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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:58 am 
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First field report,
Mall
5:30 to 9:00

Over a course of 3 and a half hours. I approached 4, 2 sets.
Overall summary of the success:
Openers were successful, but went blank from transition from opener to mid discussion, resulting in them leaving, or me. Body language and voice projection were above medium scale. Eye contact and smiling at the right time was also successful. Rejection from all of them, but approach anxiety is now over. Going to anyone with an opener was my goal, and i achieved it, even though i didnt get numbers, i feel like an alpha man.

Number 1:
Me and my friend were in the food court, i saw 2 HB's. one was a 7, and one was a 9. I went around the food court, trying to find food to eat, which they saw me at least twice before i went up, which is bad (i know), i finally got up the courage over 8 minutes to go up to them. HB 9 is ashley, and HB 7 is abby. Here is the convo:

Me: Hi can i ask you guys a question? (leaning in (bad)
HB's: yeah sure.
Me: (Went to go and get a chair, and sat myself down with confidence) smiling
Me: (Friends girlfriend cheating opener)
HB 7: Yeah, i guess thats cheating
Me: Okay, but is it still cheating if she kisses another girl?
HB 9: Lol why would she do that? thats like weird..
Me: I know thats weird, i just needed it answered
HB 7: How old are you?
Me: Im in highschool, wbu?
HB 7: were sophmores
Me: so am i.
HB: Are you here alone?
Me: (Time constraint with friend, also im pretty sure they saw my friend which is also bad.)

More convo

HB 9: So why are you just asking us? Dont you have other girls to ask?
Me: Well, you were the first ive seen, so yeah.
HB 9: Okay... (Laughing)
Me: Neg (Nose twitching, its cute)
HB 9: (Laughing and a little offended but in a good way)

And then i went blank, so i just said i'd stop bothering you two, and left.

Number 2:
HB 8 and HB 6

Me: Can i talk to you guys for a sec? Quick question.
HB: Ummmm, idk, sure..

I led them over to a spot on the rail, and they followed. felt alpha.

Me: (Girlfriend opener)
HB 8: Well, you should just stay out of it, in my opinion.
Me: Stay out of it? Thats terrible, what kind of friend would i be?
HB 8: Well you dont want to get involved, just wait it out.
Me: If you got cheated on, would you want your friend not to tell you?
HB 8: Idk, we have to go though.

Number 3:
HB 7 and HB 4

Me: Can i ask a quick question?
HB: No.
Me: FOREVER ALONE!!!!

(at this point, fucking around)

Number 4:
HB 2 and HB 8.

Barnes and Noble. They were looking at books.

Me: Hey, do you guys know interesting books?
HB 8: (Isolated already, 1 on 1, her friend just left i guess) This one.
Me: Cool, (Grabbed it from out of her hand and examined it quick.) Whats it about?
HB 8: Well its just a book i have to read for an assignment.
Me: Over winter break?
HB 8: Yeah. What grade are you in?
Me: Im a sophmore, what about you?
HB 8: im a junior.
Me: Cool, whats your name?
HB 8: (dont remember. Ashlynn i think)
Me: Nice to meet you (shaking hands)
Me: So again, why do you have to read it?
HB 8: For the assignment... (didnt listen /facepalm)
Me: Oh yeah.. duh.. (And then i went blank)
Me: Okay, well it was nice meeting you, bye.

I saw her again and waved to her when i went out of barnes, terrible convo, but i still felt alpha.

Please tell me what you think. Advice is great! And if you have any ideas for DHV's and opener to mid game transition, please tell me! I feel like if i am too straightforward to go to mid game discussion, i will get rejected. So please help! And i really dont know what to say after, which makes my mind blank.


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the first thing, dont ask the girls if you could ask them a question. you don't need permission from them. just say "hey guys, i need your opinion on something". sounds more dominant and less needy. the best thing after the opener is to transition away from it by being situational in the environment your in but also ask questions or better to make assumptions about the girls e.g. "you two are best friends right? i can tell you guys make the same facial expressions". it's all about cold reading your targets. if you see they have books with them, ask them about it etc. you get blank because you're try to access hidden information from your brain which is difficult to do on the stop and counter productive. the only way to use previous information is when you see or hear something in your environment that reminds you of stored data in your brain which you can use in conversation.

bottom line: don't try and think too much about stored information. be situational. a great way to stop going blank is to just say anything that comes up in your brain from what you see and hear. great way to stop going blank.

here are some notes on attraction, building rapport, and number closing which might be of interest to you as well as some conversational techniques that i use all the time. enjoy.

one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys.

building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well.

in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point.

and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want.

another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages.

after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future.

the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her.

so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting.

dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between texting a girl, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game.

hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude


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the first thing, dont ask the girls if you could ask them a question. you don't need permission from them. just say "hey guys, i need your opinion on something". sounds more dominant and less needy. the best thing after the opener is to transition away from it by being situational in the environment your in but also ask questions or better to make assumptions about the girls e.g. "you two are best friends right? i can tell you guys make the same facial expressions". it's all about cold reading your targets. if you see they have books with them, ask them about it etc. you get blank because you're try to access hidden information from your brain which is difficult to do on the stop and counter productive. the only way to use previous information is when you see or hear something in your environment that reminds you of stored data in your brain which you can use in conversation.


bottom line: don't try and think too much about stored information. be situational. a great way to stop going blank is to just say anything that comes up in your brain from what you see and hear. great way to stop going blank.

here are some notes on attraction, building rapport, and number closing which might be of interest to you as well as some conversational techniques that i use all the time. enjoy.

one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys.
This is not always true. There's several ways of flirting and the most important principle in it is your body language, most importantly your facial expressions, not "negs" and teases.
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building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well.
This is very important!!
Quote:
in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point.

and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want.

another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages.
I recommend using the least amount of questions possible. You can get tons of information without questions using the technique you mentioned above: involving emotions.
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after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future.

the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her.

so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting.
Not so important details, but seems smooth.
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dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between texting a girl, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game.
Also good advice.

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