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Hey poeticlyskuac i came across this thread for the first time yesterday and my god your posts are so insightful probably my favourite thread on this forum now. I couldn't stop reading everything you've written was glued to the little screen on my phone. With the limited time I had before going out I consumed as much information as I could and i wasn't going to approach blindly, instead study everyones body behaviour and look for signals.

My main focuses were body posture, eye contact, smiling and being non-threatening. Although it was new years eve, i had multiple girls coming up to me either dancing in front of me with their ass out, pinching my ass, grinding me with what i thought was their boyfriend 2ft away and I had even a girl constantly try and make eye contact with me before half hesitating walking over like she was a nervous kid and coming up and getting a photo with me like i was famous. These girls were all 4-6's out of ten but still this never has happened.

There were two situations on the night that I hope you can decipher for me. The first was a girl standing at the bar with two of her friends I was standing on the other side of the room. I was standing in an alpha stance with my friend and also dancing, I saw this girl and she was very attractive and after about 10seconds she caught my eye and looked away. A minute or so later she looked at me again and this happened about 3-4 times. During this period she wasn't completely facing the bar and her torso was slightly facing me as she stood behind her friends. The only indication I was getting was eye contact maybe torso as well which I didnt notice at the time and this wasn't enough for me to approach. I was eager to study her and others more. I wasn't sure how I would approach her do I go and lineup in the bar behind her and wait for a signal? Do I go straight up to her and open with a compliment or an observation? Is it possible I missed signals and is eye contact alone enough to mean interest?

The second situation was something thats never happened to me before. I was walking down the street with my friend looking for a food place with good posture, chest out and head up. From behind a tall blonde very attractive and slim, taller than me with heels (I'm 6ft) Puts her arm around and keeps with walking with me not saying anything. After a few seconds I look up shes looking straight forward I ask are you ok? thinking this girls drunk and needs help walking. She replies yeah i compliment her on her top and that gets her talking still looking straight forward as we walk. Shes saying shes a life saver and we joke about how she saved my life from the car i was going to walk into. I couldn't see but I think she had a few friends walking behind us and after our few minute chat she parted from my side to go wherever her friends were going before my mind could register the situation.

Was this girl interested then changed her mind? She only saw me from behind was my body posture still visible and what made her approach me? I feel like this was a missed instant close maybe fclose because it was past 1am we were on the street and with most people being tourists where I was, hotel rooms weren't far away. How could I have stopped her from parting ways? I felt like maybe she was obligated to leave to stay with her friends.

I'm planning on reading this whole thread when I have time and have more questions but I hope you can clear some of these instances up for me it would definitely help me and probably others.

Thanks for all the love, I am happy you have received so much out of this. I am glad so many people have had love for this thread. I seriously can't believe it's been viewed 46k times, that is really impressive.

This information and these tips are so simple but they open your eyes so much. I'll bet you get a bit of attention you just happen to notice it now. You may have received a few more because of positive body language, but your eyes are just finally opened. You noticed them and they noticed you, you accepted their advances with your non-threatening behavior.

If she made eye contact repeatedly, she was probably interested in some degree. Eye contact alone is not enough to say she is interested. Look for submissive signals and preens clustered with the eye contact. To open on New Years night all you have to do is walk up and say "Happy New Year!" with a smile and confidence and you got an opening. Compliments, observational lines, how's it going?, even what's up? are all opens. If there is something you think will make her talk a bit, something you see or hear that she seems passionate about make a comment on it.

Perhaps she was looking for a taller guy and seen you. A lot of girls were on the hunt last night. She walked up to you and opened you, I don't know what the conversation was like or your body language in relation to her(were you accepting her overture and advancing the interaction through elevations in intimacy?). Maybe she thought you were someone else. Perhaps the conversation dried up and she had to go a separate route with her friends anyways. I can't give you a specific answer for the interaction with out knowing you(what you can pull off, your style), I don't know the girl or the body language involved. However there was obviously a point where she showed interest in you by having a full conversation and continuing to touch you even if she realized you were a different person then she initially thought.

If she was obligated to leave with her friends you should have number closed and offered her your plans on the night so that you can continue your conversation some other time. However text game on such a brief interaction is difficult but you could have definitely closed in some form or manner if she seemed sorry to leave the interaction.

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46k is insane! Not even halfway through the thread but slowly getting there :P . I want to try be out longer day/night than it takes to read this because ive already had info overload and can't remember what preening & courtship is lol. Approaching is still a problem for me and have only been able to get over it if I amp myself up alot before going out which results in alot of blind approaches, some canned material and missing signals. I'll be honest that night I was feeling a bit sick from the previous night and used it as an excuse and should have pushed myself more to avoid the regret feeling the next day when I felt better.

The 2nd girl the convo was dry for about 5seconds before she parted because I was still taken by surprise and trying to understand the situation! lol. I didn't number close because i get a lot of flakes with numbers at night too early into an interaction but your right, I should have definitely gotten it or at least found out where she was going. Her goodbye was a quick 'cya' which had stumped me from stopping her from leaving. When she first put her arm around me she had a smile look kind of like she was being silly. Thinking about it now i could have used more observations like you got balls to come up to me like that most cute girls i meet are very shy. But she was definitely a very confident girl from her personality massive turnon.

With your skills you could definitely be making money out of this. Don't know much about blogs but youtube can be a goldmine with the right material for example youtube channel 'SimplePickup'. They add humour into their videos and have targeted an audience of single guys just starting out who have trouble meeting women. Even though everything I've read so far in this thread is my favourite out of anything else I've learnt, for the average guy it would be too indepth. If you targeted an audience assuming they know nothing and create simple vids, it could grow fast. In other words your vids would have to probably be different topics from this thread. Only thing is this takes a lot of commitment and time but can be worth it if you become a youtube partner.

Btw thanks for all the tips your a fucking legend


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Also with the eye contact should I be smiling? I've found it hard to get a smile in before they look away so I was pretty much smiling almost the whole night lol what do you do?


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Also with the eye contact should I be smiling? I've found it hard to get a smile in before they look away so I was pretty much smiling almost the whole night lol what do you do?
Smiling is definitely a good plus, if you aren't smiling you may look threatening even if that wasn't your intention. I smile a lot anyways so that is just in my nature, but if I see them and we make eye contact you can raise your brows, something I do a lot. However, you look over make eye contact and smile as soon as your eyes meet. It's not to hard, some guys will even wink. The point is to advance from noticing each other to interacting, that can start with one or two body language signals sent.

Yeah, I've been thinking it may be a good idea to start advancing these things, it seems a lot of people love this thread and my other thread, it may be a good idea to start capitalizing on my knowledge.

http://www.facebook.com/LoveSignalsofCourtship

Here is one of my facebooks pages, please like it. It would be a good call for me to put some effort into this. My next goal is to gather all of my knowledge and organize it. Put together a book for me alone just so I can organize all the craziness I got going on in my head. I've had people tell me that I should share it but I don't know how may people would want a book from me. I'm not a pick up artist, I am very good with people, and women from studying but I'm certainly no Juggler, Mystery, 60 YOC, Style, David Deangelo, etc. I don't know that it would be a book that would gather the interest of the community.

Thoughts on a book that gathers together:
-building confidence- understanding it, where it comes from, how to get it, etc.
-attraction- understanding it and building it
-Charisma- becoming the man, a powerful personality, building rapport, having people like you, humor
-Persuasion and influence- learn how to influence people, how people decide, nlp
-body language- reading people, understanding correct body language, courtship, regular, everything about it, presentation and interviews.
-courtship phases and elevation to intimacy.
-Emotions-a basic understanding of emotions, how they influence us, how to recognize them/recognizing facial expressions.
-understanding the difference between male and female- One of the reasons men and women have a hard time is not understanding where each other come from.
-relationships- How to get into one, avoid one, building and keeping relationships, understanding how a good relationship functions
-sex- what motivates a woman to have sex, basic anatomy, how to please a woman, techniques and my thoughts on sex, how to turn on a woman, everything
-Some thoughts and philosophies

Basically a great understanding of people and how to become a powerful confident person, lover, influencer, and someone who knows what they want and put you on track to do it. So I can remember most of this stuff and organize it so I won't forget my roots, and thoughts. I'm looking forward to organizing my thoughts, it would make me more complete, gathering all those thoughts and using them consistently would make me even better.

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The Upper Arm Touch

I recently lead a book called 59 Seconds by Wiseman. In the book they go over several studies including one about guys in a European club who try to get girls to dance with them. There was an 22% increase(42% to 65%) in how often a girl said yes to a dance by simply touching her upper arm.

They also talked about a similar situation where guys in the street asked for a girl's phone number. They went from a success rate of 10% without touch to doubling it to 20% with that light touch on the upper arm.

It is a trick a lot of politicians do. They touch your upper arm and you see it in pictures all the time. So when talking to a girl in order to start kino and elevate attraction start off with some light upper arm shoulder touching with your hand and then move in from there. It is innocent and no one disagrees with a light upper arm touch. Bring it into your game and it will help immensely.

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Wow that's a long thread to read but content holds the quality. Thanks for the knowledge.


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Alright guys I'm going to be putting up some more videos. I got a lot of videos lined up so over the next month I'll be putting up 10 plus videos. I'd really like to get some questions so I can answer them on there as well.

You guys should tell me if I you want any specific videos up.

As of now I got a couple of questions I am going to answer, and here is a list of videos I want to put up just based on what I seen in the body language section.

What to do with your hands -Illustrators

Job interview these are going to be similar to building rapport.

Eye contact

Sitting confidently

Awkwardness

Voice

My personal introduction

Courtship steps - 3 different ones Perper, Morris, Givens

Confidence

And someone requested that I make my blogs video too.

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Quick question, I always relax my face but I find when I do it and look in the mirror it actually looks quite dull, bored and withdrawn so I have to put on a bit of a smirk to lighten it up and look more alert, but this require conscious effort and is hard to maintain.

Any tips how to counteract this?


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Quick question, I always relax my face but I find when I do it and look in the mirror it actually looks quite dull, bored and withdrawn so I have to put on a bit of a smirk to lighten it up and look more alert, but this require conscious effort and is hard to maintain.

Any tips how to counteract this?
I am a big fan of smiling, I am almost always smiling. It is the one positive face we have, there is fear, surprise, sadness, contempt, disgust, and anger, but there is only one happy face, a smile.

You will have to consciously do it until it becomes natural, that is how behavior works, we do something and eventually it becomes unconscious competence(you don't think you just do).

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I agree, smiling is always good. For some reason a lot of guys are convinced that alpha males don't smile. This is Clint Eastwood Hollywood bullshit. Alpha males are always comfortable with their surroundings, never threatened by any one else, and are always enjoying themselves. Happy people smile. Emotions are contagious. The state you convey with a chick when you come in is how she will immediately perceive you. If you approach smiling and laughing she'll consciously and subconsciously perceive you as someone that's happy and successful in life. This is alpha. Don't walk around with a dorky smirk on your face, but when something makes you happy, smile.

The biggest secret to smiling - don't smile at men, ever. Smile at women, always.


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Great stuff man. I vote this thread to be a sticky. I'm surprised it isn't.


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Hey man, i've just completed reading this thread (for the first time). It is absolutely awesome... the amount of time and effort you've put into this, in real life, and then writing it down to share, is incredible.... i've already started noticing girls body language a lot more... it's amazing how much hidden subtext is within everything i see....
like i saw a girl hovering around me a couple of days ago... today i saw a girl not look at me, but she did some seriously intensive preening in front of me lol, and she was very happy when i said hi...
i saw another girl put a mint in her mouth when she saw me.. maybe i read too much into things, but this preening stuff is pretty interesting...
i think guys miss so much, and maybe the girls do it consciously, maybe they don't... but its crazy once you start reading the language HOW obvious it is... once again, great thread... definitely deserves stickying (i already have this bookmarked on my smartphone and am reading it all the time)...


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Thanks for the love guys, glad some folks are still getting some use out of this old thread. Info is as good as the day I wrote it. If you got anything you'd like to ask, add, or comment on feel free to.

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I do have to write this. You guys should be studying body language everywhere, I am always watching people. You should be reading people, I get a lot of conversations started by reading their mood and how they feel. Watching people can teach you so much, you need to learn to decipher things quickly and a good way of doing this is studying other people socializing. Courtship is my favorite one to watch, I can normally tell what each guy did wrong. Remember 93% of communication has nothing to do with what you said but how you said(tone, speed, pitch, etc.) and conveyed it(body language). If you watch other people you can learn what they did wrong, and you can learn from others mistakes.

A wise man learns from is own mistakes, a wiser man learns from the mistakes of others.

Please, please study body language everywhere including home. TV body language is no different than in person body language(if they are good actors) all the same things happen, we just don't notice them, it is a solid way to watch some body language at home. Mute it figure out what is being said without hearing a word. Always always watch body language I can't stress that enough. You have to practice it everywhere.


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I do have to write this. You guys should be studying body language everywhere, I am always watching people. You should be reading people, I get a lot of conversations started by reading their mood and how they feel. Watching people can teach you so much, you need to learn to decipher things quickly and a good way of doing this is studying other people socializing. Courtship is my favorite one to watch, I can normally tell what each guy did wrong. Remember 93% of communication has nothing to do with what you said but how you said(tone, speed, pitch, etc.) and conveyed it(body language). If you watch other people you can learn what they did wrong, and you can learn from others mistakes.

A wise man learns from is own mistakes, a wiser man learns from the mistakes of others.

Please, please study body language everywhere including home. TV body language is no different than in person body language(if they are good actors) all the same things happen, we just don't notice them, it is a solid way to watch some body language at home. Mute it figure out what is being said without hearing a word. Always always watch body language I can't stress that enough. You have to practice it everywhere.
Out of curiosity have you read the thread?

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