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maybe i use the wrong words from my sociopath perspective... just do not get attached like falling love or putting too much value on someone.. keep your dick in your pants untill you know she fullfills your needs in a proper way.
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We are social being by nature, it's in our hardwiring so to deny that by making a conscious effort to "detach" will only lead to mental instability. Its quite common and well documented that in extreme cases where people intentionally alienate themselves from others have developed severe psychopathology.
well i could have write something like that myself, i have to say the results are quitte terrible.. even when you go all logical about it you still will feel like shit. Cortisol is a bitch hormone
Sure, that works a bit better for me.

Well, as for cortisol being a "bitch hormone", we are all prone to stress;nobody is immune to it, but reframing a situation can definitely go a ways in mitigating it's effect, as well as meditation in various forms.

The difficulty comes when you actually run into that 1 woman who seems to be exactly what you've wanted, while keeping your cool. It's easy to mack HB7s,8s,9s, and even 10s but most dudes at some point come across that one girl who can quite easily become his kryptonite. It's difficult NOT to care when there's that undeniable connection. The people who succeed in this world generally share the attribute of having good impulse control; it's not that they don't want to reach for that cookie any less than the obese person (the gluten who has almost no self control), it's that they know how to self-sooth, and/or distract and distort time (e.g. reframing - e.g. "I'm so close to having that body I've always wanted, so I wont indulge) to work to their benefit.


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i know how you feel .. you want to borrow her.. but

business and love do not go hand in hand.. again like papichulo says, it depends on what type of person she is.. she could easily refuse paying back the $. if you ever break up with her for some reason .. or she dumps you.. you still have to contact eachother for paying back $ ( if she wants to do such thing of course ).

to be honest .. i know it's hard .. but i would say no.. too much hassle
is the wise man is really wise i would trust him... god gave you guts for a reason

another way is to make up a legitimate contract which she can sign.. im not talking about a shitty piece of paper.. im talking about a real deal contract. ( maybe the bank can provide such services if you have enough $ )
Well from what i saw she has a morality code, she's the final product after years of going out, dating meeting women... and it caught me offguard, didnt expect this from her.
I'd lend her the money. Having her go sign some contract infers you don't trust her. In fact, she'd likely take it as an insult.

What does your gut tell you?

Realize you'll get 50/50 split on the answer to this question.


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well if you trust her .. you can lend her the money .. still for me it's a big no no..

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The difficulty comes when you actually run into that 1 woman who seems to be exactly what you've wanted
totally .. what you want is not always what is the best for you .. it's not always what you need. for most people on this forum vagina is the only criteria lol...

as for the cortisol .. good nights sleep and enough magnesium can work wonders.. im HSP and i have abnormal high levels of cortisol... it's amazing how cortisol affects your body in a negative way, if you have some special way to lower it let me know.

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well if you trust her .. you can lend her the money .. still for me it's a big no no..
Normally I'd totally agree, but if I think she's potentially "the one" (some guys think every girl they get some tang from is "the one"), then I'd be down for helping her out so long as it wont cause me any hardship.


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How do I make her to start up conversations with me. Ussually I am the initator to make conversations, plans etc etc, but I'd like her to text me or message me on fb 1st. I have asked why she dosen't do that and that conversation never goes well. I have tried to not message her for a day or two, but then next question from her is, why don't you talk to me and those conversations dosen't end up well either.


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How do I make her to start up conversations with me. Ussually I am the initator to make conversations, plans etc etc, but I'd like her to text me or message me on fb 1st. I have asked why she dosen't do that and that conversation never goes well. I have tried to not message her for a day or two, but then next question from her is, why don't you talk to me and those conversations dosen't end up well either.

You can't, save for putting a cocked gun against her temple whilst asking her...
Keep this in your head She's NOT obligated to you in any way shape or form unless you're in some sort of a committed relationship. The sooner you digest and accept this the better off you'll be.

The simple fact she isn't initiating is that youve given her no reason to (u freeze out for a day, maybe 2 max with such difficulty and then fold by initiating her again - she's well aware of ur patterns and r being very predictable. Remember cat theory? Once the cat gets the ball of yarn it loses interest and moves onto the next shiny object) - women want to feel prized and by u initiating her all the time u r playing right into her frame ("I'm the prize, u will vie for my attention like dry other guy out there).

I would have theorized that she simply feels a lack of rapport, but the fact that she throw out the "how come u don't contact me" bs when u freeze for aI day or 2 (and then predictably fold after 2nd day) tells me she knows how to re-initiate you into her frame (I'm the prize and if I throw u a crumb of interest ur way u will pursue twice as hard).

My advice? Freeze the bitch out for a good week or so. She may move or may actually begin to respect you and not play this little game. You need to seize the frame and it won't happen so long as she calls your bluff each and every time, and quite Franky why why should she!


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Currently I am seeing a Korean girl, fresh off the boat maybe been in Australia for a year and still learning English. Daygame approached number closed then fucked her on the fourth date. Couple of questions:

-She has stayed at my house a few times and I introduced her to my parents (who I live with). In Korea I have been told that this only happens when the relationship is really serious. I am stacking MLTR, will this girl just assume we are in a relationship? as she has not mentioned it and we haven't had 'the talk'

-In your experience, do non-westernized koreans play the field at all? if I do want an exclusive relationship what sort of things can I expect?

-She has met a lot of my friends but I don't get invited to do anything with her or her friends. Is it possible that she is ashamed that I am white (pressure from family and friends?)

-In your experience do Koreans girls push for marriage at around 30 (she is 30 now)?

-Should I introduce her to new people? I heard that Koreans are uncomfortable meeting new people

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Alright..so, me and a chick I dated for 2 years, meet up from time to time, because she is dtf. When we first met, I looked great. She was fond of how I looked, and she was atttacted. Not just for that only though. During our relationship, I became a fatty and blew up. Could only wear the same 5 shirts cause thats all that fit me..got stretch marks, and would never swim with pals in the summer or could never take my shirt off. Afterwhile, it took a toll..so, she went off to uni for school and everything hit the fan..so we were done. For awhile we tried to make it work, but no, it wasn't gonna happen. Too much eye candy and I was still huge. So finally I was done after being so hurt and lied to. and had totally froze her out. Also, I found this site. *thumbs up* so, from time to time, my ex gets ahold of me to meet up. When we do, it always turns into what I've done with other girls (which I play vague) and she always has to brag about who she is talking to. I always act like a cocky ass and we always end up fucking. Which is cool. Since the last time she saw me, I've gotten my shit together, and I'm starting to look great again. It's been about 3 months again sine I've last heard from her, and I'm expecting a text again somewhat in the near future. But, just the other day, I was at the mall and saw her from afar and it looked like she was with a dude. Couldnt see too well though. She was looking good though. So, should I shoot her a text soon with my new found self, or wait for her? It's just that its easy to get a lay with her, and too much effort isn't needed. I haven't uploaded any pics to my Fb because I never use it so everything of me on there is with me being 60lbs overweight. So....what do you think?


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papichulo818 you did not quite catch it, after 2 days, I don't fold, she does if you put it into pokker terms, but I don't really want to go for 2 days and then get asked: why don't you speak to me. Usually it has been for me that lets say for 1st month I initate everything, but after that I rarely have to initate conversations, but now all is different.


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papichulo818 you did not quite catch it, after 2 days, I don't fold, she does if you put it into pokker terms, but I don't really want to go for 2 days and then get asked: why don't you speak to me. Usually it has been for me that lets say for 1st month I initate everything, but after that I rarely have to initate conversations, but now all is different.
It IS the same thing, just reading it from a different side of the coin.

Remember, you typed this:

"How do I make her to start up conversations with me. Ussually I am the initator to make conversations, plans etc etc, but I'd like her to text me or message me on fb 1st. I have asked why she dosen't do that and that conversation never goes well. I have tried to not message her for a day or two, but then next question from her is, why don't you talk to me and those conversations dosen't end up well either."



What I told you applies. You feel she's not showing as much interest as you are, and you'd like to feel that she's more invested. Again, there is either a lack of attraction from her end at this point (in which case you need to escalate things), or she likes being chased after. At this point she owes nothing to you, she's not the mother of your child, she's not your committed lover or wife. The sooner you come to terms with this, the better. You need to put in the leg work if you really want this girl - view this as a challenge, or a 'game' to get a girl to prize you so if it doesn't work out, you're onto the next challenge to refine/tweak your game till it's air tight.

Face it, you're going to have to put in 90% of the work in the beginning. If you're going to wear your ego on your shoulder like this then she'll intuitively see that and likely become turned off from you. Get your house in order, you need to understand she's under no obligation to contact you let alone hangout with you - get her out more often, go to different venues/do a multitude of activities together where you 2 can bond, do some push/pull, break her balls playfully a bit (cocky/funny), and she will come to. But heed my words, if you get all emotional that she`s not reciprocating the way you feel she should be, if she has any sense of self-respect she`ll walk, guaranteed.

Is this clear enough for you?


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Alright..so, me and a chick I dated for 2 years, meet up from time to time, because she is dtf. When we first met, I looked great. She was fond of how I looked, and she was atttacted. Not just for that only though. During our relationship, I became a fatty and blew up. Could only wear the same 5 shirts cause thats all that fit me..got stretch marks, and would never swim with pals in the summer or could never take my shirt off. Afterwhile, it took a toll..so, she went off to uni for school and everything hit the fan..so we were done. For awhile we tried to make it work, but no, it wasn't gonna happen. Too much eye candy and I was still huge. So finally I was done after being so hurt and lied to. and had totally froze her out. Also, I found this site. *thumbs up* so, from time to time, my ex gets ahold of me to meet up. When we do, it always turns into what I've done with other girls (which I play vague) and she always has to brag about who she is talking to. I always act like a cocky ass and we always end up fucking. Which is cool. Since the last time she saw me, I've gotten my shit together, and I'm starting to look great again. It's been about 3 months again sine I've last heard from her, and I'm expecting a text again somewhat in the near future. But, just the other day, I was at the mall and saw her from afar and it looked like she was with a dude. Couldnt see too well though. She was looking good though. So, should I shoot her a text soon with my new found self, or wait for her? It's just that its easy to get a lay with her, and too much effort isn't needed. I haven't uploaded any pics to my Fb because I never use it so everything of me on there is with me being 60lbs overweight. So....what do you think?
Who gives a f*ck, text the ho what are you waiting for, Xmas (oh nm it's only a few days away)?


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Haha. You think so, papichulio? I just don't want her to pull the flake shit (she has done this before) or she says she actually has a bf. I just don't want to look like a fucking idiot. Or wouldnt know what to say if put in that spot..


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Huh?i don't know wtf u r talking about I thought u were chilling with her. Tell me in short ur deal with her Coles notes version not all details.


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