I am doing good, busy working and also still trying to improve my body language spotting skills..
I will try to look for other signs, but I am not as good at noticing them as you. Not even close. I bet if we watched a couple interract you would spot 10 signs and I would spot no more than 3
I basicly always rely only on few signs that I can spot easily:
preening (fixing hair is huge and easy to spot)
submissive looking down (one thing about looking - sometimes they look up, but it does not mean anything as everything turns out that they actually liked me. So I think looking up is not necessary no no)
laughing at all your jokes (or to phrases only remotely close to jokes)
asking my name and/or age (not actuall body language, but still ioi)
proximity (trying to stand closer to me)
stroking something (like a pencil or a glass of drink)
eye contact (I told you before but I still have this problem - when she looks at me for numerous times during a period of time I still wonder does she likes me or she looks at me just because she has to look at something, like you can not only look at the walls all the time, you look at the people in the room as well, but not necessary because you like them, just because you have to look somewhere . When people says "if you catch her eye contact for the second or third time it means that she is attracted to you I always still wonder lol. Thats my sticking point )

So as you can see I rely only on few things. The good thing is that at least half of them are always there so I do not miss that much, right? )
What other ioi's are most popular? I know many of them (after reading your thread) but could you give me specific 2 or 3 of them and say to me: "hey, after you are good at these few you mentioned, you should also try and master these 2-3 as well". I believe that would be the best for me, otherwise I am lost at them all I must focus and try to spot them one by one (after that of course I will see them all, but at first one by one lol)

Cheers

Well at a certain point you don't even look for signs, you just feel they are attracted to you and then if you aren't sure you go over the signs you see.

Don't forget when someone is preening it is any adjustment in her appearance. So if she adjusts her jewelry or clothes she is preening as well.

Looking up can be submissive as well because they are exposing their neck. Don't forget how sensitive the neck area is and how any neck exposure can be seen as a submissive act as well.

When you get the interview as I call it, it shows all of their interest in you. When a girl asks questions repeatedly she is literally trying you out, figuring if you are worth while.

Yeah the phallic symbol stroke is pretty impressive. It almost always means sex is on their mind.

Yeah, learning to have confidence in your reads takes time. You want to make sure you are right, but sometimes you just have to risk building an attraction even if you start with none at all. So although having confidence in your reads is key, so is being fearless and just going in and making sure there is an attraction and having the confidence that you can build an attraction.

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This is truth, I noticed that some time ago. But I think that "feeling" is there because you notice those body language signs, its just that you don't understand them consciously (like "she did this and that hence she likes me"), but your brain still understands them unconsciously and from that you get that "feeling".

By the way could you give me those 2-3 signs that I should study now (besides the ones I already "mastered")? It maybe strange for you but for me its the best method to learn - I concentrate on some specific body language sign and after some time it comes natural )

It isn't strange to not want to overwhelm yourself to the point that the knowledge you have is useless.

I'd say move on to paying attention to Torso and Legs/Feet. After you've master all that move on to micorexpressions.

For Torso pay closer attention to which way it faces and leans. The torso by it's self tells it's own story. It tends to distance it's self from things it dislikes (both metaphorical and literally), if it likes something it tries to be close, closes the distance and tends to face it. Do be careful if someone feels threatened sometimes they will puff out their chest and face you as if to fight, but their face will say whether they are angry, building toward action, or comfortable with the situation. When we are attracted to someone we tend to puff out our chest and straighten our posture(men and women) so that we can appear to be a young, healthy, and strong mate.

If you say something to someone and then they face away or they lean back they may be uncomfortable with the topic. Look for more evidence but that subtle reaction can mean something. If you mention having a burger someone who moves their torso away may be a vegetarian or vegan, most of the time they will add a face to it disgust or contempt. The point is that you will notice their discomfort through which way their torso faces and leans.

Included in the torso is also the shoulders, the shoulders shrug when they are uncomfortable. Half shrugs (asymmetrical) have been known to show up during lies. Shoulders will move up to hide the neck with shy girls a lot of times, and people showing themselves as "harmless". Shoulders can tell you a lot, but the timing of when these shoulder actions happen is also important. I recommend noticing the shrug first then start to focus on noticing the timing. The shoulders show a lot of submissive signals, and a lot of their confidence. Note: When a woman is confident she may not show as many submissive signals.

Feet tell their own story, if someone keeps their feet close to yours or points their toes toward you then you can assume they are at the very least interested in you as a person. If someone has their feet pointed in another direction they have to or need to go that way. If someone has to leave don't take it personal, sometimes people have places to be so their toe is facing toward the exit. Keep in mind personal space on feet is an area you can rely on quite a bit. If someone keeps moving their feet away from you when you move close they are "running away" from you.

Feet are the most reliable signal because people never try to hide the feelings in their feet. They never try to hide their subconscious want to go somewhere else in their feet. No one thinks to hide what their feet are saying.

Ask more questions about the feet and torso if you have any, but pretty much everything is basic with the two. Just start paying more attention to them and you'll have them down very quickly.

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Alright I have a question, what if a girl talking to someone kind of twists her body side to side and has the prayer hand position in front of her body.

Always think of things in terms of little kids. A girl that is swaying back and forth is normally shy when they are kids. The hands in the prayer position(fingers straight up) is called the steeple, a confidence gesture. Were the fingers crossed between each other or were they straight up? Were her hands in front of her chest? Were they in front of of her mouth? Was she doing the turtle(shoulders up and chin tucked)? How was her stance? Her facial expression? Body language isn't about a couple of clues, it is about what all the signs add up to.

I'd say she likely had a shy reaction, was perhaps attracted but there are just too many questions I need you to answer.

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Thanks for the quick reply, I read two of the books you recommended and a couple of others. I guess your talking about clusters. I wasnt the one she was talking to but I was trying to determine if the two people were into each other. I believe she was in front of him and had her foot pointing diagonal, not the exit but her upper torso towards him. She was twisting her body side to side, so her shoulder was going in front of her face kind of like a little kid asking for candy or something. I do believe they had normal eye contact.

Yes clusters are very important to body language. Your buddy flipping you off with a smile is different then the guy with an angry look on his face flipping you off. They are both doing something similar but the message is very different.

She was likely crushing on him, something women do when they are attracted, I've noticed a lot of girls who are attracted to me do the sway, I even mention how they sway like a little kid. They get even more shy and in some case blush(if they weren't already), I've built a lot of attraction with girls by noticing their "little kid" habits. They enjoy someone who pays that close of attention to them, as we all do. I've also noticed girls who were giving there boyfriend/husband crap(such as hold back a kiss) by doing the sway away from them.

What do you consider normal eye contact? Were they looking into each other's eyes and ignoring the rest of the world? Or were they paying attention to anything else? Also did they both look down a bit submissively? Most girls do the look down when they are attracted.

Keep asking man....

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I'm wondering about straight face/poker face I smile often (of course not creepy and needy smile...) but some PUA dont smile often and that just messes with HB's head. Like they cant see their facial expression so they cant figure out.

I'm confuced any one know any good article or topic for my question ? tnx

Also Im wondering do girls give courting signals in a classroom setting such as a girl preening her hair in a classroom from across the room.

No need to post in both of threads.

I think it is stupid to not smile, but that is my personal belief, doesn't make it right. People are mirrors, they mirror the person in front of them, if they frown we frown, if we make an angry face they return one, if we smile they return a smile.

Not all PUA says don't smile. Each style has it's own perks, my style works off of making people happy and feel good, more of a charisma, elevating those around you. Smiling to me is very important because people are attracted to people who make them feel good, and when we smile we feel good. I have the firm belief that how attracted a woman is has a direct correlation with how good you make them feel. So the better you make them feel, the more elevated you make them, the more they are attracted to you.

When you do a poker face you aren't granting them anything, not good, and people tend to be pessimists, if you don't give them good they tend to assume bad. Would you want to hang with someone who made you feel bad? It might work out, but if you make them feel good you may not have them sexually attracted every time but they will be attracted you on some level. You'll be able to get listed at several clubs and concert venues, you will get taken to places, trips, you will be invited to and asked for at multiple social functions, people will want you around. Why confuse them? How can that help? They are interested in figuring you out I suppose. However if you make them feel good, they just want to know more and more about you, they introduce themselves.

Smiling is my style, I don't think you should ever lack animation when it comes to an interaction with a women, you may be able to work it that way but the naturals I've met and the most successful men with women I know are like kids, they like to have a lot of fun and that includes laughing and smiling. Girls are very attracted to fun people, fun people are animated, they have fun and they attract people.

If you'd like I can write an article about it. Give me a few days.

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Thanks Poeticlyskuac . I think new topic isnt unnessacry. new question

Alpha male's dont smile often , and when they smile it seems really good ?

(picture Clint Eastwood smiling )

how much do you guys smile ? for me I'm like always happy/smiling (not fake, I do enjoy time)

Well, what is her baseline behavior? Some girls are always preening regardless.

Next look for who she is looking at. Is it you? Are you guys making eye contact? How often does it happen?

Check for submissive signals such as the look down, where she makes eye contact and then looks down. Or turns her head exposing her neck? Smile at you?

If you got all those things she is definitely attracted. If you get a smile you can assume they are attracted. The look down, turned head, preens, they are all signs they are attracted. Nothing changes just because you are in a classroom.

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Man I can't believe I didn't pay attention to this. I don't know who on earth would think that "Alpha's" don't smile. "Alphas" are usually the more relaxed people, you don't think of the uptight guy as "Alpha", you don't think of the asshole as "Alpha". Some assholes come across as "Alphas", but more often then not they are merely covering their insecurities. I don't understand how smiling isn't "alpha". I no longer even care to be "alpha"(perhaps that is the secret?).

We all have different personalities, some of us get away with smiling and coming across as "alpha". I am constantly smiling, I know other people who don't smile often and merely don't have the personality for it. I have been referred to as happy boy and laughing boy, I consider them compliments. I don't care to be everyone's generic version of "Alpha". I want to be me, and a confident me. Me as a confident "alpha" human is me being me, smiling, laughing, having fun. If it is who you are I believe you should keep it.

That said what is "Alpha" really? Are they really the most successful with women? "Alpha" is merely the person with social proof at this particular moment. I wouldn't be "Alpha" in a carpenters world, yet at my job I am considered "alpha". Someone "alpha" in one world is not in all worlds. If you went to a computer programmer's convention and you were a surgeon you certainly wouldn't be considered "alpha", like wise a computer programmer at a medical convention wouldn't be considered "alpha". However that confidence a person brings to what ever situation because he is "alpha" in his field is what I see "alpha" as. "Alpha" to me is merely someone who is confident, someone who knows when to show humility. Someone who knows when to listen and when to talk. "Alpha" isn't some self-centered asshole who is obviously someone without many true friends. Be a confident happy you and you will be "alpha" it will be all over you in your relaxed comfortable body language.

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Hey poeticlyskuac i came across this thread for the first time yesterday and my god your posts are so insightful probably my favourite thread on this forum now. I couldn't stop reading everything you've written was glued to the little screen on my phone. With the limited time I had before going out I consumed as much information as I could and i wasn't going to approach blindly, instead study everyones body behaviour and look for signals.

My main focuses were body posture, eye contact, smiling and being non-threatening. Although it was new years eve, i had multiple girls coming up to me either dancing in front of me with their ass out, pinching my ass, grinding me with what i thought was their boyfriend 2ft away and I had even a girl constantly try and make eye contact with me before half hesitating walking over like she was a nervous kid and coming up and getting a photo with me like i was famous. These girls were all 4-6's out of ten but still this never has happened.

There were two situations on the night that I hope you can decipher for me. The first was a girl standing at the bar with two of her friends I was standing on the other side of the room. I was standing in an alpha stance with my friend and also dancing, I saw this girl and she was very attractive and after about 10seconds she caught my eye and looked away. A minute or so later she looked at me again and this happened about 3-4 times. During this period she wasn't completely facing the bar and her torso was slightly facing me as she stood behind her friends. The only indication I was getting was eye contact maybe torso as well which I didnt notice at the time and this wasn't enough for me to approach. I was eager to study her and others more. I wasn't sure how I would approach her do I go and lineup in the bar behind her and wait for a signal? Do I go straight up to her and open with a compliment or an observation? Is it possible I missed signals and is eye contact alone enough to mean interest?

The second situation was something thats never happened to me before. I was walking down the street with my friend looking for a food place with good posture, chest out and head up. From behind a tall blonde very attractive and slim, taller than me with heels (I'm 6ft) Puts her arm around and keeps with walking with me not saying anything. After a few seconds I look up shes looking straight forward I ask are you ok? thinking this girls drunk and needs help walking. She replies yeah i compliment her on her top and that gets her talking still looking straight forward as we walk. Shes saying shes a life saver and we joke about how she saved my life from the car i was going to walk into. I couldn't see but I think she had a few friends walking behind us and after our few minute chat she parted from my side to go wherever her friends were going before my mind could register the situation.

Was this girl interested then changed her mind? She only saw me from behind was my body posture still visible and what made her approach me? I feel like this was a missed instant close maybe fclose because it was past 1am we were on the street and with most people being tourists where I was, hotel rooms weren't far away. How could I have stopped her from parting ways? I felt like maybe she was obligated to leave to stay with her friends.

I'm planning on reading this whole thread when I have time and have more questions but I hope you can clear some of these instances up for me it would definitely help me and probably others.