I went back to the bar and talked to the guy bartender that was there when I insulted the HB8(.5) bartender. I was sincere, yada yada, she wasn't there. I come back later, the guy seemed supportive, saying I should see the women face-to-face well, she did not want to talk to me and I am kicked out of the Elks Club FOREVER. Whatever. When speaking in an alpha-like way, should you tell a girl what to do or just hint at it? Which comes off as more alpha?

Sorry to hear that man.
It depends. It can go either way. Sometimes being direct is definitely more desirable. Sometimes hinting keeps the mystique, which is also very desirable. It depends on the girl and the environment/situation. That's where field calibration comes in. You know, sometimes hinting and using body language and the right eye contact will let the girl know just how powerful you are. Other times it takes as much directness as you can give to show the same thing.

So, again, it comes down to field calibration.

Real world example: In a group (her girlfriends) vs. over the phone. I am going to ask a girl out w/ me and it will likely be in one or the other. I already asked once, she went to an away football game so, she could not go. She was ambivalent, something about us doing lunch. Fuck lunch, I have enough rapport w/ her that I am going to ask her 2 dinner. I am not sure which way? All feedback welcome

Ok. I wouldn't suggest over the phone. Try to do it in person. If it has to be over the phone, then just straight out tell her that you want her to join you for these plans.

If it's in person, with a group of her g/f's, isolate her, THEN tell her to join you. If you have to bring it up with her friends, ONLY hint at something of interest to her, THEN isolate, and straight out tell her you want her to join you.

Tripp,

When walking in crowded areas, how do you avoid bumping into people AND look alpha at the same time? I hear if you look up and throw your chest out, people will automatically give you room, but sometimes people just won't budge from their lane and you're walking straight into them and one of you has to blink and yield...

So is there a solution to this? Or do you just run into them.

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Well, while it's true that guys with natural alpha qualities tend to radiate that and people notice and usually do move out of the way, there's another side to it too. You can actually just act macho, and most people will be repelled by it and purposely not move out of the way. Or, if more than one alpha is moving in opposite directions, they will both expect the other to move, to see who has the stronger frame, but really that again comes down to just being overly macho, which actually ISN'T alpha.

No, you can be a nice guy and be nice to people, especially in crowds like that, and still come across as alpha. Don't bulldoze people over, but do give them nice warm smiles. Sometimes let people go in front of you if it makes sense to do that. LOL, if it was me and some guy was trying to be macho, THAT'S when I wouldn't make SURE that I moved for him. Just let him run into you, which would show how much of a jerk he is, lol.

But, being macho and being alpha are two different things entirely. Hope that helps to explain. If not, let me know.

Good points...but what about women? Occasionally it's a HB, and I read that as an IOI, somewhere along the lines of "hey, talk to me tough guy!", but if it's some cranky looking bitter middle aged bitch, I'm not sure if I should either 1) keep walking straight and let her have it/BAM into her with my shoulder, or 2) step/get out of the way.

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Well, this is just my personality, but for me it would depend on the woman. Like you said, if it looks like some bitter bitch, I wouldn't bother moving. Then let her cuss me out, lol, but that's me. Unless I'm just feeling really nice that day, then I'll step out of the way. Basically, if she reminds me of someone close to me, like my mom, I'd be nice and move. If she just looks like some bitter, stuck up, fuck you person, I'd let her hit me. But again, that's just my personality. In these cases, I don't think the rules so much apply. I mean, most people, when they see what kind of attitude that person has, they wouldn't blame you for anything anyway.

Now, if a HB does it, then no, I WOULDN'T move out of the way. Maybe even just stop dead in my tracks. If she doesn't see me, then I could neg her for that. If she does see me and does it anyway, if she has a smile, that's an IOI. If she doesn't have a smile, she may just be being a bitch, in which case I don't fucking care what she thinks of me.

I have a question.

How do you deal with a girl who is spontaneous. literally.

I don't know if its a mixture of bi-polar aggression with passivity or what.

There is this girl at school, and I rarely see her, we only have 2 lunches, and sometimes I only see right after school before she leaves for work. However, when i do communicate with her, she either gives me short or smart-ass remarks or is calm and neutral about what I tell her. I have used a couple of funny openers to attract her attention, yet sometimes she seems distant and when I see her in the halls she has a tendency to look at the ground every time i pass her. lol.
The strange thing is, is that she isnt with any other guy, practically ever. Last year too, she's never with a guy, until i ask about her i thought her to be lesbian but she's not, so im a little confused. But she seems really mood-swingy so i want to watchout for what i say. I haven't gotten to talk to her enough yet to demonstrate value, or give her reason to reject or accept my flirting, but I need to know how to approach an oddball like this one.

For her different responses to you, you never know what's gone on in her day before you talked to her. So, don't jump to conclusions on that.

You obviously haven't gotten her attention strongly yet. That's one problem. Also, you don't have any idea what her private or family life is like, which may be contributing to her different attitudes.

Ok, what I would suggest at this point is to throw her one or two negs. Start with one and see how she responds. But don't stand there and wait for her to answer the neg. What I mean is the "throw and go". You throw the neg, then cut that thread and start a different one. While you're starting another thread, you gauge her reaction to the neg.

If she doesn't have any reaction to it, you could do the process once more. Throw and go with the neg a second time. If she still doesn't, I would lay off of the negs too. She just may not be into you.

The thing you have to do is to really catch her attention and let her know that you are an interesting person. Someone she should get to know better, because it would be worth her time to do that.

Let me know how it goes. And welcome to the forum.

I thought about doing that, in a way where i could prevent her from snuffing me if i neg her.

I know a couple things about this girl tho. She's bosnian (which is a rarity), doesn't have a cell phone (so a #-close is out of luck here) stuck-up, and ghetto lol... However that doesn't mean that I can't go for her. She thought I was cute the last school year, but now (like i said, spontaneous and weird lol) she rarely interacts. I know there was some attraction then, but now, I couldnt understand why not. Ill just call her bosnian for now.

So here's a scenario that was the last time i saw her.
it came up after a short conversation

me: "would it be cool to chill soon? Id like to get to know you"
bosnian: "I dont like making new friends"
me: "i never said i wanted to be your friend, I just want to see if your anything more than a pretty face"
bosnian: "But I work everyday."
me: "bullshit, you're lying. I dont want to hang out with liars. i'll see you later"
bosnian: "what did you want to talk about?"
me: "I don't have the time to explain that to you now, I've got work, boxing, ive got to go the gym, workout, im too busy to be stalled here right now. don't you have work?"
bosnian: "yea"
me: "i'll see you tomorrow then, i don't want you to make me late."
bosnian: "see you later"

I tried to be a little cocky-funny, the expression in her face was kind of perplexed though. I really think she's not used to guys hitting on her.

Anyway yea, she didnt come to school the next day lol...which happens alot so I assume i have nothing to do with it. But im trying to assess these kind of situations so I can take advantage of her verbally and make her say yes somehow.

Ok, for now, treat her just like you would any other girl. Next time you see her, have a plan already in mind of where you can meet her and when, and tell her she should meet you there. Don't ask her if she can. Tell her she needs to. If she objects, say "Ok, nevermind." And walk off. As you saw in that convo with the takeaway she called you back. See if she does it again. If she does, push for the meeting, if she still refuses, take away again.

After a time or two of that, she should break and agree to some type of meeting. If she doesn't, there may be deeper issues there.

At this point, I don't know about Bosnian traditions, if there different than ours, so I don't know what kind of family life she's got.

But for now, follow this, and let me know how this one goes.

Tripp not really a question, but, I am scared of VDs. I don't really drink (I hate hangovers), I don't do drugs, (Coast Guard) and I have my head screwed on pretty tight, I know where I am going whatnot, but the only thing that actually scares me about pickup is diseases. Well, actually just the big two, AIDS & Herpes. Don't get me wrong the others would suck. I am still a virgin, but would like to have ~20-30 women by the time I take the plunge and go for just one. What do you suggest? (This may have worked better as its own thread but with you I am guarateed at least one response)

Yes, it does sound like you have your head right. That's a good thing. I don't blame you for worrying about that. I'll tell you what I do, because I worry about the same thing, obviously. I don't do fools-mates. I don't jump right into bed with a woman. I get to know her a little more first. I also use condoms. And, when/if I get to the point where I feel she's honest, and I get straight answers about her sexual history, or better yet, a piece of paper that tells me shes clean, lol, then I don't worry about not using a condom, as long as she's using something to prevent pregnancy. That way we can feel skin on skin, but before that point, I use condoms and don't jump in right away with ANYONE.

In order to test her honesty, I see how honest she is in all others area of her life. In her general convos with me I find out things, and see if it matches up. See, I like going down on girls too, cause I blow their mind when I do, and like them going down on me obviously, but I'm not just gonna go down on just any girl unless I think she's safe.

So, anyway, that's what I do and what I suggest you do. That's a good question, even though it "wasn't a question", lol.

And yep, you're right, you're guaranteed a response by asking me, lol. Glad you came to me.

I asked out this girl; same girl from the previous posts. I isolated, said " I am going to this thing, want to come along?" Her response was iffy, like, "I don't know what I am doing, but I'll call you." In one of the emails i got from Ross Jeffries he recommended laying down the law, so to speak. I mean coming out and asking them "Is going with me something that is take it or leave it or are you smart enough to actually want to do it?" This may make me look like a jerk and I am maybe trying to force her into something, or, does it come off as really alpha because I am, in effect, calling her bullshit. Would this work after the fact say if I came up to her w/ this question later, like the next day?