So basically, when one goes onto POF and starts messaging a girl, how long are you supposed to wait before you ask for her number or a date? Are you supposed to do it quickly, or keep the chat going for quite a while? It's definitely different when you sarge online.

I hope one of the PUAs out there can drop some advice on this, I try to warm them up a bit with some small talk but I'm getting a very low close rate, So I would also like hear some techniques.

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OP, I'll tell you what I've found....IMHO, I've had more success talking to her like a normal person. Start right in like you've known her for 10 years. Cause she's probably sick of all the other guys running in like gangbusters trying to get all sexual with her. IF you talk to her like she's a person, and not an object, you will have great results. And you could probably pull a number within 20 minutes.

The quicker you get to comfort - the better. Once in comfort...ask for the number. Tell her you aren't looking for a penpal, or an email buddy. "That's not why we're here". Tell her email is too slow.

I've had great success on POF. OKC not so much. It is easy to get numbers on POF if you are tactical about it. The longer you stay in email - the tougher it becomes.

Also, don't BS so much that when you meet, you become incongruent. If your in person persona is 180' from your online persona - you are effed.

Good Luck!!

There are some great threads on here for openers (Toahackne, Darth Vader and AFC_Suave I have found work particularly well)

Toahackne's thread is also good for structuring conversations on POF. I try to close within 5 messages, any more than 8 and I move on.

I believe strongly in asking for it pretty quickly-- meaning as soon as you've established that she's interested in you. Women are usually more likely to respond positively after 1-2 emails.

After that, they seem to be willing to give out numbers after about 10 emails when they feel totally comfortable with you, but then you risk spending a lot of time only to find out that she's one of the women online for an ego boost, looking for penpal or its actually a dude.

Make your emails count, and send off 1-2 and then ask for the number is my advice.
Good luck!!

Jpow

I have never had a girl who has responded to two emails with positive IOI filled messages turn me down for a meetup when I make the request on the third message. I have had seemingly interested girls drop out after five messages. Invite her out on the third message if she is giving any indication of interest. Wait longer and you run the risk of becoming a pen-pal or her moving on. Earlier (2nd) and you haven't let her find her comfort zone.

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