Gents,

I was drinking at a friends place with with a bunch of guys and the conversation turned to girls (naturally) and then to pick up techniques. As far as I am aware none of the guys are actively involved in the community I.E. they are not on forums and have not read books such as 'The Game' by Neil Strauss or 'The Mystery Method' by Erik von Markovik. I mentioned NLP and one of the guys told me that it is 'out-dated' and that it was only really effective 10 or 15 years ago. He seems to think all girls these days have become 'wise' to it and it won't work on them. Reason being he claims his girlfriend knew all about this stuff.

Personally, I don't think he knows what he is talking about and unless his girlfriend is a psychiatrist or studying psychology...neither does she.

The seduction community is no longer 'underground' and everyone (even my sister) knows about or has at least heard of 'the game' but how many girls actually know when NLP is being used on them?

I have never attempted to seduce a girl using NLP because I don't feel I am proficient enough in it yet to make it work but I am studying it extensively as with my current circumstances I have some time between jobs; I think judging from what I understand from it so far I can't see how the majority of girls can be 'wise' to it.

I was just interested to see if anyone else shares this view that NLP has died a death so to speak. Both comments for and against this view are welcome.

PS- Does NLP work on drunk girls? :S

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I was in Maine for a seminar and got a date with a girl who works at Best Buy using conversational hypnosis and anchoring, and a bit of charm. I've gone to job interviews and told me, I've studies and mastered the art of covert hypnosis, and then continued to talk with them, never once being called out on using any of the techniques, and getting a job offer. NLP is not only still relevant it is becoming popular. Constant references on Leverage, The Mentalist, and just recently Eureka to name a few television shows.

The purpose of NLP is to capture and lead a person's imagination. Absorb Attention, bypass the critical factor, and guide with suggestion. Ross Jeffries claims he's used the techniques in the middle of NLP Seminars with women, so... even knowing it, there's not much defence for it, unless you focus on everyone's actions. I went to a site to check out a product once, the guy had superb copywriting and advertising on it... I was in awe, I could point out every technique he was using, from pacing, to yes set, to puncuation ambiguity in the video advertisement, and yet, I still bought it, and later regretted the purchase.

I just got my first book on NLP and I think its gonna take my game to the next level!

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Nlp is incredible...n yes it works lol Asking a girl to go to "make-out point" is outdated, but nlp is still the shit.

NLP is not about controlling anyone. People's minds have defence mechanisms. It's a communication not an assault.

Heck of a lot of guys think that what got them the girl is some NLP stuff. Sorry to disappoint but what got you the girl was you. She might or might not have been influenced by the hypnosis or NLP stuff but chances are, she went with you because she liked who you are.

You don't have to be a student of psychology to know about NLP. It's pretty mainstream these days. And it won't take anyone more than a few seconds to find info about it on line. The specifics might not have entered the public consciousness just yet but people have some idea about what it is and what it is to do with. Mind you, the amount of arguments you get in the NLP world you could well argue the creators of NLP don't actually know what it is never mind the general public.

Hypnosis and NLP work WITH not on someone.

Come at it from a place where you genuinely want the best for someone else. If it's about manipulation and coming from a needy place where you think you need this stuff to get a girl to even talk to you...well...you're gonna project that neediness all over the place.

At minimum i find NLP to be good for DHV, especially if you can deliver whatever you're saying in good tonality, body language, and kino escalation.

Any residual effect in her mind is a bonus =)

you'd be surprised

done properly NLP is always effective, i suggest you get some more training, search google for Elite Hypnosis Bootcamp and you can get loads of free video training

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Are women still women? Have we moved on into a new age of enlightenment and our conscious awareness and processes evolved? lol No

Hi,

I am agree with you.

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Its not even a hindrance if they know about NLP, provided you're doing it right and presenting them with something they're hungry for in the first place. In actual fact, knowing it and recognizing it acts as a powerful convincer and makes it work even better.

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NLP is as outdated as any other scientific study of language. (for those of you not clear what that means, it's not...)

Or phrased another way:

Language is an ever evolving, highly variable, incredibly unpredictable means of communication, particularly spoken language. You see this with the difference between typed language, and spoken language (i.e. the loss of context when texting, or posting on a forum.)

Due to the high use of written language in multiple forms of media on a daily basis in the modern age, it has become less and less common for people to attach as much value to connotation, as to denotation, allowing for an easier transition between modern 'written' language (I should say typed...), and that of modern spoken language.

As I'm sure you can imagine, this leads to a slew of complications for those trying to use the same, stagnant methods from the past. However, this is to be expected over time when dealing with language of most any nature, as as stated previously, language is an evolving entity. 'bootylicious' is now in Merriam-Websters, but you hardly find people using words like 'trite' or 'wherefore', just as you don't hear people in the US using 'bees' for 'money' or 'tom' for 'shit'. You also won't hear people in South Africa saying 'OH SNAP!' or 'fuck me gently with a chainsaw' (or really anyone outside a 1980's movie anymore... you tend to get weird looks :-p)

So no, it's not dead. NLP requires much more input than most other things you'll find useful in your PUA endeavors. It's most definitely a study that requires you to learn (commonly via books, articles, classes, etc.) THEORY. You can't just go memorizing and spewing. You'll need to understand how, and why something works, then take that theory and implement it in a given situation, based on HOW it works and WHY it works. Not just that it works, since odds are what you learned verbatim will NOT work.

Pretty much overwrote, like usual, but I'm only here once or twice a year so I gotta make up for lost time

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this seems like the weirdest part of the community. Has anyone actually seen this stuff work?

Cause i think if you're creepy, the girl is gonna notice and bounce before you can hypnotize yourself into her panties.

thoughts?

NLP will always have a weird reputation in the community because it was put out there by a creepy old man who hates on everyone, finds no value in anything except his own creation, and insults everyone, then says his methods are the best, even though they haven't evolved any since 97'. NLP on the other hand has evolved plenty.

Whenever I hear people talk about language patterns in this community, I cringe, because they think language patterns are, "I want to move in a nude erection (new direction), and stop thinking so much stuf is blow me, you know what I'm saying." These phonetic ambiguities are exist in NLP, yes, but language patterns have evolved so much. Some major power words, Because, As, Whenever, Where, You Can, Imagine, these basic primers are real and simple, and can help create an experience with your words--they're used in every sales letter you see from this community. "Imagine what it will be like to be able to have any girl you want." "With these techniques, you can open any set anywhere, as easily as opening a can of soda," you get the point. This is natural language that has an eliciting effect.

I was top salesperson for eight months, every week, no one has done that where I worked, and I broke the sales record twice for weekly sales. I'm 23 years old, i beat men who had worked at the company I worked at for 24 years or longer, in an economy that was depression (I was 21 at the time). So, I've used them, I've seen them work.

They are simply a way of speaking to the subconscious mind through use of powerful communication techniques.

I understand that it is legit.. In sales that makes sense to me. what I mean is.

The people that I've met who run nlp on girls don't get laid. Mainly because they are weird as fuck.

It's one thing to approach an attractive female, and be yourself and let the chips fall where they may.

It's another thing to try and speak to someone's subconscious mind in order to try and fuck them. The person running the NLP would have to be coming from a wack frame of mind to feel like they have to pull off this mind magic.

Do you think that the best players out there are micro-analyzing interactions and trying to speak to the person's subconscious?
or do you think they roll up to the girl and engage HER genuinely with a boner?

The latter works best for me.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?