thing that fucked my mind was that she said she hasn't got a boyfriend, so I should've fucked her fucking hard that fucking night. As you can see by the frequency of the word 'fuck', I really regret it and I feel fucking stupid for being such a dumb fuck. One of the few girls that can really bust my nuts, like a love-hate relationship. That's a big turn-on.

And pump, you're totally right. What the fuck was I thinking? Texting her GF's was really retarded, I just see it as a lesson, don't get her GF's involved. Especially when they know that you 'mistreated' her.

At this moment, I don't really care about her, but I always find it amusing to try once more after a while, just because, well, I can. She broke up with me because I was too needy and AFC, but now I exactly know how to 'train' her. That's why I just wanna try once more, to get her to see how great I am, because I just am.
It's really a hard knock life, because when I try again, it may come off as AFC again, so that's a bit contradicting to what I now am.

I believe that eventually, you can get back with every ex, as long as the method is right...

I'm interested to see how this turns out for you. I agree you made a mistake by bringing up the boyfriend. Lesson learned to not bring it up in the future.

The potential to sleep with her again is fully there. I know plenty of girls that have cheated on their boyfriend with an ex. The problem lies in what you want to get out of it though. She may be content with fucking you once or twice, but odds are against you for stealing her back, unless you're genuinely superior to this guy.

Ideally he turns out to be an AFC chump that never even sleeps with her, and the "relationship" lasts for about a month. At the moment that's the best you can hope for, sticking around and trying to get her to "hang out" time and time again will just let her know you're there as a safe option, not one she could lose.

I'm in a similar situation, my ex just updated her facebook status to in a relationship. My plan is just to contnue to pick-up girls, and see if I can find an even sexier girl. I will initate contact with my ex again in a month or two, or the summer. Depends how I feel in the coming months or what new girls I meet.

I love lessons, but the situation never arises when I think: "Wow, stop, I already made this mistake. Don't do it again." It's like you forget the lessons, I just hope that subconsciously I do remember it.

If the connection with your ex was great and unique, it will not simply go away. You stay the same persons deep inside, that's why I am going to fuck her. Eventually muhahaha.

What I forgot to mention in the first post is... lol:
That friday evening, she said that my shirt was nice, I said it wasn't the shirt, it's because of the chest.(yup working out more) Ofcourse at that moment she immediately felt like she had something to prove. Too bad that I really understood it afterwards. She talked about how her tits have grown and her ass got bigger also. She touched them and said that she loves them etc.

So if someone wanna lend me their gun, I'm gonna shoot myself.