So its the first date with this new HOT chick easily a nine, maybe a ten. I've done everything right up until this point. So on this date, I don't think she is going to be able to pay for herself. I don't want to hold off on the date because I'm afraid of getting stuck in LJBF, but the only way we'll probably go on this date is if I pay. What to do? Experienced advice is perferred, but I'll take all suggestions.

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If you feel like you must go on the date then pay and say that she is paying the next time.

you can pay on the first date but make sure she pays for the next or goes dutch for the next few ones. cause honestly bro, i was dating a HB9 from the start of this year and this chick made me pay for almost everything and it made everything seem so fcuked up. seriosuly, if she is a golddigger, don`t let her dry the well. cheers.

from experience i'll say what i would do. i've had three ex girlfriends BEFORE i got into the game and each of them sucked money out of my pocket. the key is to NOT let it become a habit. other PUAs might say you should never pay for things until after they have sex with you, but sometimes it doesn't really matter that much. girls do like it, the more insecure they are... the more they'll appreciate it.

there's two ways i would do it. one way, i would play at extremely smooth as if i was a big shot. make it literally look like nothing, just keep talking as you pay for whatever it is, keep the conversation OFF money and stuff like that for a while... especially as you pay. don't go off into the "are you paying? are you sure? i'll pay next time?" etc...

if you do it correctly, it'll be huge DHV. i know girls who told me things like: "i love it when a guy leaves to take care of the check, that way when we're immediately done with our food we can leave instantly..... and on to my place "

and the key is to act like it's nothing and say that when she says thank you. just say "don't worry about it" and change the subject completely. off the restaurant, off how the food was, off money, or who owes what, etc.. act interested in her in PUA. give her IOIs when she does. play it cocky/funny, alpha, throw negs still. so yea...

that's one way. i still do this and i've found it extremely affect. they sometimes fall in love with you, but maybe that's just the whole package of playing things smooth. the second way is the way i would do it if they absolutely cannot pay at that moment. basically just say something like:

PUA: wow, no money huh? don't worry i got it this time. but you owe me big time.... and i'm not talking cash, i'm talking some sexual favors *laugh*
HB: ewww, no! *playful hit* (IOI)
PUA: yea, and i'm not talking about the romantic stuff, i mean the hardcore, raw, aggressive stuff. i love that! *smile/laugh*
HB: haha you're a typical guy (shit test)
(pass the shit test and you're in)

something like that. or maybe she'll play along and be like "ok how do you want it". those are the tricky ones. it's more obvious IOIs but she's playing game back at you, so you need to kick it up a notch with negs and being cocky/alpha. don't be all excited about it, this can screw you over. just act like you're in control, they'll love it. tell her how it is, how she's going to be your slave or something, etc... hopefully you can take it from there if it goes this path.

when girls play game back at you, i get shocked sometimes, and i turn afc for a quick moment... then i'm back to square one and i have to redeem myself. so you need to learn from experience.

anyway, good luck.

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by Casual (Age 20, Upcoming PUA)

Try to think from the HB perspective. Paying for her food, movie, etc. You are trying to prove yourself to her. (That's bad) *She should be qualifying her self to you* Paying is an instant DLV. Spending money on a woman is jumping too many steps, especially if you didn't F'close. Have a complete plan about where you are going with the HB. A little before the check comes indicate that you want to go dutch (crack a joke/neg about her not wanting to be a goldigger when she grows up). If you want to do something more advanced you can play a game with her, maybe she can buy your food, movie, etc.

An example of a game used to comfort HB into buying you something, check out the link I added.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aWoN8MvGKw

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Desmaro.

I know I'm way late with this response
If you're having to bait her with food as the only way to get to share your company Then she's more interested in the food than you

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I'm almost as sweet as lemon juice... almost

I've always followed this school of thought: If she's worth your time, she's worth your money.

So i pay for dates that are my idea, and expect her to pay for ones that are hers.

It is unbalanced though, since most dates are my idea

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Don't spend more than $35 on a date, EVER. Think of it this way, if you put out your game correctly you can still obtain your goal even if you paid nothing. So there is really no point to try extra hard in hopes to impress her, it will only DLV. If you want to go the route of you pay then she pays the next date that is up to you. 90% of girls will respect that agreement. Most of us can see right through the other 10%

Most importantly, don't sweat small stuff like this. You should be on multiple dates during the week anyhow. If you are too concerned with any date with any one girl than you need to up your game and pick up on more chicks.

-Rio

That's what I'm thinking, too. If you don't think she'll be able to pay for something, then don't do anything that requires money Window shopping is always a good one, and you can always stop in the middle of the day for a bite to eat if it turns out she does have money for herself.

Claire we miss your blunt but great advice

I wouldn't be taking no girl out to dinner i haven't even so much as kissed yet. I think Your clearly doing it as an act to try get in her pants and if it doesn't work out ur gon want to go berserk after she says I had a nice time good night and she leaves u in your car with a case of blu balls.
This typical happens to nice guys most of the time.

So Red Lobster and cheddar biscuits comes after you've gotten in her pants not before

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The dinner date is overdone by average frustrated chumps girls want something different than the usual.

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i love doing the coffee ice cream thing -

i have found that usually you have to reschedual... it helps lead that you are busy -

so for the first time.. say for coffee...

be busy that day - then say ice cream for the re-date

then - pay for the first - act like no big thing - ( maybe 5 bucks) she pays for the coffee either on the next date - or the same day - moving around


oh - and i just thought of this reading another post - its good for shit tests

" you are a typical guy"
"asshole"
" you aren't very nice"
et cetera -

i always smile a little and say -

" well, if by XXXXX ( typical) you mean oustanding guy, then ... yes, i am .. you are so right - :

or whatever - that helped me with shit tests.

take it easy

produce

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"this is my reality, and you are just a guest.."

When You meeting few chicks per week, paying for them on each date could be really really expensive . Hah, personally i would like to buy new clothes for this money.

When i want chick to pay for something...

1.I'm starting coversation with her about man and how they should take care about woman.

2. I'm asking her what she thinks about those nice guys who want to "buy" chicks attraction by buying her drinks on first dates etc. (My answer: It's so fucking funny )

Trust me, if u tell her what You think about those guys, she will pay for herself
If she doesn't...when it comes to paying just look at her and wait till she will take money out.
When she tell "i don't have money with me" i'm just asking: "really ?".
Then she feels little stupid and she don't forget to take monety next time...oh u qualify her too

Smoku

I NEVER do dinner on a first date. Always drinks. That way, if we don't hit it off, I can excuse myself after a 1st drink and be on my way. Dinner is reserved for a second date or for a girl who you already f closed. There is no reason to go out when you just met and shell out a ton of cash.

That being said, I always pay the first time. I keep it cool though - all the focus is on the conversation and the paying is downplayed - I leave it somewhere in the background. 99% of the time they offer to pay for their share of drinks, but I wave them off and ask them to take me out next time. That works like a charm. Again, if the date did not go as planned, then I am only out a drink, which is not a big deal to me to find out whether a girl is worth it.

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"There's a thousand yous, but only one of me..."

When the bill comes, I play it exactly as if I were out w/ my buddy. Look at the check and say "It looks like mine cost X...." Really paying for dates is just a vestigal holdover from the times when women were disallowed gainful employment. The year is no longer 1919.