I was looking through my copy of Mystery Method and hit this section, which I thought I'd toss up on the forum for contemplation, discussion, dissection, and, uh, general thinking about. Some good advice. He's actually packed a lot in here. Let's break it down a bit.
1. Get off your butt and go practice your game in the real world. That's where you'll really learn how to do this stuff.
2. Focus on learning and improving, not on getting laid.
3. Start fresh. Instead of putting energy into that one girl you've been wanting to nail, just get out and meet lot's of new women. Work on your skills.

All good stuff. I see a lot of newbies drawn to this forum because there's this "one girl" they've been working on, and they haven't made any progress, or they've gotten stuck. Nothing wrong with that, but what if you dropped her for a month and met 100 new women instead of working on her. Would that get her attention, seeing you with a new woman every time she passes you by? Would the total freeze out get her attention? Only one way to find out, my friends.

So soak in the advice, then go out and put it into practice. The Game is played in the field, so that's where you need to be.
Good luck, gents!

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Agreed! Sarging online is not completely useless, but I'd say it takes about 50 sarges online to equal 1 real life sarge for openers and routines (because you'd have to use them so often that you're sure you won't blank out when actually using them on a HB), and you still won't get any practice on your body language skills. If you use voice chat it is a little better, because it allows you to practice voice control and tonality of delivery...I'd say it's about 20:1 there. Thus, I avoid doing it because it's so much more efficient just meeting people, unless I'm either stuck in the house or just for kicks.

And it's true that once you mess up somehow in your presentation to a set, or show a serious flaw or weakness in your character, it is hard to repair your image. If you are just starting out, my advice is to push this "damaged" set for another minute or two, get what you can out of it (remember, learning is the objective, not the girl), then find a new set to start on.

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I disagree, its a complete waste of time! your not really working on yourself. When someone tells me they are online sarging im generally like " um wtf, online sarging? your joking right?, thats not sarging! the girl is in a totally different mind set. " I can't use words to describe how stupid it is. Ive done about 100 online meetups so I'm not offhandedly inexperienced in this field.

Hate to be the hater but a real man doesn't sarge online.

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Online "sarging" (a terrible misuse of the term if ever there was one) is not only completely useless, it is in fact detrimental to your game as a whole. Every decent pick-up artist in the world will tell you the exact same thing: get the fuck off your computer and go meet some people. Being "social" online is exactly the sort of behavior that created the basement monsters from which we're trying to improve ourselves.

A few cases in point:

-The person you're attempting to attract is in a completely different mindset than when they are at the bar. This has been mentioned.
-You cannot read body language, pick up on verbal cues or decipher tonality in a text-only interaction. Subtle hints (a sarcastic tone, a nervous "tell," etc) are completely missed because you can't hear them, and you can't see them.
- It is completely impossible to establish kino escalation through an internet connection.
- The person you are talking to might be an 18 year old college student, like she says she is. She could also be a fifty-five year old male internet cross-dresser who gets off on hitting on young guys. Do you really want to take that risk?

To reiterate: Get the fuck off your computer and meet some people.

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Impact... Monkey... Honestly I quiet shocked to here such closed minded opinions coming from you two.

There mindset may be diffrent yes... it will likely be one of three mindsets:

1.) Unexpecting
2.) Opposed
3.) Receptive

These states remind me very much of mind states women are likely to be in during other situations as well.

Unexpecting, like during day game, or a restaurant (not the guns) etc, etc. This is a fantastic mind state to catch those 9's and 10's in... because unlike at the Club or Bar... they aren't used to being hit on when while picking up some fruit at the grocery store in thier sweat pants... So what does that mean for us? An unexpecting mind set allows you to bypass the bitchshield insted of having to disarm it.

Opposed and Receptive will both be found mostly in clubs/bars... girls know they are going to be hit on some are conciously looking for a man (much like an online dating site would have)... but the 9's and 10's are conditioned... thier bitch-shield is up and ready for battle they do not intend to end up with a man tonight.


Personally I think that night clubs are popular because every AFC is in there looking for a foolsmate... Then PUA's have just kind of followed the AFC's lead and it's never really been questioned that if you want to sarge... go to a bar or a club.

This is a war guys... seduction, attraction it's a war! And wouldn't it be easier to win the battle with that HB10 if you "attack" her when her bitch-shield is down... she's unprepaired, offguard, and her army of cockblocks (friends) aren't there to fight you off as well? Not to mention how difficult it is to conquer something when there are several other... albeit less skilled armys trying to accomplish the same thing... or at least stop you from doing it.

The biggest problem with online sarging is the transitions... profile to screen name to number to person... but once you get the hang of it's not hard... just like any other form of sarging, be confident and assume the sale.

When you meet up blast through A1-3 again to refresh... but you've already time bridged to your bounce location... Your in C2 already.

We live in the internet age... now I'm not saying you can ONLY online sarge... you have to still have the same game level you have online when the girl meets you in person... But I think it's silly to dismiss such a powerfull tool... such as the internet.

This is some good tips that can ultimately up to how a person wants to do it. I've sent messages online, and such, but I do actually prefer the interaction offline because I can instantly read the IOI's or IOD's that are exhibited. The four premises are dead on as well. I honestly think that punting the old stuff helps in getting the new girls added to the roster.

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Online Sarging is not completely useless! I have to be unique and do routines online. Yes, you loose out on some of your body language skills etc. However, when you meet in person you are in comfort building. You still have your work to do to get to the seduction phase.

To be honest, I feel that in the field is more challenging that online. Online is more of a numbers game. In the field you have to work on your overall appearance, body language, AMOG attitude, and social skills a lot more.

The game has many ways to be played. Don't limit your mind to only one avenue. Same way you wouldn't only go to one place to sarge. Don't discount the online game although there are some skills lost, without having to do a cold approach.

Happy Hunting!

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I agree with Monkey. I can't in my right mind support online sarging, its wrong and gives the girl all the wrong signals.

What is online sarging telling her? you have no protection value, you sit behind a computer possibly talking to a million other girls, you have no social proof, if she decides to meet you the pressure is on her and so is the burden even if its a offhand meeting.. it lowers her social value for meeting someone of the net.. the list goes on. Man i experimented, i meet a hb 11 from myspace once, and she didn't want to meet me! despite a fantastic interaction, only because i was talking to her from the net. So in her mind she had to make sure she didn't have the burden shes like ' ill meet you at st james station at exactly 3:31pm ill be walking out if you happen to be there, and i happen to run in a handsome young gentleman while on the way to meet my friends in the city, then its ok, ill drop my bag just incase and you can help me pickup the stuff from the floor '. And thats exactly what she did, she saw me she started walking slower she dropped everything on the ground by 'accident' then i helped her and we meet. I had to spend 2 weeks chatting to her before i met her, then i had to work my ass off because 5 min later we walked to very crowded area where i had never been before it was a massive venue where she was totally social proofed and i had 0% of status in the room, i had to room crawl in a enviroment which is similar to a meat market to get some type of social proof! it was a tough job and it worked well, we ended up taking it back to the hotel room! but im never doing that again. Ever.

Other alterative is you use pay sites and because you pay that immediately gives you value over the guys who haven't payd so you get preference and a meeting is setup alot faster. Again on the net your competition isnt so much competition as much as it is floods of men msging her. She may not even have time to reply to your msgs she gets like 50 in 3 min... Even if you were a a awsome guy with a sensational profile, cool socially proofed pics and called out all the right signals she wouldn't contact you.

In a males mind all this stuff can screw with you especially if you haven't been out in 2-3 days your at home typing / being in a logical state of mind rather then out there in the zone! id damages your belief system and your overal confidence.

Like I've said before, i have done around 100 online meet ups! from personal experience its really a complete freaking waste of time.

I could go to the mall see my girl, demonstrate value and status in a few minutes, pick her up instant date her, then bridge her date her again get a f close with around 3 days time. And she will become a solid cool friend that will throw value back my way as well.

On the net that type of thing will take me a week if by miracle she even sees my msgs among the barrage of afc attention.

Help yourself and delete that shit, or keep it as a way to fuck with peoples minds. I have a really cool myspace SPAM, I don't use it to meet girls, but when girls say whats your myspace in a day or night sarge, i give them that link, and it says all the right msgs that i want to convoey before we even had a chance to meet up for a date.

Oh and if they look good in their profile pics, trust me when you meet them 70% of the time they dont look anywhere near as good.


As far as this
1.) Un expecting
2.) Opposed
3.) Receptive

its more like

1.) expected
2.) opposed
3.) revolted

In most cases your doing damage control from the previous guy, who told her ' OMG YOU HAVE HOT TITS LETS FUCK ' before you've even begun the interaction. And this is not open for debate this is fact, proven.

Views differ but thats my foot put down on the subject.

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We are talking 10s here right?
Some, thats generally 6's - 8s at very best. And there is a difference between myspace which is more personal center and dating web sites like RSVP. But generally the girls you want, the 10-11's are flooded and clogged up by afcs. These guys would never have the courage to approach a girl in field or if they did they would get blown away. 10's and 11's that generally sign up to sites like this very quickly cancel their membership, im not sure if thats a common fact anyone here has noticed. However websites like myspace they use their friends counter as a way to socially proof themselves to their friends and they enjoy the attention. They will never meet anyone off there.

- I have two twin blonds HB 10 (older nicole) and 8 (younger danz) who always follow me around, try to get my attention, chase after me want me to teach them things, annoy me and love me! they are obsessed! online i send 2-3 msgs once to get a convo going, over a period of 2 weeks (was bored) and they didn't reply to either. the frame of mind they use on there is totally different. And this is not a result of not using routines or techniques, or not having social proof or anything at all. its a result of them not caring about anyone on there! They are generally there to have fun, and get a laugh not to meet guys. [Talking myspace here].
Most afcs dont approach pretty girls because of rejection fear, others who do approach get blown away quite fast. Your right about that however theres things such as negs and pawning, socially proofing ourselves with the room that can make us stand out. You cant do that online.
Beautiful woman get hit on online so much that they always have that shield on. Often you'll have your msg read but never replied too! and im talking 10s here im not talking 7's or cute 8's!

Elephants dont qualify as woman in my books, (or girls in your words) altho i can't speak for everyone on that regard.

Look guys what im getting at is this plain and simple.

Typing online will not improve you as a person.
Typing online will very often not get you the girl you want. (9/10)
Typing online takes alot of time and effort, which you can better attribute to more important and valued things in life.
Typing online demonstrates lower value, in giving out the incorrect signals to the girl your gaming. It shows low SNR value. And even if you say to her your using it as means to meet other people because your a very busy person, that shows that you have your priorities wrong to a girl of high social value. Again im not talking about girls resembling jaba the hut. *pats Trivial* on the back.
Typing online is not beneficial but i believe is a excuse for people to use by means of avoiding actual sarges.

I have nothing further to add on this subject.

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Impact, you say you've met an 11 from myspace, and then turn around and say the most someone will meet online is a 6-8? Just curious, are you thinking about what you're writing? And, why are you putting "your" foot down? It's just "your" view man. That's all. Nothing wrong with your view, but it's just that, yours.

Ok, so you guys think that online sarging is just wrong and no true PUA should do it, eh? Well, I hate to break it to you, but . . . one very well known PUA who is very successful and teaches guys how to meet woman and guys actually do learn from him . . . is David DeAngelo.

Yes, Mystery says it's a waste of time. David D says it's a good way to go. Personally, I see nothing wrong with using it to mix up how you meet girls. It's like Trivial said, you have to realize that girls are in fact online a LOT, and it's not just to surf some web site. They are actually doing stuff on there, including meeting people, as you have obviously found out from real life.

Personally, I don't sarge online, but I have nothing against it, and I definitely won't say a "true PUA" wouldn't, because I know that's not true.

Come on guys, let's drop the arrogance. You have your views. Express them as such.

Your just too powerful. It even says administrator *backs down*! & *hides*

Well i suppose theres no point getting in a logic argument with someone whose out to pickup 'girls' over women but hey!

And who is the leading world pickup artist again? i forget... must be my lack of knowing what to say.. or something.. im so lost.. someone hold me!

Finally, and now its just for more shits and gigles, if you've seen or been to David D's seminar you will realize that most of his audience is comprised of seminar junkies, people on wheel chairs, and old men.



Pleasure talking


For anyone who has tuned in, theres value to be had here, in more places then the untrained eye can see!

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Boy did I stir up a hornet's nest.
I don't read what Mystery wrote to mean "never Sarge online, it's a waste of time." What he's saying is, get out in the real world and practice your skills there. That's where your skills will grow the most.

But hey, if you want to augment that with some online sarging, why not? Especially if that's time you would have spent just watching TV or playing a game. The important thing is, don't let online Sarging be your only game, because ultimately you do want to meet a real live woman in person, and at that point you need to have developed the skills for that situation. Online sarging will only develop a small subset of the skills that you'll need in the real world.

No need to argue absolute positions here folks, it's not black and white. Do what works for you, work on your skills where ever you are whenever you get the chance. That includes your social skills (hint hint).

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