Merry Christmas!

I generally think talking about a girls photo's is a bad angle of attack. Whether the girl is externally a 8,9, or 10 is irrelevant. What is releveant is what she really is on the inside, and that is not something easy to determine from a profile. Her profile may show her as a 10 but she's really got the insecurities of a 7. Not that men are all that different. This is why I tend to shy away from this stuff. You send it to the wrong girl and POOF you're done.

I know there is no formula that really works for 100% of women out there but there are definitely some things we can avoid right?

One of the main points in this I want to get to you is that first of all even thinking she is "different" cause she's HOT is a bad mindset to be in. I know a lot of people spend time on here talking about what is AFC and what is not etc. But treating hot women differently than you treat other people is definitely AFC mindset.

I know in the community we are brought out to think that 9s and 10s are really really different in the way you game them but for the most part they aren't really. You just have to adjust your frame and not be affected by them. 9/10/11/12 whatever she's just a girl! Just happens to be a very attractive girl but she's just a girl... she's insecure about certain things in her life, she likes to show off, she likes to have fun, she wants a relationship with a good man, etc.

Understanding that and really applying it is what is going to help you the most with not only your online game but your game in field too. That and relating that stuff in your profile that you are pre selected and it's no big deal to you.

I'll further break down why commenting on photos are bad ideas in general and why I don't do it...

1. Give a basic compliment on her photos (You're cute, you're hot, you are really attractive, etc.) - Obviously this is tiring old, she's heard it a million times so we don't do this... it's AFC right?!?

2. We ask the girl with 30 pics if she could post some more because she obviously needs more validation... personally just to be a dick it might be fun, but this is going to just start a cat fight.

3. We find something about one of the girls pics to neg or use to disqualify her...eye boogers, stain, dirty room in the background, etc. Regardless of what we say here we are telegraphing interest by messaging her. Your words will say disqualify but your actions will say I'm interested. She'll see through it so why bother.

4. Give a genuine compliment! This can work at times especially on 8s and 9s if you can think of a really genuine and sincere compliment to give the girl and not something you read on the forum one time. This is a good direct approach for online game but women want to be desired for more than their beauty of course.

5. Be sexual! This is just down right creepy online...

So we can't give a generic compliment, sincere compliment, be sexual, neg/disqualify, or just be an ass. This gets us back to the original point of just ignoring her and having a solid inner game in that you don't care if she's hot. It's just another girl... and really believing that!

In this particular case I might send her something like you mentioned. "Hey! If you are going to put photos like that up there you obviously wanted attention. When some looser messages you saying how hot you are and what they want to do to you, then you get mad? What'd you expect?!? They can't control themselves. Would you like some help in making a better profile?"

Okay, this might work on a few levels... We call her out on what she is doing. We seperate ourselves from the rest of guys by adopting this frame. Then we even offer her help with her profile...cause we are not interested. Then we'll see if she comes to us.

I almost went with the whole what do you have going on for you besides your looks....but that shows too much interest too. Besides she's probably heard that one by now. LOL.

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Merry Christmas J!

Now to my problem.
Met a girl at a work function recently. Talked to her a bit ( the general, getting to know you questions etc but she was asking most of the questions, bad thing?)

Well I know her name but forgot to ask for her facebook. 3 Days later I found her on FB (facebook) and added her. She accepted. Now its been over a week and I haven't written anything to her yet.

Any advice on what to do? Play the "poke game" , or find one of her pics to tease her about, or something else completely?

Also, I'm planning to message her rather than wall post. ( A better strategy from what i read in the forums).

PS: She's on holidays at the moment so she has limited access to internet and hence facebook. Also would this be a barrier to #closing or date closing?+ How would I overcome this?

Thanks heaps

You are going to need to message her on Facebook. You should have already the fact that its already been a week is a problem cause she is going to think you lost interest in her. I would message her and try to pick up talking about some of the things you discussed in person. Once you get a good dialogue going back and forth on Facebook then move to get her #. Once you have her #, talk on the phone or via text to build enough rapport to ask for a date.

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I'm not sure if this answers my question, and i've been flipping through this thread and haven't found anything specifically so if it has been asked I apologize.


Should the talking online and then moving to text game be strictly comfort and rapport building and then when you meet you build comfort then escalate kino and proceed to f-close?


Or should one try to escalate sexuality during text game?

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Good question.

I won't say you should never try to escalate sexually during text game because it can work. Personally, I prefer escalating sexually over the phone so things are taken the right way and if you say something wrong then you can adjust on the fly quicker as with texts you won't hear her reactions and she may just stop responding.

That being said generally it's advisable to focus primarily on comfort and rapport building during talking online. Going sexual without a good amount of comfort and rapport can get creepy depending on the girl. This goes back to being calibrated. If you feel very confident in your text game to pick up on subtle hints that its not working or when it is working then go for it. If you don't have that "6th sense" perception with your online game or text game then definitely stick to comfort & rapport building and go for the sexual stuff in person.

Hope that answers your question! Nice Avatar by the way.

Jon

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I'm thinking of asking "Hows ____(place of her holiday) going? Caused any trouble yet or should I use ....going? Having fun annoying your parents? (The place of her "holiday" is where she's originally from, so I'm assuming she would be visiting her parents)

Is this a problem?, cos well the other 700+ ppl on her friends list could be asking the same thing. I'm also stuck for other things we can pick up on. Cos well, didn't really get to talk to her that much at the work function. (other's questions were the plain "get to know you" questions).

Sorry about the continual questions. Your responses are helping heaps with other girls im talking to.

Try not to over think and over analyze this too much worst thing that happens is we loose the girl that we never had to begin with. Just gow with Hows _____ (place of her holiday) going? and leave it at that. If you didn't get to know her very well when you were in person then it's going to be tougher but you know what you have to do.

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Thanks Heaps J, she replied.
hey ______!
its all good thanks [:)] just spending heaps of time with the family.. going to______ soon! can u let _"the boss"____ know that ill be back on _____ and i would prefer to be working the same days i was before i went away. ie _____(just until i find out my uni timetable!) how are u?

1)How should I respond to her asking me to tell the boss her proposed working days. (If I agree will it make me friendzoned? or will it allow me to build comfort?)

2)With regards to "How are you?"---Should I lie and say I've been busy+out with friends etc ( When in fact, I am at home helping parents renovate).

3)How would I be able to keep the messages back/forth? I mean, should i keep asking questions....or would that seem a bit too weird/interogative.

Thanks heaps for the help. Getting "email confidence" with people is quiet important to me, as I often will pick up the persona I am in emails/online when i meet them in person.

Thanks Heaps J, she replied.
hey ______!
its all good thanks [:)] just spending heaps of time with the family.. going to______ soon! can u let _"the boss"____ know that ill be back on _____ and i would prefer to be working the same days i was before i went away. ie _____(just until i find out my uni timetable!) how are u?

1)How should I respond to her asking me to tell the boss her proposed working days. (If I agree will it make me friendzoned? or will it allow me to build comfort?)[/quote]

First off I want to say you are doing fine but you are over thinking again. This is not like dismantling a bomb where one slip up and boom! These are just women. Relax it's okay to screw up some. You don't need a PUA answer for everything... Girls are just people.

Just agree to talk to her boss. If you want be playful and ask what you get out of it.
NEVER LIE! Don't get in the habit of lying to women. It's nice that you are at home helping your parents renovate. That's actually could be considered in the leader quality so it's actually a DHV really.
Thanks heaps for the help. Getting "email confidence" with people is quiet important to me, as I often will pick up the persona I am in emails/online when i meet them in person.[/quote]

When you first meet someone you have to ask questions in order to build conversation and rapport. When you know someone well you can function in large part of your conversation on statements cause you already know their likely reaction to your comment or on a particular subject.

I know there is a LOT OF SHIT out there about asking questions and it being bad. The truth is...this is the way it's worked for years on years so why change the natural order of things? The other great thing about getting GOOD at asking questions is it allows you to control the conversation especially in person. Remember the person asking the questions is in control. When you want to take control of a set... Ask a question. Hence why opinion openers work so damn well.

Anyways, there are lots of things you need to learn about her about her family, her friends, her passions in life, her goals, ambitions, where she has been, what she has done, how she felt about it, vacations, movies, road trips, school, growing up stories, etc. She's got years of her life to tell you about,...get it out of her.

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Happy New Year J,

In relation to the above post. I replied to her, it's been four days and she hasn't replied back. ( I know that she has signed into FB so it's not because of she hasn't signed in).

My reply (replied a day and a bit after her reply, cos well she replied pretty quickly (less than a day) to my initial greeting) was

________--that sounds like heaps of fun, is that going to be a "pure holiday" or do you have family there too? I think "the boss" already knows when you will be back but I'll let him know anyway XD, and I've been pretty busy, just been helping parents renovate the house.

Did I say something/reply wrong?

How should I respond/get her to reply again? ...Should I freeze her out (don't pass the message onto the boss, wait a few more days and restart convo with her) or should I pass on the message to the boss and use that as an angle to re-engage her? (tell her what boss said and ask her another question)...or try something else completely?

Thank again J,

JSMOOTH,

Hey man.. I had this HB 9 add me to fb/subscribe to me/like two of my status' before I added her back.

One night I tried talking to her and she gave me one word answers...

A couple of days later she uploads a bunch of sexy pics, I like the one without her body and just her face/smiling. She makes it her profile pic.

I then asked for advice on this forum on what to do and I was advised to send her a msg saying something along the lines of "I don't keep people as friends I don't know, Give me one good reason to keep you"

She never responded so I just deleted her...and now about a week later I get a poke from her. Based on what I did see. She's very popular and has a lot of guys/girls on her dick.

I'm 24, I think she's around 18-19...any advice here?

She poked you so she's trying to reintiate things. I would add her back to Facebook and try to start up another conversation. If she goes back to the one word answers then I'd just dump her for good on Facebook.

Hate to bring my soapbox out but this is why I don't like Facebook for game. It's a great social networking site but it sucks for pickup.

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This kind of relates to a current situation I'm in with a girl, and I could use some advice!

Basically I saw this girl get on the train and eventually I gathered up the courage to talk to her. Conversation went decent but it was mostly small talk, and I didn't number close. I added her on facebook though, since we actually have a lot of mutual friends and after she wrote on my wall I sent her a message saying:

Me: So how often do you get hit on by cute, hungover guys while you're on the train? haha
Her: happens all the time...nothing new...
haha just kidding, first time actuallyy


Unfortunately I'm back at school in a different state (she doesn't know that) so all I can do is facebook game for now, and hopefully get a number eventually. I won't be back for at least another 3 months, if not more so I'm not sure how slow I should play it or what I should say to her scarce response to my fb message.

I was thinking of maybe saying something like "So you're funny too! that's plus 5 points" but I'm not good at online gaming yet. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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Hey Man,

Yeah that does kind of relate. Again, FACEBOOK GAME SUCKS!!!!!! Now let's look at rule #1 for Online Game regardless of what site you use.

RULE #1 - Get her from online to in person as fast as possible. Do this by escalating her comfort level to go from talking online, to talking on the phone, to hanging out in person.

That is pretty much the standard rule for anyone who teaches online game. It is simply not meant to sustain attraction or rapport phases until you see each other again. Especially since you have a really really long stretch,

My advice would be to hang this one up and just worry about people in your area that you can actually do something with. There are more girls out there than just this one you met on the train.

I can appreciate you guys trying to fight to keep things going but the bottom line is if in person you don't have enough time to get solid attraction or rapport then it's not going to work out to well and you end up with a shitty contact. You can certainly build rapport online but building attraction through online messaging is complicated unless you are on instant messenger. Even if you can devise a way....then you still can't escalate "phase shift" when you need to because you live no where near her which presents another nail in this coffin for this girl.

So much easier to go out today, find some hottie you like, get her # and hopefully she lives in your immediate area. Then you can forget all about this girl on the train.

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That's kind of what I was thinking I'd have to do. Thanks for the advice!

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