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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:58 pm 
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Yes, emotional blackmail, like when you do something she doesn't like and she gives you silent SPAM or does drama, does the self-pitying game, cries excessively, or just nags. And yes, it's often untrue. I used to go out once a week with my friends, that seems really reasonable, but according to my ex I was out drinking all the time LOL. My ex never blackmailed me with sex, there was 1 time in a 5 year relationship she wasn't up for sex, but she did other things that are far worse.
I'm not sure what's the best reaction to that sort of behavior, since I am a rAFC I find it difficult to let anybody so close to me to even start that sort of behavior. Maybe the best way is to point out that her behavior is silly and let her know you will not be a part of it by removing your affection when she tries to do that. When she acts the way she is supposed to, you can reward her with affection. It's basically doing the same thing she's trying to do.
No matter how much in love she is, she will try to exercise this sort of power over you, it's in a woman's blood, I'm sure of it. Unless you're the daddy-with-a-dick. And as Mack pointed out, being a daddy-with-a-dick can take some charm away from romantic interactions if you have a strong feeling for justice and equality by nature.
Bottom line, you have your boundaries. One of them is not to be a part of such unhealthy behavior and you can make that clear. She may have her own boundaries you need to accept if you wanna be with her. But she also has to accept yours if she wants to be with you. If either of you cannot do that, than it's better to split.

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Hey Mack,

My girlfriend just booked a summer holiday with all her friends.They're going to Magaluf in Spain also known as Shagaluf!! for a week.Some of her friends are bringing their boyfriends, she asked me but i can tell she doesn't want me to go..I said yeah when she asked but then she was like it costs alot and i would have to bring some of my friends with me because she and her friends paid for a room and that i'd need a room with people (just sounded like she was making excuses) ..She says she really wants me to go but I don't believe her...

She says she won't cheat but I can just see her going out clubbing every night, pool and beach parties and their will be alot of alcohol and guys hitting on her who are better looking then me..
I don't know whether i should book to go aswell or will that look real needy..from your experience with girls do you think she will cheat? i feel like i have to go to make sure she doesn't..


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Hey Mack,

My girlfriend just booked a summer holiday with all her friends.They're going to Magaluf in Spain also known as Shagaluf!! for a week.Some of her friends are bringing their boyfriends, she asked me but i can tell she doesn't want me to go..I said yeah when she asked but then she was like it costs alot and i would have to bring some of my friends with me because she and her friends paid for a room and that i'd need a room with people (just sounded like she was making excuses) ..She says she really wants me to go but I don't believe her...

She says she won't cheat but I can just see her going out clubbing every night, pool and beach parties and their will be alot of alcohol and guys hitting on her who are better looking then me..
I don't know whether i should book to go aswell or will that look real needy..from your experience with girls do you think she will cheat? i feel like i have to go to make sure she doesn't..
this is sketchy behavior on her part, but she DID invite you. maybe you are letting your emotions get the best of you. can you give more details about your relationship?


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Sean, last year, there was this girl in my social circle, she came from germany and she stay in my country (France) for six month. One night she met a boy, not someone hot but not ugly, i can't say he was an alpha or something near this concept, but he had something with girls, they were easily attract to him. So the german girl, which got a boyfriend in his country, got a crunch on him. They spend the night together, and you could really see she was attract to him. There was no cockblog, nothing that can stop them to sleep together. The things is...

They didn't. Even if she was attracted to him, she value her relationship more.

I saw her boyfriend, week later, he came especialy from germany to see her. He was really ugly, not charismatic....


Don't buy into all the words of PUA. There is really good advice on this forum but an unhealthy mentality about woman, they don't always saying lie. They just change often there mind, like men, like a lot of people. That is all. What i just want to say is :

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, she asked me but i can tell she doesn't want me to go..
There is certainly a lot of projection on this (as there is a lot of projection from PUA to women in pick up artist theorie) it's you who don't want to go her, not her who don't want you to come.


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hey, my question is:

What is the ideal relationship?

Should the girl be running around to please the guy all the time?
Should the guy just be open, let her go out and do what ever she wants?
Ive been told that if you say all that romantic stuff like "youre the one for me" ends relationships.

i know how to pick up girls and create attraction, but im useless afterwards. it usually ends up in me running out of material and going back to my old afc self...with them running away.
i apologize for the delay.

what is the ideal relationship?

well, that is a philosophical question.

so i will give you a philosophical answer.

and it's going to sound like total self-indulgent bullshit,

but i promise you...it IS what i think...

here are a few things that are an absolute necessity in a good relationship:

- you and her keep your individuality
- you and her also share a "we" identity
- you make her life better for being in it in all ways
- she makes your life better for being in it in all ways
- you do not wish, nor attempt, to control her
- she does not wish, nor attempt, to control you
- sharing (you are happy in and of yourself, and you want to share yourself with another person and vice versa)
- respect, honesty, and acceptance (each of you is "honest" about what you want and need, both of you "respect" that, and each of you "accepts" the other for who they are)
- and lastly, BALANCE. no one person running around after the other one.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:11 am 
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So I'm somewhat new at pickup but I picked up a very cute girl flying home from winter break to home. Were both 20 years old Juniors In college at universities in states somewhat far from each other. She isn't from where I live but was just visiting someone for a couple days. I met her while sitting down at the gate- we immediately gelled and got along really well. Our plane got delayed for like 6 hours- and the time flew by like that! Holding and making out with her on the plane was the greatest time I've ever had with a girl. We've talked every day for like 3 weeks now whether its texting/on the phone. and we ve both made it clear how interested we are in each other. She also believes in astrology- and according to astrology our two signs get along very well- which probably helps me. Imagine she's this girl- who believes in this astrology thing and this great confident man comes up to her in the airport and charms her. ITs probably like what she's always imagined.

I kinda like the fact that I could be this guy for her. I honestly think of her all day. I'm a good guy whether I want to be or not. I've tried fucking girls I barely know and I cant. I'm a virgin and my subconscious wont let me get laid (get hard when were about to have sex) with a girl I don't love. I missed many chances to have my first kiss til I did it my freshman year of hs with my first serious gf and I'm proud of that. I see so many beautfiul girls and I know I would like to fuck them. But whether I like it or not Im a good guy and am looking for something really real and beyond life.

This LDR will be a lot of work but I'm confident in myself to keep her charmed and interested. Do you or anyone else think I'm being a big vagina by falling for of the very first beautiful girls I pickup one I learned the stuff? I read what other people write and they seem to hook up with a lot of girls before they get in a relationship. I do not plan on cheating on her. I'd love for your perspective on this.
as long as you've got both eyes wide open going in, then do what you must...

but i will warn you:

many argue that long-distance relationships are incredibly difficult. i know this to be true.

some argue that long-distance relationships are NOT relationships at all. this is debateable.

but ask yourself, what sort of "relationship" consists of never seeing, touching, fucking, going out with another person.

if you want to do the LDR thing, keep it light, mystical, like two ships who occasionally pass in the night. do NOT "commit" to an actual defined long distance relationship.

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Hey Mack,

My girlfriend just booked a summer holiday with all her friends.They're going to Magaluf in Spain also known as Shagaluf!! for a week.Some of her friends are bringing their boyfriends, she asked me but i can tell she doesn't want me to go..I said yeah when she asked but then she was like it costs alot and i would have to bring some of my friends with me because she and her friends paid for a room and that i'd need a room with people (just sounded like she was making excuses) ..She says she really wants me to go but I don't believe her...

She says she won't cheat but I can just see her going out clubbing every night, pool and beach parties and their will be alot of alcohol and guys hitting on her who are better looking then me..
I don't know whether i should book to go aswell or will that look real needy..from your experience with girls do you think she will cheat? i feel like i have to go to make sure she doesn't..
dump her

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keep it light, mystical, like two ships who occasionally pass in the night.
lol


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keep it light, mystical, like two ships who occasionally pass in the night.
lol
i'm glad you picked up on the humor

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Well yeah it looks like we're gonna keep talking and all that. And I agree with you about the relationship stuff and that's how I feel we are. It does not look like were planning on committing to each other - we're just staying in contact- talking every two or three nights. it's pretty nice.


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Well yeah it looks like we're gonna keep talking and all that. And I agree with you about the relationship stuff and that's how I feel we are. It does not look like were planning on committing to each other - we're just staying in contact- talking every two or three nights. it's pretty nice.
keep doing that.

spend your energy on the things that you want.

but when you deal with her...

spend your energy making her feel "special"

as opposed to working toward a "relationship".

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sup mack?
so im in a LDR, i know your opinions on this in general but i've committed to it and i've been doing it for 8 months now- the distance ends in 4 and i figure its worth stickin with. im pretty sure she's never cheated in that time, i would be certain its just i dont trust anyone on earth other than myself anymore (not her fault by the way, an ex)

this is the situation at the moment, between sept and dec we only saw each other once, and had to wait like 8 weeks for it which is kinda too long, and while we were apart we SPAM literally almost erryday. while she was home for NY we talked about stuff and she dropped the bombshell that
a) that had been too much and often -she hadnt enjoyed it
b) she sometimes feels that in order to "get the most out of her year abroad she should be on her own"

so we chatted and decided to try to make it work, i figure a) is fixable. for this i reckon best thing I can do myself is take a step back, be busy and relaxed and let her guide how often we SPAM etc while trying to make sure we see each other every 3-4 weeks. seems like a no-brainer to me but i'd be interested in your (and anyone elses) opinions on it

as to b) im pretty clueless as to how to deal with it. sometimes im like fuck it lets just break up but then as soon as i think that i remember how much i actually like her and her me, how good it is when we're together and how we've already done significant amount of long distance and we're on the home straight, so to speak. So i guess im asking what do you reckon? how would you handle this kind of doubt from her?

whatever, think thats all there is to say, let me know if you wanna know anything else etc.


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sup mack?
so im in a LDR, i know your opinions on this in general but i've committed to it and i've been doing it for 8 months now- the distance ends in 4 and i figure its worth stickin with. im pretty sure she's never cheated in that time, i would be certain its just i dont trust anyone on earth other than myself anymore (not her fault by the way, an ex)

this is the situation at the moment, between sept and dec we only saw each other once, and had to wait like 8 weeks for it which is kinda too long, and while we were apart we SPAM literally almost erryday. while she was home for NY we talked about stuff and she dropped the bombshell that
a) that had been too much and often -she hadnt enjoyed it
b) she sometimes feels that in order to "get the most out of her year abroad she should be on her own"

so we chatted and decided to try to make it work, i figure a) is fixable. for this i reckon best thing I can do myself is take a step back, be busy and relaxed and let her guide how often we SPAM etc while trying to make sure we see each other every 3-4 weeks. seems like a no-brainer to me but i'd be interested in your (and anyone elses) opinions on it

as to b) im pretty clueless as to how to deal with it. sometimes im like fuck it lets just break up but then as soon as i think that i remember how much i actually like her and her me, how good it is when we're together and how we've already done significant amount of long distance and we're on the home straight, so to speak. So i guess im asking what do you reckon? how would you handle this kind of doubt from her?

whatever, think thats all there is to say, let me know if you wanna know anything else etc.
well, yes, you have read and you know my opinion on LDRs. but if you're reac closely, you will also know that i say an LDR can work as long as there is one thing there: the specific knowledge that the two of you WILL be together at some future date. you have that, so you have a recipe for success.

however, her behavior is VERY concerning. i am not going to lie to you. she came right out and said that she doesn't like talking to you every day and that she feels, in some way, the need to be alone. it's clear that this girl is feeling stifled by the relationship. now, is that because the two of you really ARE talking too much and you ARE paying her too much attention? or, is it because she is young with a wanderlust and wants to do what she wants to do? i don't know. that remains to be seen.

but, she has given you the perfect opportunity. i'll explain...

here's the thing. in this situation, the thing that we would all want to do is kind of a freeze out. not a hard one. but just a gentle sort of "ok you want less of my attention...you got it" type deal. well, the thing is, you CAN do that now without her being able to blame you or accuse you. why? because she said, she needs to be alone. all you are doing is being a good guy and complying!

you need to basically tell her "have fun, find me when you get back" and not talk to her again until she returns. OR have very limited one sentence text messages with her if she insists and continues to contact you.

remember, the goal isn't to piss her off or hurt her, so this isn't a typical freezeout. there is no reason not to reply if she continues to contact you. but you need to pretty much remove her attention.

also, i don't know that i would take this personally. some people just don't like extended phone conversations every day. it can be unpleasant.

basically, give her what she has asked for...her alone time.

if you love something set it free............. type deal

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so just to be clear do you think essentially end it until she comes home? I can see the advantages in that.

or do you mean give her the cut in attention she seems to want while remaining in the relationship?
we've already cut SPAM back from daily to once every 3 or 4 days and so far we're roughly equal in terms of initiating contact, but we do send a fb message daily. she is abroad so its too expensive to text, very frustrating because texts are a much more relaxed way of maintaining contact in my opinion. i could quite easily cut my part of that and allow her to initiate more often.

Im not going to lie, from my side i feel like we did talk too much before, it didnt phase me at the time but there were plenty of times we'd be sitting on SPAM just to sit on SPAM and not really have anything to talk about: when she's at home we don't chat on the phone every day afterall. so i havent taken that badly.

for now we're seeing each other again in a week, so i could bring up the reduced contact and if its helping her feel happier in the relationship when i see her... what do you reckon?


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so just to be clear do you think essentially end it until she comes home? I can see the advantages in that.

or do you mean give her the cut in attention she seems to want while remaining in the relationship?
we've already cut SPAM back from daily to once every 3 or 4 days and so far we're roughly equal in terms of initiating contact, but we do send a fb message daily. she is abroad so its too expensive to text, very frustrating because texts are a much more relaxed way of maintaining contact in my opinion. i could quite easily cut my part of that and allow her to initiate more often.

Im not going to lie, from my side i feel like we did talk too much before, it didnt phase me at the time but there were plenty of times we'd be sitting on SPAM just to sit on SPAM and not really have anything to talk about: when she's at home we don't chat on the phone every day afterall. so i havent taken that badly.

for now we're seeing each other again in a week, so i could bring up the reduced contact and if its helping her feel happier in the relationship when i see her... what do you reckon?
i think that would be a great way to handle it.

BUT DEMEANOR IS SOOO IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE.

you need to GENUINELY believe that you are giving her space for HER benefit, and you need to convey that with a SINCERITY that is obvious.

something along the lines of:

you know that i like you a lot, and i don't want us to burn out because of the distance and pressure, you should really be enjoying yourself right now. i want you to focus on "YOU" right now and find me when you get back. i've got some things that are going to keep me quite busy coming up anyway.

(lots of hugs, lots of kisses, lots of positivity)

what will this do?

a few things...

1. it will give her the gift of missing you
2. it will convey you are not needy
3. it will show that you are not afraid to lose her and that you aren't controlling
4. it will dhv you by showing that you have a life outside of her
(which i am sure you do, but sometimes with the daily routine calls it gives the appearance of desperation)
5. and it gives her the freedom to do whatever she wants.

if she responds to this with negativity or distress, just grab her, smile, pull her in close and say "don't worry, this is the right thing, i'm doing this for you" and then drop the subject.

do this at the END of your time together, right before you go, so she can't possibly get into an argument or an interrogation about your motives/methods, etc.

make sure you are oozing adoration and positivity and LOTS OF KINO while you are saying this.

if she continues to contact you after that, match her interest level to about 66% or so. a couple of brief texts for every three or so that she sends. keep them brief. but fun, and flirty! (remember, it's not a breakup, just a break) so be flirty!

IF you can pull this off, give it a shot.

kinda takes balls.

you've got to be willing to lose the girl, to keep the girl. right?

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