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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:37 pm 
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I discovered the community 4 days ago and tonight I went out with a friend for the first time, purely with the intent of sarging. The venue was a pub/club with a great beer garden which generally enjoyed a half decent crowd on a Thursday. Tonight was average, and the sets which we were aiming for, 2-3 sets girls only, were in fairly short supply.

In retrospect, having that intent foremost in our minds was probably not ideal. The dynamics of 2 man sarging with just a wing who isn't a close mate is also something I have mixed thoughts about. I wonder if perhaps just working game when I'm out with regular mates may be more effective. Anyway, the preset goal we set ourselves was 5 approaches before we go home.

Anyway, to the approaches...

1. After ordering a drink (I had one beer and then stuck to the soft drink), I spent 10-15 minutes making small talk with my wing and locking in which openers we were going to use. After that I approached a girl who was seated by herself in the lounge area of the venue. She was probably a 7. I got through my opener ok and opened up a fairly natural conversation and hit a good neg. After maybe 3-4 minutes I ejected. At this point I just wanted to get some openers down and by failing to drop a time constraint and yet locking in, I could sense some minor discomfort from the target. I got laughs and smiles throughout though so it was a success by my lights. I re-joined my wing who had opened a 2 set on a couple of Asian girls. He ejected at roughly the same time.

2. We broke down our first interactions and enjoyed the dump of adrenaline we were both feeling after the first approach. We then head out to the beer garden and took up positions chatting at a standing table. A 2 set then took up the table next to us and after some consternation, my wing opened with 'who lies more'. I entered about 2 minutes in and engaged the girls. They were very casual and I ran the best friend test routine which didn't come off. I saved it well though and was about to enter a bit of fluff conversation when my wing exited without much warning. In hindsight, I probably could've hung in there solo but I also excused myself.

3. For some reason at this point, I was really hit with some negative thoughts. I felt a bit bummed out and the nerves ramped up. After around 20 minutes we went back out to the beer garden and chatted around the same table. Almost instantly, what was a 4 set with a guy and 3 girls, became a 2 set with just the girls. I regained my composure and went in for the opener. It came off really well and I locked in, got a seat and dropped a time constraint. After chatting for a few mins, my wing entered. Due to the dynamics of the seating, it became 2, 1 on 1 conversations, as opposed to a group situation. I could tell from the get go that this wasn't ideal and really should have re-positioned the group once I'd built some rapport.This went solidly for what must have been 5-10 minutes. A lot was fluff conversation but I dropped a few negs which worked a treat and managed to elicit values from my target. The conversation began to slightly wane and my wing was struggling badly with the other girl, so he ejected and I followed shortly after. Even still, it was a very positive interaction and with the benefit of hindsight, this could easily have escalated.

This turned out to be the final open. The night was getting on a bit and I was knackered from work. That, and being a Thursday the place really wasn't going off.

Reflections...

After my first approaches, I think I feel good. It's definitely mixed emotions at this point, although that could have simply to do with tiredness levels approaching exhaustion and coming down from a stressful few hours. I feel as though having an approach goal may have actually hurt us slightly, as I may have tried to stick the sets out longer without the excuse that, 'I've got to open more...'. It was also a serious struggle to stick away from the every day questions that you ask strangers. (What do you do for work, etc...) I'll leave it there.
Comments/questions/critiques welcome.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:24 am 
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Morning after I'm feeling good about how last night went. I'm going to head out at least once again in the next few days. Not necessarily to game but just to have a good time with my mates. I've decided to try and get the 5 lie and cube routines down as I think that'll be a great way to stay in sets long enough to enough DHV and rapport to relocate to the dance floor or elsewhere in the club. Also, I've set myself the goal of opening on a couple sets just out and about during the day.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:40 pm 
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Went out again tonight with 2 of my close mates. They aren't into PUA, or aren't aware of the community at least. We hit 2 different bars which were absolutely dead before we decided to head to the local club. It's the only real place that goes off on a Sunday night.

There were sets everywhere, it was ridiculous. It took around 20 minutes before I decided to start opening some sets.

The first open was on 2 girls who were leaning against the wall of the dance floor. I didn't realize until I'd opened but they were HB8-9 and probably in their late 20's. (I'm 21 but probably look slightly younger than that.) Ah well. I ran with, "Would you date a guy in a wheel chair?" opener which landed averagely. They had their shields up massively and when I asked what they do they told me they were lawyers. I said, "Bullshit." straight away and they buckled and admitted they weren't. We chatted for a few minutes before they started blanking me so I bailed. Was a decent warm up.

I then approached a 3 set on the dance floor with the same opener. Maybe HB 6-7s? I chatted for a few minutes and got all the girls names but ejected fairly quickly. It was really hard to engage all 3 girls in the conversation at once because of the volume of the club, this was a problem I struggled with regularly. I think one fix is to exhibit powerful body language and make the girls lean in to listen, but I'm open to tips on this point. Obviously if I was just talking to one of the girls, their mates start giving one another the, "Lets save her." eyes.

After this group, my mates and I relocated upstairs for a while and grabbed a seat. We got bored quickly and left toward the dance floor again. On the way I made eye contact with a 2 set who'd just sat down on one of the couches. I approached and opened with the, "Do I look gay?" opener. It went down like magic. The girls instantly started grabbing my shirt tweaking it - button up, roll down sleeves etc. I chatted briefly, caught their names and head back to my mates.

After dancing for a while, I head to the bar and a girl touched my back, I span around and said, "Hey! This shit ain't free! Hands off!" with a laugh. She immediately grabbed again for my shirt. I laughed and said, "I'm going to start charging you in a second... what's your name?" We shook hands and exchanged names, then I turned toward the bar. As I did, a big guy came up to me and began to say, "Oi, that's my girl!" but she took his arm and led him away. He wasn't super aggro but I'm glad she defused the situation.

After getting a coke, I returned to the dance floor and hit some moves with my mates. We are decent dancers and got our groove on. I was trying to get my nervous mate to chat to some girls but he piked out and went to the toilet. Myself and my other friend then sat against the dance floor wall and relaxed. My friend then let me know that a 3 set was glancing in our direction. I waited a minute or two then went over and opened with, "Do I look gay?" again. Magic reaction again. Ironically, they started rolling my sleeves up and basically undoing what the first few girls had done. Anyway, I got names and introductions then got them to come over and meet my mates. This set was probably a 6.5, 8 and 9. They obliged and we started dancing as a group after the introductions. I quickly relocated the girls so it wasn't a 3 facing 3 situation and began to build rapport with the 8. My single mate got talking to the 6.5 and was killing it, despite him usually being a nervous wreck when it comes to girls. After some good small talk and dancing, I ran the lying game on the 8. I struggled with the bet section of the game as she wasn't drinking (none of them were actually, which actually made me feel better about how my game was going) and seemed reluctant to join but we played never the less. She was trying very hard to beat the game and didn't fall for the, "How many questions is that?" but I got her on the last question. It was definitely a DHV but the bet didn't come off. After more talk, I attempted to isolate her to the bar for a number close but messed up badly. She mis-heard my initial remark and I instinctively asked, "Would you like a water?". I knew I'd lost it at that point. I came back from the bar and chatted to the 9 for a while but she was going to be a hard nut to crack and I was running out of energy. After a good 30 minutes we said goodbye and headed home. I had to be up for work at 6am otherwise it definitely would've been a night for a close.

Wrapping up, I'm real happy with tonight. I felt my opening game was tight. Need to continue to push down AA and work on isolating and building rapport.

Cheers if you read. Night.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:48 pm 
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It's really refreshing reading you getting really stuck in. A lot of guys (me included) spend far to much time on the theory and don't just get out there and get real practice.

Saying that..

The lines and routines from the game seem to be working for you but don't be afraid to shop around or come up with your own. Theres some killer material right here on this forum which carries less of a risk of being called out on. (But obviously don't sub field time looking for it.)

Keep it up dude, I'm rooting for you


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It's really refreshing reading you getting really stuck in. A lot of guys (me included) spend far to much time on the theory and don't just get out there and get real practice.

Saying that..

The lines and routines from the game seem to be working for you but don't be afraid to shop around or come up with your own. Theres some killer material right here on this forum which carries less of a risk of being called out on. (But obviously don't sub field time looking for it.)

Keep it up dude, I'm rooting for you
Thanks mate, I'll definitely take that on board. First night out I ran with an original and the wheelchair opener was heavily tweaked. I feel like, although they landed, it's better to open with something with higher energy, less serious and more fun. I'll work on something to run next time I'm out that fits that bill.

I'll keep my progress updates coming. Cheers for the props.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:37 am 
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Went out again on Friday night with some guys I haven't been out with for a while. One of them was familiar with PUA and is a pretty legit guy when it comes to meeting girls. I wasn't out with the intent of gaming so I drank like 3.5 L of beer before I even made it to a club. I opened a hell of a lot of sets with just observational or original openers. The best was probably a 2 set sitting outside on a balcony. I approached and my mate came in a minute or so later. We sat and chatted to them for probably 10 minutes then we went our separate ways. Felt relatively good about the night but it was really more about drinking than anything.

I have very little AA now, but I think I really need to start looking at moving conversations into attraction and relocating with the girl to initiate kino. It's easy to just become the fun guy to chat to while the girls aren't thinking psychical attraction at all. I want to get a number close on a 7-8 next time I go out. Unfortunately the soccer and uni season has started, that coupled with work means less nights out. On the other hand, uni day game might become the focus.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:08 pm 
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Tonight I hit the club again. It was a Wednesday, and where I live there is only one club that operates at anywhere near capacity. As such, there is a hefty cover charge and the girls are incredibly used to being approached. Anyway, my mates and I didn't arrive till very late in the evening (like 12.30 in the morning) so it was a struggle to get in the zone.

After a few drinks I loosened up and chatted to a girl at the bar. It turns out, her and her sister were there looking for some rebound action, and chatter with blokes. Massive IOIs and so on but it was clearly alcohol induced and only really because of their recent breakups. I chatted for a bit and went back to ordering my drink. They weren't my type and it just seemed a bit not right.

After that interaction my confidence lifted and I approached a lot of sets. By the end of the night I must have chatted to at least 20 girls and even convinced my AFC mate to open a set. I only got to A3 with maybe 2 sets but I just bailed too early. I suppose more practice is needed.

Probably the best moment of the night was a brain wave I had on the way back from the loo to my mates on the d-floor. There was a gorgeous Asian girl on the dance floor wearing a flowing long floral dress. I typed in my phone, "Best dress here. Hands down." and as I was walking past, tapped her on the shoulder and showed it to her. She blushed and said, "Oh my god, thankyou so much." I nodded and smiled, then walked over to my mates. I had planned to let the compliment stir for a moment and planned to return to the set to number close. However, when I decided to go, she was leaving with her friend, I tried to catch her on the way out but lost her in the crowd.

I feel like direct openers might be worth a go. Ah well. More to come.


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