I know what you guys will say, you have to develop your own game, but I really need to have some sort of direction.
Only been doing this on POF, but its not going well. Only way I get any replies is if I use Darth Vaders opener (if i were you I would delete that image). But I'm sending this to about 100 at a time, and some of them are either upset and reply angrily, ignore me, or if I do get to give the next line (lol i hope you can take a joke, I think you're adorable), then it gets split further. Some of them think I'm weird, and say "why didn't you just say hi?", and a lot are just ignoring me. There are a few who think its kinda funny, but I am not very good at steering the conversation after this, and it just leads nowhere.
Just need some recommendation of a good system out there (someone mentioned "Insider Internet Dating"?) and at least I have something concrete to get me started and take me through everything I need to change in my profile before I even start messaging.

How are you with girls in real life?

I feel like your self-confidence is low.

What works reali well is my POF game
number 1 rule say nothin wired.

My opener
You need to catch the girls attention or else shes not gonna reply.
Girls on plenty of fish are gettin over 30 messages aday it needs to stand out.
This 1 works for me.

Hi, How are you?
Its been awhile!

(Girls reply more to that than any other opener I use. Most girls are polite.)

Girl, Sorry do i no you?

Yes you do,
since last time iv got a new puppy how many bonus points?(I actualy do have a puppy never lie to a girl)

If the girl replys to that dont go into interview mode and ask question after question?

Make assumptions of what you think she is.

You look like a ...

for fun im guessing you like to ....

looking at the clothes your wairing in your pic im guessin your a ....

etc
...................................................

Another example using that opener


Hi, How are you?
Its been awhile!

Girl. Sorry I dont no you.

Im sure we have met
Iv got a new puppy how many bonus points?
or
Oh sorry, I recognised your face I thought I might have slept with you. ( Works somtimes)

If a Girl dosn't reply back to them

say this

Gosh you must be so confident not replying back to me.

fb game and PoF game are solid to get a high rating usaly girls
need to meet you in person or else they think your wired.
Thats why Daygame is the best
Sorry for the spelling im Dyslexic

thanks for the help. Also, yeah my confidence is kinda low, but this constant rejection doesn't help! If I had a full system, that would really help, as instead of having loads of ideas floating around, I have something concrete, in front of me that I can read and try and add my own touch

Best way to get good is to say fuck it and go on a residential with Beckster
And save up for it.
We can all dwell on not having women in are life, or we can take action.
The more you dwell on it and feel unloved the longer the process will take.
Theres no other way at getting good at this without seeing the pro's do it and
helping you with your inner and outer game.

Ill give you 1 tip wich has helped me drasticly made my confidents grow and get women in my life.
And it was by reading a book called "The Secret"
It told him to put photoshop posters of me surounded with the girls I wanted to be with in my life so I went to a graphic desighner and he made me 4 realistic posters
I put them around my room and now im banging hot chicks.
Its only took me 6 months until my life changed

on POF I say "gimme "3 interesting things about yourself" and usually they'll reply with something to put you off like "I don't wash, I'm a chainsmoker, I'm a heroin addict" or w/e. So reply back "Yeah I think you're too much of a good girl for me, you should ask your mum before speaking to me" works a treat lol

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The problem with all these systems is that they work-- for someone else.

Inside Internet Dating has a lot of very interesting ideas, but ultimately its almost entirely about your photos. Yes, your emails and profile are important, but if you test at 9.6 on hotornot, as David M shows in his program; then you could send a girl e-boogers and probably get 70%+ returns.

You don't need to be a model, but it helps. You mostly need to be the kind of person who isn't ashamed to ask people to take photos of him looking fun and interesting.

Of the programs I've seen, I would say that either Chet from David Deangelo's program, or David M (Inside Internet Dating) are far and away the most interesting. People tend to misunderstand the Bravo one, but it is also quite useful.

The trick though, is to see past the systems, and understand the underlying reasons they work. Mostly, the reason these systems work is because they suggest value by being particular; and because they encourage you to be playful with women. If you can do this already, you just need good photos.

JPow

Many factors go into being successful in online dating, including your picture, what you write in your profile, and your message.

I would avoid that Darth Vader opener. I would also avoid sending it out to 100 women. The problem with that is that it doesn't show that you read her profile at all. You are much more likely to get a response if you show some indication that you read her profile.

Women can sniff out “cut-and-paste” messages very easily. I'm not saying they you have to write a message that's 100% original. Write a 5 sentence long message, and make 4 of those sentences a generic template, while the fifth message is a sentence that is about her.

Make sure the template is good–but it has some cocky funny elements, and that it has some elements in it that intrigue her. Test it out, and see what types of results you get.

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Darth Vader Opener works but before using it make sure your profile is on point, pictures and paragraphs. The opener gets their attention but after that to get their interest you need good pictures and an interesting profile.

thanks for the replies guys. I agree, the Darth Vader opener will work for him, because he must have a good profile. Although sometimes I notice girls aren't even looking at my profile as they don't appear on "viewed me", they just delete the message. Not sure if any of the systems cover it, but anyone know of using NLP techniques in the text of your profile?

A lot of unread-deleted messages means that you need to work on your photos. However, many women are browsing that website anonymously, so it doesn't mean that you're not getting any views.

NLP can be very powerful in a profile, but unfortunately it doesn't work well on people who you know absolutely nothing about. The point of NLP here would be to use words that trigger an emotional response, by being specific to their way of looking at the world. Since we don't know if the person viewing your profile is visual, audio, olfactory, etc., we can't really customize a profile by using words that play with these preferences.

Most people are visual anyways, so your photos will do the work for you.

ok yeah, I can see what you mean, my photos consist of (yes i know lame) me taking a picture of myself either in mirror or just holding in front of me. And I'm not really smiling. What kind of photos should I take, and what should I be doing? I'm guessing being surrounded by girls or something is a no,no, but what would get their attention you think?

Part of the process is understanding the feedback you get and the bounds of possibility.

if the opener is not working it's probably incongruent with the vibe of your profile
if you don't get profile views or want-to-meets something's up with your picture
if you don't get (some) unsolicited messages or favourited something's up with your profile

whereas

if you have a really good profile & at least an alright picture you can practically message anything and get a useful reply.
if you have great profile and picture you can get decent unsolicited interest.

A lot of is trial and error and you either have to burn potentials in the process or "relocate" to a far off city whilst you figure it out.

if you have a bad profile(inc pic) it will always shoot you in the foot, so before you worry about messaging you got to get that at least vaguely right for you. Trying to figure out and fix multiple issues at the same time is making things overly difficult.

Ditch the mirror pics and get some situation shots..

Out and about pictures, get your mates to take some for you..
Smile, but naturally..
Pictures with girls gives status... (pre-selected as they tell you in the manuals..)

get a decent few pictures and see how that goes...


Twenny

Twenny is correct. Candids are the best way to go. You should be looking away from the camera, smirking, if possible. For more info, I reccommend you check out OKTrends. They have a good article on what sort of pictures yield the best results.

JPOW