Hey guys,

As you can see i dont post on here much but im really looking for some help fast. A couple of weeks ago i started talking to this new girl at work and we got on well, just general chatter about stuff. but then i heard that she needs to go away abroad over christmas and might not have a job when she comes back so i realised i needed to escalate this whilst i still had time. i was paying attention to her body language and looked for IOI's last time we spoke and i was getting them (or so i thought). then the topic of her leaving came up so i used that chance to ask her if she wanted to go for a drink sometime outside of work and she said yes. And she seemed actually quite enthusiastic about the whole thing at the time and i really thought she was interested. So i made the mistake of letting her take my number instead of getting hers (I know this is bad) but i really thought it was a sure thing at the time.

But ofcourse she hasnt text me or anything. I have seen her since and we had a quick chat, again the topic came up of her leaving, so i just hinted at the fact that i said we should go for a drink. She just replied with a ''yeah'' and looked away when she said it (bad). Now this is where i need help, I know im gonna run into her on my lunchbreak on Friday and im post this on Tuesday. I really want some advice on how i should act, should i practically ignore her and not seem interested, or try and press it abit more? Any help will be greatly appreciated and sorry for the long post!

Rokkettzz

Well if she's leaving, what's it gonna hurt to have a plan and ask here if she wants to go?

Rokkettzz,

Got your email. I would love to help you out and I am going to need some more details.

What kind of job is it? Do you work in the same department? Etc. There is a big difference between working at the gap or working for a law firm. So I will need some details there.

Secondly, some details about the girl. Age, does she dress conservatively, does she have a boyfriend, go to school etc? How many weeks until she leaves? (PS this is a good thing, chicks usually are easier to hook up with before they leave)(Like the last two weeks of summer camp, you can't make out with a girl all summer then at the end bang, it all comes into place)

Third. What game have you run? What were the IOI's she gave you? Do you flirt or just general chatter? Have you DQ yourself, ran any routines etc.

I would not invite her out for a drink again. That would be the definition of insanity. I would have an event, ie dinner party, concert whatever. And I would not invite her until you DQ'ed yourself and she shows you some more IOI's. Then once you get the IOI's you want to play it off...

...Like " I am having some friends over for a dinner party on Saturday. Don't get any bright ideas, you are attractive but not my type. It will be a blast though, I will try to find a friend to hook you up with. What kind of guys are you into?"

...Then go into what I am calling a Dream Guy routine. "She will say blah blah blah" You say "not me, not me" You can even lead her answers to all of your strengths. For example- If you are tall say "Do you like short guys?" Now this is a dumb question but if you are tall, she will start looking as a potential suitor. If you drive a sports car you would say "Do you like guys that drive clunkers". "Do you like guys who are sensitive? Maybe someone you can watch romance movies with?" Her"That would be great" You "So you are looking for a tall gay man, who drives a Ferrari?" Or you can say "How about someone who is into charity. I work at a shelter on the weekends and know that there are some amazing people with huge hearts who help out. Would that be the kind of guy you would be interested in?" And throw something sexual in there "How important is sex to you? Maybe a guy that knows how to give a girl multiple orgasms through tantric sex?" Showing that you know about multiple orgasms and tantric sex will blow her away. I would ride this for a while. Hit on all 5 senses. Look (Appearance), Taste (what would a kiss taste like with your dream guy), Touch (is he ripped, whatever Remember to tailor these questions to your DHV's), Smell (does he wear cologne like mine), Sound (What doe his voice sound like). You get the idea.

You can even write it down. Give her some speech about the power of "The Secret". "Have you ever read the Secret? You must put what you want into the universe. That's the only way you are going to find your dream man. I dated this beautiful girl for a while who was completely frustrated about the guys that she was dating. She kept telling me that she was a beautiful dancer had an amazing figure and could still not get any quality guys. We dated for a while and eventually became great friends,, but we did this Boyfriend traits list and put it out into the Universe and it worked. I talked to her a week ago and she is still dating this great guy." But if you do this, you have to follow it up with a flirt. "Your dream guy seems like a great guy, it's to bad you are brat, you are going to have to get it together. I don't know how you are going to find this guy but I will keep my eyes peeled. Maybe you should think about wearing your hair down to show your features more"

Whatever you say the key points are
You are putting her in the friend zone.
You are showing her all the qualities she is looking for, and that you posses them.
You are not interested in her.
You are preselected by a dancer(Don't let this come off as bragging, I would fit it to the whatever the HB's envious of. If insecure about her body say fitness instructor, if insecure about her intelligence, say doctor)
You are critiquing her appearance and ruling her world by offering her advice.
Be careful not to get too into the friend zone here. This routine is to create attraction and help her see what a great guy you are. But if you don't stack with some sexual flirtation, you will all of the sudden be the gay best friend.
Also it hit's on some heavy DHV's.
I could write a long post on this, but make it your own.

Again, I would not invite her to an event until you have IOI's. So it would be after you run this routine.

Have you tried any routines from my other post that you read? Let me know if you have questions?

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Jesus Christ ok.... I wanna start by saying this is alot to take in and ill try my best to implement as much of this as a can, my game isnt great as i havent had alot of expereince doing it in field as of yet but ill try and give you as much info as i can.

first of all, we work in a Supermarket. Not glamourous I know, but its fun. I work on the shop floor far away from her because she is on checkouts. So I only really see her on our lunchbreaks in the staff cafeteria. And we have uniform so i couldnt say how she dresses outside of work. I noticed she had a tattoo of a sugar cube on her leg that she told me she did herself and wouldnt recommend it. so i guess that says something about her sense of fashion and self image. She told me she is 21 which is the same age as me and she studies History at university(i did this little routine on her where i said i could guess what subject she studied without her telling me. but the truth is i already heard from someone else that she was doing history, but i made it sound convincing. She didnt sound impressed but her face told a different story) and i think she leaves in about a week. but the thing is, she MAY still have a job here when she gets back, i dont know yet wether she does or not.

As for running game on her.....not much as of yet, i still do get abit nervous talking to girls i like so i concentrate more on trying not to sound nervous and i forget any routines that i wanna do. I was gonna do the cube on her but didnt get time. I suppose that would be the same as doing the boyfriend trait one you suggested? the conversation is just general chatter really. I havent done any flirting, but I am quite a funny guy if i say so myself so i can get her to laugh. and one time shes even called me a asshole in a jokily way. I dont think she has a BF, i mean she would have said she did when i asked her out for a drink right? and no i havent DQ'ed myself. And as for the IOI's shes given me, they would mainly be laughing at things i say, eye contact most of the time. and the big ones for me are when im sitting in the cafeteria by myself she comes over and sits with me. The biggest one was when i was sitting on a row of chairs with my arm stretched out across the top of the chair next to me, she came over and sat in the chair that had my arm stretched out across the top, instead of going for a completely empty chair (I hope that made sense)

Im not familiar with The Secret, so could you simplify down what you want me to do in the routine involving that? and I havent seen her since reading your post in the other topic, but i was going to act like im not interested in her, and tell her I have a date for the weekend with a girl (imaginary) and describe her as being opposite to the target girl.

I look forward to reading your reply and i hope you reply tonight as tomorrow is the big day! we are in different time zones so i will be checking this one final time when i get up for work tommorrow. But potentially, i could only be seeing this girl 1 maybe 2 more times before she leaves so i need to make this count. I dont have her phone number, but I do know her last name so i could add her on facebook but havent done so yet as i dont want to look needy/desperate/stalker anything like that.

Thanks
Rokkettzz

I really like the History routine you ran on her. Very clever. Great job. As for the jealousy plot-line, scrap it. Don't use it. There is not enough time and that was more tailored to another PUA who was trying to land a girl with a BF, who made out with him when he had a girlfriend. Not to say that that routine is not a good one. I just believe you should be working other key points to have a higher possibility of success with your target. And let's go ahead and scrap the Dream Guy routine as well. There really is not enough time to run this much game on this girl and I think you have enough IOI's to progress forward.

Alright, here we go!!

I am going to try and keep this as simple as possible for you, so it's easy to understand and execute.

So let's start with the facts.
1. She is leaving soon. She might come back but if you don't make a move and she does not come back, you will be kicking yourself. So you have to make a move.

2. You might only see her two more times. I would say make the move tomorrow.You usually see her on Lunch Breaks. There is never going to be a perfect moment. But I would plan of running your game, with an event date being the goal.

3. The girl. She majors in history. She has some intelligence. It's not something stupid or vague like communications. There is not many places to go with a history major. She probably wants to eventually teach. The only other option I can think of is work at a museum. I also bet she really wants to travel, go see Rome, England, China. I can guarantee that if she is a history major, she really wants to travel, if she has not already. (We can come up with a great routine for this. I will get into it later) The other question is have you traveled much. I live in America, so going to Europe is a big deal from over here. You are in Europe so everything is closer, might not be a big deal.

4. Back to the girl. She has a self made tattoo. This is a fucking green light. This is a party girl bookworm if I have ever seen one. These types go after the bad boy. Always. Always. Always. She might not ever admit it, but this girl can get crazy. (I have a routine for this too.) You will need to show these qualities. It's probably why she did not meet you for drinks but still throws you some IOI's. She is waiting for you to be the MAN. She probably comes from a dramatic past and is strongly looking for a protector. I bet she has dated buff meat heads in the past. Don't worry about being one of these guys. You are not in High School anymore. The game has changed.

5. You work at a grocery store. Which is no big deal. But she is a checker which means she holds a higher position then you. You must show her that you are going to break out of there and be huge. (You will have to work this in) Women will not be intimate with a guy of lower value and most of the time lower social status. They will however if there is promise of the guy having higher value. This is because in ancient tribes, the older men were taken. Women had to pick the male who was going to be a tribal leader or best hunter. THIS IS THE WHOLE PRINCIPLE THE GAME IS BASED ON. Don't worry about making it today, you must only show promise. I am not sure what your goals are, but you need a strong DHV routine for the future. We will get into this later.

6. You have some approach anxiety. This happens to all of us. There are ways to curb this. It's to be expected when you are interested in a girl. We will get into this more later.

7. She has not mentioned a BF. I would not bring it up. If she brings it up, it means you showed too much interest without enough attraction. (If this does happen. DQ, push pull, DHV and Stack forward.)

8. Now for the great news!! It's around Christmas. The game is always easier around the holidays. Woman always feel lonelier around this time of year. Sloth from Goonies could land a HB8 in December. So the you have room to not be perfect, fuck up, be a dork and it's all good. So don't be too hard on yourself.

So those are the facts. Let's get into some theory real quick.

Basic understanding of the phases of the game.
1. Build Attraction
2. Isolate and make her qualify herself to you.
3. Use push-pull to bring up the buying temperature while going into rapport.
4. Bring her to a bedroom and sexually escalate then close.

In the simplest terms. This is it. You can not put one in front of the other. If you are going into rapport without enough attraction you are in the Friend Zone. Attraction is what most people have trouble with. I believe you have built some, but we need to solidifie this before you can ask her to an event.

So let's get down to actual mechanics. Step by Step.

ATTRACTION
1. (History Major)We need to focus on Travel and the many sights of the world.
2. (Self Made Tattoo) This is fucking great. I love chicks like this, they are a lot fun. We to focus on the craziness and your bad boy image. Remember that woman don't use logic like men. We want to focus on her emotions.
3. (Grocery Store) We need to show your promise of being the man. Your future goals etc.
4. (it' Christmas Time) Putty in your hands.

So understanding those are the key points you want to hit on. I will give you an example of something you could say, but make it your own. You also want to throw in some DQ's etc.

"Man it's gorgeous outside. I love the Holidays it's my favorite time of year. I can't wait until next year when I graduate. There is a job I have been researching doing "whatever" in Rome. Have you been to Rome in December? It's supposed to be amazing this time of year. You can here the sound of carolers in the street and the whole city is lit up from the Christmas lights. It is supposed to have the most amazing energy. I love traveling. Have you been to Rome in December?"

Then stack to a career routine "When I was a kid I watch Indiana Jones for the first time. I remember him traveling around the world on giant ships, riding horses, flying in Cessna planes and looking for buried treasure. I remember watching that and thinking...thinking in that moment...that's what I want to do. Really take life in and see the world. I believe that most people live there whole lives trapped in their self made cages, living in a reality that they created themselves. I make my own reality. blah, blah, blah. You could come with me. As a friend. You are an attractive girl but not my type. I like girls that are adventurous and wild, you are just a history bookworm (Smile and laugh). But maybe you could carry my luggage...I mean fuck it. Who says that you can't live a crazy and wild life full of adventure...

...Two years and I will be there. That's what I love about ("Your career"). I met with a career scout last week. I am all on track to get there...blah, blah, blah"

Then go into a bad boy protector routine. Mystery has an old one about how he hit a car with a golf club to protect a stripper he was dating. Use something from your past. Do you have a little sister? When was the last time you were in a fight? Have you ever been arrested? Get an exiting story about something wild and crazy that you have done and make it sexy. Have some DHV spikes etc. Let me know if you need help with this. What makes you a bad boy? And make it congruent with yourself.

Throw some push-pulls in there and you will get some IOI's. You can see some on my other post you mentioned. If you don't get any IOI's after this don't invite her to an event or date. Get back to me and we will try something else. The only way this won't get you IOI's if if you are not congruent with your body language. But don't worry about this now. There is not enough time. But it does bring us to the next topic...

APPROACH ANXIETY
It happens to everyone. And I do mean everyone. During your work day tomorrow. Just chat it up with everyone. I mean talk to everyone. Get in a talkative state. Change your focus from yourself to making sure the other person in the conversation is having fun. This should get you out of your head. Any time you start feeling nervous, it's because you are thinking about yourself instead of the other person having a good time. If you have time, approach five girls outside of work. Just warming up for the game. Like a warmup lap.

QUALIFY
I would do a quick qualify before the invite, so she knows you are not after her for just her looks. There is tons of info on this but you could keep it simple "Why am I talking to you, what are three things that you have going on for yourself besides your looks. Beauty is common. What separates you from all the other women?

THE INVITE
Once you have some IOI's after attraction. You want to invite her to an event. Something fun. This is a party girl. She might major in History, but don't invite her to a museum. I would plan for two venues. I don't know whats cool where you like but an example would be "There is this great taco place that I go to on Fridays. I am great friends with the bartender over there. She always hooks it up. blah, blah.(Pump it up) then there is a "whatever" that has bands playing all night long. It's a blast.(Pump up the concert more) You seem easy to talk too and might have some good conversations. Don't get the wrong idea, I am not boyfriend material. I am the guy your parents warned you about. You want a guy that will buy you flowers and read poetry with all night. But you can come as a bookworm friend (if the IOI's are strong, I might go for a more direct close. If they are weak, use the one I just mentioned)

I would also goof on this chick and call her bookworm. Frame control her, she will try to prove how bad she is by breaking this mold. But be warned, she might be a loose canon. And as crazy as she is, if you want to bang her, you are going to have to be more crazy. Let this horse run free and she is yours. But I don't mean take any shit from her. She will probably shit test you after you run your routine, so watch out. Shit tests are great. She is seeing if you are really that bad.

Anyways I am going on and on. Whatever happens. Make your move today. And get some pictures when you are out with her. I want to see what you are working with. haha.

I forgot to mention Kino escalation. You will have to kino escalate on the date. There are routines for this.

And as far as "The Secret" just watch the movie.
Some other books comenly read by females, that you should read are
Blink by malcolm mcdowell.
The tipping point by malcolm mcdowell
Langualiers by malcolm mcdowell
The Alchemist

I hope this helps.

Have some fun!!!

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Right basically i was too tired yesterday after work to write what actually happened. first of all ill start by saying that it didnt go to plan...

When she came into work she walked past me whilst i was talking to someone and she stopped and turned to me and actually tried to get me to notice her so i waved and said hi, so from there i thought it was on, first IOI of the day.

Then the lunchbreak came around and i thought id test the arm stretched out across the top of a chair again. but when she came along she sat in an empty chair this time so i was unsure. So i started talking to her about history and made up a story about how i had been to Rome for some sort of video game semniar, because i do a course in game design. This is where it all started to fall apart....

She then went on to tell me that she doesnt really do much on ancient history and shes more into modern history like The Cold War and all that fuckin noise and i was thinking i dont know shit about any of that. She said she wants to visit Japan and see remnants of Hiroshima etc. I tried to build a commonality there but she wasnt interested much in what i was saying and more interested in watching the TV we have in the staff cafeteria. Also by this point there was a few other people dotted around in earshot so i didnt feel confident enough to try all the flirty stuff and tell a bad boy routine ( I had everything set out in my head, but it wasnt the right time to use it) She then went on to tell me this was her last shift before going away and she STILL didnt know wether shes coming back to work here or not. So the convo after that was pretty standard usual stuff, lunch ended blah blah blah

As we were walking back down to work, i said to her ''well this is the last time were gonna see each other then'' she turned to me and just stared at me, expecting me to following it up with something else, but nothing came out...she then said ''youre a weird one'' i thought to myself FUCKING GREAT :\ anyway i then asked her for her last name because i wanna add her on facebook ( i did it in a casual way not a needy wanting way) she then told me exactly how to spell it and her middle name as well. after that i pretended that i couldnt walk with her anymore cuz i had to do something else first. so she walked around a corner and shouted ''will you remember how to spell it?'' i was like ''nah ill forget probably....'' then she actually walked back around the corner and looked at me with a disppointed face! Then she went back to work.

So after this i thought i just had to go rogue with the whole thing cuz it was her last shift, nothing to lose i just gotta ask her to do something with me. so after my shift finished i marched right up to her checkout and was like ''im really hungry and everyones always talking about this restaurant, have u ever been there?'' she was like ''Yeh, its not as good as everyone makes it out to be'' so i asked if she wanted to come with me cuz im gonna go there right now. she said she would regret it because she had to be up REALLY early the next day (which she does, she has another job where she has to get up at 3am) but she said she would text me and we would go eat there another day (so she suddenly remembers she has my number....) but yeh she hasnt text me yet, but she leaves for australia on monday for a funeral so i guess im the last thing on her mind, so im not holding out for her to text me anytime soon if at all. and i dont plan to add her on facebook, hopefully thatll make her sweat abit, i mean not adding her is better than actually adding her right?

Thats about it i think...saw some new girls starting work at my place the other day though, ill have to start talking to them when i get a chance

Rokkettzz

For christ sake was is it with you guys. It's not good to telegraph interest at the begining of the interaction with a girl but if you have gone through a comfort stage and she is giving you MASSIVE IOI's then just be natural and go for it. Guys seem to be too afraid to show any interest through fear they will lose there power and the girl will instantly lose interest. A girl doesn't want to show she is chasing instead she will show you an open door and it's up to you to go through it. She has laid her cards well and truly on the table. Man up and pull the trigger. Send her a text or add her on facebook. It's not going to send her running.

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Grab her by the neck and throw her against the wall, rip her blouse open and tongue her down from the top of the sternum down to her belly button

works every time

Sorry I did not get back to you sooner.

Sounds like you did pretty well. I can tell from what you wrote, where it fell apart.

I don't believe "Man Up" is the answer. You already invited her out for drinks and she did not call. So you already manned up.

I believe that there were several issues. The first being attraction. I don't believe there were any massive IOI's. You said you had not really flirted with her and went right into general chit chat. Skipping attraction then going into rapport leads to friend zone.

Some IOI's I would look for would be smiling, laughing while you are doing a push pull. You physically pushing her away and her chasing you. etc. Those are massive IOI's.

But back to it. The reason it fell apart is the "Video Game Seminar". I wrote in an earlier post that a girl like this will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS go after the bad boy. And you killed that fantasy for her. After that, she started shutting you down. You killed your image and lost the fish. A woman who has a self made tattoo is not going to go after a guy who goes to a video game seminar.

I am sorry, but let's face reality. I said she will go after someone who is a protector. This means someone who can physically protect her in this world. This would be a body builder, cage fighter, biker etc. That's not to say that you have to join a biker gang and start body building, but you must possess those traits.

Now I know in the real world, video games make buckets of money. It's a multi-billion dollar a year business. But that does not matter to girls. Until you hit it big and make tons of money, women will not see you as a potential suitor with possible higher status.

To avoid the stereo type of Poindextor, from "Revenge of the Nerds", you need to work on your identity. Or you can lye, which I do not advise, or you can go after girls that are into that. Maybe you do not want to be a video game designer I am not sure. You did not give me that info. But your identity is key.

You need to set it up in a appropriate way. If you look at the professor in "Good Will hunting", there is a scene where he is picking up a student. He says "I always looked at Math like it is a symphony". He makes math sexy and the girl digs it. But if you are not selling your identity you are dead in the water. An example would be...

"When I was a child I was obsessed with virtual reality. Traveling anywhere in the world in a split second. Living out every fantasy ever imagined. I am not talking about sitting infront of a TV with a remote control. I am talking about tasting a fresh cut papaya from the Congo forests...blah...blah..blah... Most people don't know that much about designing games. The truth is it's a multi-billion dollar industry making more money then the film business. Some of the lead designers make more money then brad pitt, tom cruise and goerge clooney combined....blah or whatever.

My opinion is when you said Video Game she shut you down. Then you did not get into the bad boy routine and it was over. I am not harping on you. Just analyzing from my stand point. You still might be able to lay her.

I also believed she was ignoring you a little or bored with what you are saying. You have to command her attention. Say something "Don't look away from me while I talk to you" while smiling.

The other thing is you asked for a FB. I never do this and see it as a step backwards. You have her number, why take the step back. Some people will actually use their FB to DHV. But I think it's not a good idea.

You did a good job with asking her out to a spot. She shit tested you and broke you down.

''im really hungry and everyones always talking about this restaurant, have u ever been there?''- Have you ever been there "asking her opinion on a restaurant". Why? You don't need her opinion. Tell her it's fucking great. You are going after work and she can join you if she wants. Don't ask her opinion. This would only work if it's a place she really wants to go.

''Yeh, its not as good as everyone makes it out to be'' SHIT TEST. She is acting stuck up and wants you to be a Man here. A response would be "I am sorry they don't some strawberry mimosas princess. You are so high maintenance it's no wonder you are single. You are going to need a boyfriend with a really thick skin" All while smiling. This was the shit test I mentioned.

"So i asked if she wanted to come with me cuz im gonna go there right now. she said she would regret it because she had to be up REALLY early the next day"- Ask her "Do you need a box of tissues to go with that sob story."

I hope this helps. Read Magic Bullets and get some routines down and practice on the new girls. New girls will always close the fastest and easiest. It's the new environment. I have noticed this at all the jobs I have worked at. They need to align themselves with a male in a new environment as soon as possible.

Good luck and keep me posted!!

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It's not so much "manning up" but there comes a time in the interaction where you need to know if it's going anywhere or you are wasting your time and need to move on. At the beginning you put way too much responsibility on the girl calling you and asking you out. Girls just don't like to do this. Also don't ASK her if she wants to come out with you, just say " Hey I know a nice restaurant close by what day you free?".

If she has already decided she doesn't like you this will be very hard to repair. If you feel this is the case then you need to leave her alone for a while and come back to it in the future. In the mean time move on, there's plenty of nice girls out there. You are in danger of catching oneitis.

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Thanks for the replies guys, I know I do have alot to learn and thats why im here. I havent added her on facebook but it doesnt make much difference at the moment anyway cuz shes in australia right now. She might text me when she gets back but i know she probably wont, and by the way i dont have her number she just has mine, i know this is bad but its how it happened. I mean she might even turn up back at work after christmas for all i know, she may still have a job. In any case shes at the back of my mind currently. Ive had oneitis plenty of times before so im ok at getting over that, drinking vodka straight out of the bottle and feeling sorry for yourself for a couple of nights usually does the trick. Its also a massive help having a community of guys here willing to help.

Just to clarify a few things if this does kick start again when she gets back...
I did jokily hit her once near to the end of our whole interaction and she did hit me back straight away (some see that as a massive IOI) and the last shit test she gave me about really regretting going out cuz she had to be up early. I passed that test by saying something like ''im not asking to go out and get drunk, im asking if you wanna get something to eat!'' or something along those lines. All in all, i think she WANTED to like me, but i just didnt show i was man enough.

Oh and thanks for pointing out the video game thing Loaded, I can see how just that little mention of it can change her whole perception of me, i wont be mentioning that again!