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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:21 am 
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I've been working on my online profile but it seems like im not getting anywhere for all the work i put in it. It would always be me sending a message, then i would get a girl to view me, then they won't respond or even leave a message...

This is sort of hurting my inner game because I've had FATTIES look at my profile and not leave a message, I even tried sending them a message and they don't respond...

http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=34960641


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:21 am 
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Lmao! Your profile is exactly like mine, look like I'm gonna have to change mine sometimes soon.

Here's some advice:
-Scrap the pictures, you look too timid and in your own world in those pictures. Use pic you're with attractive girls from all races (not just asians, and definitely not just your cousin)
-Use pics that you are doing something fun, not the lame self-shot bedroom pics.
-Add more humor to your profile. The profile layout you used is for men with quite a confident and mature with a dry sense of humor AKA doesn't fit with your pictures and your vibe.

In my experiences, those girls will never message you first, even the fat ugly ones. The best they can do is pick "yes" in the meet me section or add you as favorite. So pick up your balls, I sent out like at least 50-100 messages for every opener I tested.

But here is the good news, after a month or so, you can message those girls again to start a new conversation and they won't mind.


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can u give me a rough idea of what kind of vibe you're getting from my pictures and looks?

and is it going to have a negative effect in terms of attraction if i look too timid?

I'm an inexperienced afc and have very little sarging experience besides dozens of mall sarges. Guess that now I dont have AA anymore, i can try walking up to some girls next time and ask for a few pics lol.

Thanks,
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:00 am 
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Yo, girls in Brooklyn (maybe some Manhattan) would fuckin love you.

But that being said, you look very timid and "nerdy" - take that in a positive or negative sense, depending on what you're going for. That's the reason why I think you'd have better luck in NY.

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Thanks for the insight, it's really humorous, but jokes aside I will take that into consideration. :)

This motivates me to make a second profile to test it in NY and see if I can learn a few things.


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I personally don't like POF. It looks like it was made by a 6th grader who just learned what HTML is.

Then that filtering system pisses me off, especialy on the app when I message a girl and it says "ERROR: YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MESSAGE INNOCENTANDSWEET69". But some of those girls who I can't message (because I once listed for Intimate encounters), I've contacted on OkCupid and been in touch via phone and Text.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:57 pm 
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As a little background info about myself, I`ve been online dating since 2005. Conservatively, I`d estimate I`ve met 80 women online. It would have been more but 4.5 years of LTR were in there. I`m fairly experienced with this stuff, and my response rate probably varies from 30% in a bad month to 70% in a good month.

I wouldn`t worry about the fatties not emailing you. For one, they probably would `t email for fear that they would crush you; but second, according to Freakonomics, a lot of men will never receive a single email. The litmus test is responses, not unsolicited emails. Also, 6`s and 7`s may be receiving more emails than 8`s on some websites. This stuff in unpredictable.

The easiest thing you can do is to change your profession. Women do not like to date students according to the study in Freakonomics. You could try the "ask me/tellyou later" or "Future Bill Gates" approach, or put in your part time job or whatever. Also, this same study showed that Long Term yields the best results for men. I recommend you change it from "Hang Out" to dating at the very least.

I might also recommend you change your tag line as well. It is interesting, but I would imagine that you're scaring away a chunk of women. The most powerful consumer behavior tricks are pretty clear about qualifying the consumer rather than qualifying yourself, so you might want to go with something about the girl instead of something negative about you. "Can you hold your own" or "Give it your best shot" might convey the same attitude and yield better results.


However, there`s a number of deeper problems that I can see with your profile. The biggest are your pictures. They probably count for about 90% of your profile.

Myspace shots aren`t good for guys (OKtrends). Get a friend to take some photos. Change outfits a bunch of times so that it doesn`t look like a photoshoot, and get them to be taken in a bunch of locations. Then use OKCupid's "MyBestFace" or Hotornot to see which of your pictures are the best ones.

You have some good ideas for the photos. You should be in the picture with your dog though (and no doggy crotch shots). I like the piano idea, but we need to be able to see your face (or at least the back of your head). The one with Porky is also interesting, but you might want to explain what you were doing here. It looks like you`re babysitting, which would make you look like a good dude, so I might include a caption talking about this.

Lastly, OKTrends says that men do better with photos where they are not looking into the camera, and are not giving a big toothy smile. Grin, looking away from the camera.

As far as your profile goes, you`ll want to take another shot at it. Youre doing a good job at suggesting that you have value by setting your standards high, but you still need to qualify, or else no one you would be interested in will respond. Demonstrate your sense of humor in describing yourself and your ideal mate. Give the women of POF an idea of how they would fit into your lifestyle.

I like the idea of a woman taking you for sushi, but unless you make yourself out to be fun and interesting, its not a convincing suggestion of value.

For better responses, get specific in your interests. I would reccommend against listing off which video games you play unless it is crucial that the girl you date is a gamer, but list the performing arts you've enjoyed; where you volunteer and a few of your favorite movies instead of listing the categories. This will give girls a chance to bring up a topic with you.

You have some work cut out for you, but I have no doubt that you can be successful at this! Good luck and let me know how it turns out.

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I've been on POF for just a few months and no hits. But again its very I'm just hear to fuck and not looking for anything more on my profile. Figured I would cast a big net. But..... I love OKcupid. That sight is great. Looks great, fun and had some great results. I am a bit more not so my dick in your face on that sight. Girls seem to respond better and you can message them instantly.

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jpow, I enjoyed your informative post, it must have been pretty arduous to write like a researcher (you actually cited multiple sources lol)
and it certainly does make me feel like theres a lot of work cut out for me now.

The first thing I'm going to do is go out and take some cool and fun pictures. I'll keep my progress posted on this thread,

good luck to myself! lol


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I was just looking at your pics, but now that I read your shit, you look like a PANSY
Take out the part of the "no sex on the first date, so dont even try" shit. Who do you think you are?
Take out the "Do not message me if:" that's a bitch shield there - are you a bitch? No. You think a stripper's gonna message you man? Get real.

I'm giving real and honest feedback. Other than that, you seem like a cool dude. Pants too baggy though.

And I agree with Chinopants. I take OkCupid much more seriously than POF. And I've actually met girls off OkCupid

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Damn im dissapointed,
ill put that higher on my priorities list then.

edit:
Fixed a few things, will check it again later to see how much I like the changes.

p.s. Thanks Soul, I needed advice as well as honest feedback like yours.


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I was just looking at your pics, but now that I read your shit, you look like a PANSY
Take out the part of the "no sex on the first date, so dont even try" shit. Who do you think you are?
Take out the "Do not message me if:" that's a bitch shield there - are you a bitch? No. You think a stripper's gonna message you man? Get real.

I'm giving real and honest feedback. Other than that, you seem like a cool dude. Pants too baggy though.

And I agree with Chinopants. I take OkCupid much more seriously than POF. And I've actually met girls off OkCupid
Actually I use this on my profile nad have had A LOT of success. Girls actually message me and are like "I guess you won't like me since I'm a taurus". I've had a few girls message me that they can't date me because they have implants or because they are bartenders.

It's amazing how qualifying the consumer, as was pointed out earlier, actually yields results. Bear in mind, these girls message me and directly because I have this message.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:17 pm 
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Hey Valor,

No problem, man! It took me several years to figure this stuff out on my own. I wish I had had someone to help me out. I'd say you're already off to a good start. This is already an improvement over the last version.

I'm with Greg about your list of people who shouldn't contact you. The key though is to balance out your profile. Soul has a point. It has to be believable. If you're not a male model, then you'll want to give more of an indication of why you're special enough to warrant this kind of attention.

I've never met you, but I can already tell that you're ambitious, fun, open minded and responsible. You'll want to play up your positives. Then, when a girl has figured out that you're a quality guy, it gets amped up a little by the list that suggests you have high standards.

Ultimately, it depends on what you're looking for. Are you looking for a GF or just to get out and date? I don't want them to be pilfered by the public at large, but I'd be happy to send you what I have/had up on my profile privately. Let me know.


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ahh I put that "do not message me" type line on mine as well. I saw it on Bravo pua's vid. In anycase, I'm in the same boat as you right now :/


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The "do not message me" part works well, but you have to make it congruent with your profile frame. Obvious a guy with timid and pansy vibe doesn't go well with playful and over the top confident lines.

Also my advice for those that use canned profile from Bravo, ALWAYS try to F-CLOSE on the first date. Because the longer you drag it out, the more of your real inner game will be revealed which she will find incongruent with your frame online. That will set her back, especially if your inner game isn't as strong as Bravo canned frame.


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