I am the proudest monkey. DMB

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Don't forget the ones, that helped make me, the man I like becoming!

Nice, it took me a few minutes of meditation, but now I see it.

Got to admit, feels better than I thought it would.

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Common sense, moral and humility will get you anywhere.

You got monkey mind after a few minutes of meditation? Impressive, please share your thoughts.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Simply put, If you look at the situation in it´s original state, and only in it´s original state the answer comes easily.

The monkey presents you with a condition, correct? It is equally negative, whatever your action will be.

By trying to solve the koan on the level of the condition, you will only increase your frustration and never feel content over your answer. When you try to solve it on this level you usually try to add some sort of understanding to the situation, but all that is simply your own weight, your bullshit.

What is important in the meditation is the original intent. That can never be qustioned.

You can live life blinded and clouded by condition, or you can reach inner peace through your original intent.

By the way, this is not the answer, you have to meditate on it so you can experience it.

Take care!

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If so, why all the hoopla? Just answer the question.
Zzzz....
Zzzzz... ^This is bullshit. ^This is your own weight.
Whose rule is this? Yours? The Monkey's?
Where did you get your "original intent?"
Still no answer? And you want me to experience the mental masturbation - non-action, no answer method for myself? Hmmm. . .[/quote]

I have two thoughts on this...

1) The monkey didn't say that he or anyone would kill my parents just that they'd die. He said "If you kill me your mother will die and if you don't kill me your father will die" But he didn't say that if I killed him my father would live and if I didn't my mother would live.

2) The key statement of this koan may be :"You must think before you shoot me" So that's all I'm supposed to do. Just think. He didn't give a time limit or said that I had to act NOW, IN FACT, he told me to THINK before I do anything. So I should probably just meditate on this until one of my parents dies and then act according to that.

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What I like in life is nothing more but living it.

As it turns out, I do not have the answer for this.

Is there supposed to a right answer? Then it is more like a lateral thinking puzzle rather than a koan?

See, the reason I thought I had the answer is becouse the situation plays itself out. All that is left is the original idea that a boy goes hunting, and that made me call it original intent. I came to this conclusion after only a minute, and then I could achive a stillness of thought.

Seems like I learned something I wasn´t suppose to learn

Take care!

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Common sense, moral and humility will get you anywhere.

I think the answer is to actually learn not to even try and answer the question.

I thought this was obvious^ But still no one is doing this.

By trying to answer it with any justification you are the monkey for trying. By asking the question to yourself you are just being the monkey who asks such a stupid question.

thoughts??

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I'ma be what I set out to be, without a doubt undoubtedly, and all those who look down on me I'm tearin down your balcony, no if ands or buts, don't try to ask him why or how can he

Many have already prescribed to the 'give up' in many different ways. NOT DOING ANYTHING can be sugar coated but it still results in non-action.


No, trying doesn't make one a monkey. Making wild guesses and assumptions, then fortifying these wild guesses and assumptions through utter illogical justifications make people monkeys.

Variations of the answers above make up 99% of all replies to this thread.

Ok well I wouldve used the words 'letting it go' or 'learn to not even try' but okay lets say they are sugar coatings of:

'not doing anything'

This is the best answer! Especially to things such as this.

It is just a stupid question, and trying to seek an actual answer to something so irrelevant will only unsettle a person over what? nothing... so, of course it would be better to not do anything! The people who try and get pissed off are only going to come back to this answer anyway ^ by forgetting about it.

Real life example... would you bother doing something you hate for no reason, like work 10 hours cleaning toilets for no pay (which is still even more productive than this riddle) or just not do it at all.

For some things not doing anything IS the best answer.

Anyway i googled monkey mind:
Describes a mind that jumps from thought to thought like a monkey jumps from tree to tree. The monkey mind is not content with exisiting in the present moment, but rather engages in the thoughts that pass through.

So I stick with my answer and will leave at that. so I will no longer have a 'monkey mind' and can return to living in the present and not in this stupid train of thought.

monkey mind, defeated.

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I'ma be what I set out to be, without a doubt undoubtedly, and all those who look down on me I'm tearin down your balcony, no if ands or buts, don't try to ask him why or how can he

Assumptions and wild guesses.


Justifications
^This real life example is not relevant to the issue of the thread. Unless of course you equate your parents' existence with "pay for cleaning toilets".
For some things yes, for THIS THING, no.
Seems in your "present", you are satisfied with one of your parents' dying. Had they had the same attitude towards you, you wouldn't be here today. As parents, this monkey koan was posed to them many times over. Your existence is proof they loved you enough to make the correct decision.

Forget all your research, googling, and 5 second meditations. Just love your parents. Love them enough . . . and you'll come to a better understanding.

Above all, I seriously cannot understand the mindset behind throwing all of this out of your head just because 'you don't like it'. This is the retard's answer to everything in life. There is no amount of sugar coating that will sweeten this cowardly move.

I dont understand why guys keep thinking and wasting time trying to realise some "magic koan".. i find this very silly.. what is this gonna accomplish if u realise this koan? are u going to become a special snow flake? Stop thinking about the monkey and the boy.. and go have fun! have a good time!

1. Its' entertaining. It's fun to exercise your mind.

2. Figure this out and yes, it will absolutely make you a better PUA. (My opinion)

3. Figuring this out requires awareness, compassion, intuition, and intelligence. It requires humbleness and an open mind. Figuring this out is a process of making connections, not destroying them . . . it's a process of convergence.

4. ^These are 'attractive' traits. We all say we exercise ^these traits and yet, it's clear that NOBODY even knows what any of this really means. Again, refer to every reply in this thread. In no particular order: 1 Fuck the monkey. 2. Kill the Monkey. 3. Don't kill the monkey. 4. Do nothing. 5. Do whatever the fuck I want to do. 6. This question is stupid. 7. Mom and dad will die any ways. 8, Blah, blah, blah, blah. . .

You might not know the correct answer but do ANY OF ^THESE responses seem right to any of you? Is there intelligence in these words? Compassion? Open mindedness?

The problem is that most of you randomly picked an answer that seems most "logical" to you. Meaning, you've chosen the answer that you think you can most easily justify. Forget the justifications. You're not going to court. You don't need reasoning.

Just be a good person who loves his mom and dad. That's all.

Kasabi I'm really trying to understand what you are saying but I'm just not "open" enough for this. The problem is that we had an example of that a kid is told to either go here or there and he is easily manipulated into thinking that there is not a third option. But again, apologizing for my ignorance, I see this as a completely different situation. You're told that either kill him or not. No matter what you do, you always choose one of them. You can't do neither, neither can you do both. So here my point is, that your replies, even if it wasn't intentional suggests that you can actually save both of your parents. Which is obviously impossible. So if the answer is something like "I want to say goodbye to him/her" or anything like that, I'd be very disappointed.

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What I like in life is nothing more but living it.

I equate it to this riddle.
Im lucky enough thatI will probably never have to choose between my mum or dads life. But if it ever came to it in real life, I would choose my mum to live, I would tell my dad I love him, Show my COMPASSION and LOVE to him and say goodbye. And he would understand this as well.

Then the day my mum dies of old age I would hunt down the entire monkeys family and end it.

But even that is RETARDED to think about which is why this riddle is RETARDED and a test of RETARDS.

Im not sure why you continue to play the role of the monkeymind in this thread, by trying to disrupt EVERYONES answer. I guess this is the fun of the riddle for you, to try and unsettle everyone. I guess thats what makes it a mental exercise.

Above all, Its not real so this is not relevant to anything apart from being an exercise to unsettle ones mind.

Be that as it is, I would love to hear your answer KASABI, so I can question simply everything and unsettle every attempt that you try to type down. Then you can enjoy in the fun too! But I havent seen an answer from you. Thats why......
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And since I dont see you try to answer it either, I will still remain with this:
Retarded riddles get retarded answers. But it is no longer my answer that Ill bother to justify... its simply what Im doing.

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I'ma be what I set out to be, without a doubt undoubtedly, and all those who look down on me I'm tearin down your balcony, no if ands or buts, don't try to ask him why or how can he