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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:30 am 
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Warning. After finishing, I realize this is quite long. If you don't want to read it all, the results are at the bottom

This will be a progress journal for myself and my close friend/wing Hank Panky. We will both be posting our FR in here, as we will most likely be in the field together a majority of the time. This journal will provide Hank's views/opinions and mine of our nights in the field. We will also be posting our FR of nights we run solo or with someone else. Feel free to provide any critiscism, advice, or praise of our progress.

The Players
Hank Panky - The older, natural player. Hank has some natural game and I've seen him pull some very attractive women. With age comes his wisom and experience and is not only a wing, but a mentor. Even then, there is room to refine his game and I predict he will probably progress fairly quickly.

LeDuke - The younger, ambitious player with moderate success with women, but a sufferer of AA. Looking to overcome his fear of approach as well as develop a strong inner game and keep up with the likes of his wingman, Hank.

Day 1
Initially, I planned to begin my journey with the newbie mission on Monday when I return from out of town. However, last night I managed to get the night off from work and Hank and I decided there was no point in waiting. Now was the time and if we get blown out left and right, it wouldn't matter. This first post will exclude unnecessary details as it is mostly likely going to be lengthy enough

Where: Several small bars in the Nashville area
Who: LeDuke & Hank Panky

First bar we come to was pretty dead. None the less, we decided to sit down, have a drink and go over some gameplan. Our waitress was about an HB7 and Hank decided to warm up on her. Great eye contact, smiling, and presenting a cocky/funny attitude. She seemed a little timid and wouldn't make much eye contact. After a couple more trips to the table, Hank had her pulling up and chair and chatting. Any time she got up to leave, she made it a point to let us know she'd be back. I was mostly quiet. Hank tried to bring me into the conversation at one point, but I failed. On the other side of the bar was a 3 set. One of the girls is someone that I think I may have went to highschool with. Hank assigns me the set. 3 second rule was not happening. I was getting nervous and not sure what to say. At that point, Hank removes my options:

HANK: I'm going to count to 5 and either you're going to approach or I am.
ME: Uhh, ok (expecting a count similar to 1...2...3...)
HANK: 12345 (in rapid succession)

I immediately jump up from the table and make my approach. I open with asking if she went to blah blah highschool. Turned out to be the girl I thought it was. She introduces me to her friends. Casual chat and they point out they noticed us looking at them. I confess to the charge and then follow with a neg.

ME: Well I thought you look familiar. Plus, you all are so loud it was somewhat disturbing our conversation.
HB6: Oh really? Then what were we saying?
ME: Hard to tell when all 3 of you are jabbering away incoherently. You should really speak 1 at a time. It's more polite.
HB7.5: Is that right? I always thought 3 at a time was better (I believe this was a shit test)
ME: Normally that'd be right up my alley, but thats not why I'm over here. We're just here to have a good time.

Shortly after, I got stuck and ejected. Meanwhile, Hank is still working on the waitress. I join back up with him and Hank goes for the number close.

HANK: Listen, we're going to meet up with some friends, but this was fun. How can we continue this?
HB7: Well you can find me here or at the Hardrock

Didn't get the number, but got her facebook. The interaction was pretty good. At one point he challenged her to arm wrestling which threw her off guard and was quite funny. On to the next bar.

Next bar, we head outside to the deck where there is a 2 set (HB6 & HB8). We choose a table and talk amongst ourselves for a bit. I think this was our first mistake here. We shouldn't have waited. Hank then opens the set with the canned open we've come up with.

HANK: Excuse me, real quick. I've got a question. This may seem odd, but it's a discussion my friend and I had earlier and we're trying to come to a consensus.
HB6: Ok
HB8: Ok
HANK: Would either one of you, under any circumstances, date a midget?

HB6 bitch shield was strong. We couldn't break it. The conversation was mostly dull, so we ejected. Another 2 set (guy and HB6.5) enter the deck. Hank decides we should establish some social proof and opens them with the same question. Next thing you know, anyone that comes out on the deck must answer the question before doing anything else. An HB9 walks out with her phone and Hank quickly motions her over. She approaches and Hank hits her with the midget opener. She halfway begins to answer as she's looking at her phone.

HANK: Ok, nevermind. Go ahead and finish what your doing there.
HB9: Oh, I'm sorry *puts phone away

She engages in the converstaion. After 30 seconds to a minute, she pulls up a stool and sits with us. After a few minutes she ejects and heads back in the bar, forgetting why she even stepped out on the deck. Another 2 set (guy and HB6.5) enter the deck. Hank opens, focusing mostly on the protective male. He's disarmed rather quickly and Hank begins working on the HB6.5. I then address the male and turn slightly away from Hank and HB, prompting the male to follow. Hank now has the HB somewhat isolated. I then open another 2 set bringing the newly met male into as my wing in an attempt to give Hank more time with the HB. Hank gets several IOIs from the HB as well as some kino. The guy also buys us drinks. Another 2 set (HB7's) enter the deck. Hank tells me they're mine. I waste no time and approach with our opener. After a few minutes, same problem as before. I get stuck and eject. No close.

At this point, things seem to be going rather well. We've completely owned the deck. Anyone who entered, we opened. Lots of laughing in our area. It would definitely appear we were the life of the party. However, there is a problem. We are still in the 2 set with the guy and HB6.5. We didn't set a time constraint. Hank also didn't close when the moment was right. We ended up staying in that set entirely too long. When we decide to eject, Hank goes for the number close. HB6.5 gets up and says she needs to go to the restroom. The guy, however, gladly gives us his number. So...we number closed the obstacle...not the target.

Next couple bars were dead. While walking down the street, Hank opens a 2 set (guy and HB8.5) both on crutches (what are the odds). Short and sweet. Was going nowhere so we eject and continue to the next bar. We enter and first thing we see is a 5 set (1 AMOG, 2 HB8's, an HB7, and an HB9). Hank orders us some drinks and tells me to open them. I listen and without hesitation, I approach the AMOG like we were old buddies. Shake his hand, smile big, and ask if this is where the party is. AMOG invites us into the group and introduces us to the women. I then open with our midget routine, but am not met with the same responses as prior in the night. At this point, it becomes clear.

The AMOG is drunk and he is out to fuck or fight. It's clear he ain't fucking, so fighting becomes his goal. He approahces me aggressively and doesn't want to answer the question because he is offended by the term "midget". In this moment I remember why I don't go to bars and clubs. These guys. I'm not one to be bullied or pushed around. I can see ways to end this fight before he even gets a chance to start it, but thats not why I'm here. I refrain. However, I know Hank and I know he can see what's going on. At this point, I'm wondering if Hank is going to make move before I even get a chance. Luckily, our frame of mind was different that night. We were playing a game, and this AMOG was part of it. Fighting him, would mean game over for the set. Not only if we win the fight, but especially if we win the fight. It's not an option. We must disarm this AMOG to make way with the HB's. I smile, a lot. Talk him down and change the subject quickly. It works. The AMOG is smiling, shaking my hand again and moving out of my proximity. I'm now somewhat isolated with one of the HB8's. Hank meanwhile is working the HB7 & HB9. After a while, hank brings up our opener again. Fuck. AMOG goes aggressive on Hank and I'm thinking it's on. Hank's fuse is a lot shorter than mine, but he refrains. We're in game mode and Hank disarms the AMOG yet again. Few minutes later, we decide to eject. No number closes. One of the HB8's kisses both of us on each side of the cheek. I fuck it up somehow, and kiss her on the lips slightly. So...an accidental kiss close. After that, we decide to wrap the night up and debrief.

Results
Collectively, we had 10 approaches. Thats more cold approaches in one night than in my life.
Midway thru the night, my AA was gone.
I passed a shit test.
We disarmed an AMOG.
Hank Facebook closed the waitress.

Personal critiques
Couple of times, we didn't choose a target and merely opened a set.
We didn't give any time constraints.
Our phase shifting needs work.
Try not number closing the obstacle...especially when it's a dude.
Develop more inner game. Keep the set going.
There are probably some other things that I can't think of, but I'm sure Hank will contribute.

All and all, I think this was a pretty successful first night. 10 approaches for our first time is pretty good. Not only that, we managed to stay in a few sets for decent amount of time. I think I winged pretty well for my first time. We also disarmed a pretty aggressive AMOG. In the morning, I'm going out of town and when I return on Monday, I still intend to do the newbie mission. I believe Hank plans to go out on the field this weekend, so look for a potential update from him.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:19 pm 
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LeDuke covered our first official trip into the field pretty well.

My observations:

Strong points -

We were super social and had no problem opening sets, holding their attention, and disqualifing ourselves right off the bat.

Kino was easy to achieve, usually iniated by the target.

LeDuke cold approached more targets in this one night than he had his entire life!! I'm proud.

We disarmed an AMOG and didn't engage him agressively, or let it get physical. This impressed the targets. Note to self ***no more bar fights.


Weak points

We stayed in a comfortable set tooo long. Should've # closed early and ejected, maybe to return. When LeDuke was working the 2 set, I should've excused myself from my set (to the restroom or bar) and then joined him to wing.

Negged an obstical...oops. It worked magic and she wouldn't let up on me from that point forward. haha.

Did not phase shift. I had IOI's galore, Kino, ect....then I reset by negging and building rapport. Dammit.

So, we #closed a dude and LeDuke got an accidental kiss close from a HB. haha.

Overall, night one was a huge sucess and I'm proud of LeDuke. I'm headed out this weekend, either solo or with someone else. LeDuke and I will join forces again the following week.



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To improve our social skills and make approaching a habit, LeDuke and I have committed to smile and waive at every attractive girl we see while driving and also not let an attractive female pass us by, anywhere, anytime, without eyecontact and a hello.

Any comment, crituque or advice would be appriciated.
Thanks.
-Hank Panky

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:28 am 
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Sounds like you guys are on the right track. As far as opening and not having a target that is fine. I've opened many sets without a clear target until I figure out the logistics of who is who. Especially those sets that have several cute girls in them. It's not a big deal but eventually you do need to pick someone to focus on.

Great job disarming the AMOG of that one set. I'd say to you Hank never to go back to an opener. Once you snip that conversational thread don't go back to it, there is just no point. Its better to just go to another topic.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:06 am 
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Hank has his first official full close as an aspiring PUA.

I'll mention first that I've recently broken up with my girlfriend of 10 months. It was Thanksgiving night and I was a little sad and lonely, so I decided to head out in search of some companionship. The bars were slow so I orderd a beer at one joint and had a seat. I soon found myself in a mixed 2 set. They weren't a couple The girl was 21 years old (I'm in my mid thirties) and quite homely in the face but seemed thin under her oversized hoodie. She has a boyfriend, but he's away on buiness for a while. **her gay friend already told me that she sees other guys occasionally when the bf's gone. I decided to go for it.

I disqualified myself and seemed to be on good ground. When I tried to escilate, she got kinda awkward. I froze her out and went to the bar for a drink where I got mad social proof from some people who knew me. I could see her staring at the us (me) having a blast. When I came back to my seat, she had warmed back up...

Bar closes, we end up at my place. Twice she has some LMR when I move to turn things physical. She didn't say "stop" or "no" she just got kind of awkward. I freezer her out, very politely and respectfully each time. By the third time, I'm a little more assertive and she's totally into it.

I was right; she was thin. In fact, her body was very nice. We had 2 steamy sessions and fell asleep. We wake in great spirits, I take her number and say maybe we'll see each other out sometime. Then she leaves. There was no oddness, no lies were told and there were obviously no expectations. We both got what we wanted; physical affection and comfort of a warm body for the night. It was a rewarding experience for both of us.

So though she wasn't a HB to brag about, and it didn't take a whole lot of game to get it, it's my first full close since (knowingly) applying PUA stuff. ...and let's be honest; not too many thirty-something fellas are pulling collage students, no matter how they look. :lol:

I've been out once since then, opened a lot of sets, got blown out a couple of times and got one number close. I'm learning...

LeDuke and I are heading out this weekend....

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Update

Our log has kicked off pretty slow due to some logistics. However, now that my off days at work have changed, we should be able to keep a consistent weekly update. Last night was our official day 2 of sarging together since joining the community. Thursday night, I was feeling a little anxious about going out the next night. So, I decided to tackle my anxiety with the newbie mission.

Newbie Mission w/ LeDuke

Went to the mall with the sole purpose of saying hi to any and all women I passed and maybe having some social interactions to get over my AA. I planned on opening one of the makeup chicks as soon as I walked in, but didn't. Walked thru the mall and said hi to most the women. One of the girls (HB8) selling T-Mobile service flagged me down. Normally, I'd say no thanks and keep walking. Today, I stopped. Of course the conversation was mostly about me switching service. Told her I'd think about it and come back. When I came back, I told her I wasn't even shopping for anything and that I was just saying hi to everyone I passed. I was trying to cure my "social anxiety". She smiled big and didn't believe me. After that I headed out, but before doing so...I opened one of the makeup chicks.


Day 2

Who: LeDuke & Hank Panky

We set out to our initial jump off spot. Got something to eat, discussed game, warmed up on the waitress...that whole bit. Wasn't much going on there. We then set out for our first bar. Was a big show going on that Hank already had a lot of social proof at. Soon as we arrived, we went straight to the back to greet Hank's friends and also to establish some social proof. After a while we decide to set out to another place, but not before I open a 3 set we spotted. Opened well, and it was clear the obstacle was in to me, not so much the target. Unfortunately, the place was too loud to escalate so I ejected and would just try to open them again later when we came back.

Walking down a the strip, a 2 set of HB8's are coming up behind us. Group of black guys pass us and holler at the girls. I then to turn to the girls.

ME: Were those guys hollering at me?
HB8: Haha! Yea I think so. Must be the white, looks good on you.
ME: Yea, I wear it pretty well, don't I?

It being so cold outside, the girls didn't slow their pace at all and I wasn't going to chase them down to continue the conversation. Once we get to our destination, Hank greets the bar tender he met last week. He's been sarging quite a bit and has made some friends with the right people. Right next to us was a two set (HB6 & HB7). I open them. The target gets up and leaves for a moment leaving me with her friend. We chatted for a bit. When the HB7 returns, I tell the HB6 to officially introduce me. After a min I turn my focus to the HB7. She ends up giving me some of her food. Shortly after, I number close her. First successful number close since becomming an aspiring PUA.

Next bar we hit, Hank opens a 2 set while I open a 1 set. Hank gets blown out after his neg lol. It wasn't a bad neg, the girl was just kind of dense I think lol. The girl I opened was married. Moving on...

Hit a bar and I decide to try gaming the bar tender. I have read NOTHING on hired guns. From what I understand it's a played a little different than a standard set, but I wanted to go for it anyway. I order a red bull (I don't drink) and engage her in some conversation. She asks where I work and I make her guess. Then I ask for her hand and act like I'm reading her palm.

HB8: Oh, don't read my palm
ME: Yea, I shouldn't have. I can't even talk to you now
HB8: Why? What did it say?
ME: I can't say. It's probably not that accurate. I have a better method of reading you.
HB8: Oh really? What is it?

I then ran the cube on her and nailed it. She was blown away. Couldn't stop smiling and covering her face. Thought I was in, so told her we had to go and said she should give me her number so I can find out when she's working and come back. She grabbed a card and wrote on it. Wasn't a number...just said "1 free red bull" with a smiley face. Meh, I'll take it.

Continued to hit different spots, opening sets. Last set I opened was a 2 set (HB8 & HB7). Body language was good. HB7 had a strong bitch shield and actually just left the set after a couple minutes leaving me alone with HB8. I hit her with a DHV story and the hook was in. Maintained the conversation for a bit and then started to lose it. Hank, being the excellent wing he his, opens a mixed set right next us with the same question I asked her which got her intrigued. Shortly after, bar manager makes last call and tells us we all need to clear the deck and make our way inside. Probably should have number closed right here, but I didn't. Didn't feel like I had built enough attraction. She then turned back to her friends, so I ejected.

After that, we went back to our first spot where I opened the 3 set. Unfortunately, it was a lot more crowded by now and I couldn't find them to reopen. Hank opened a 2 set there, but they were pretty young and it was kind of dull. All and all it was a good night. Got my first number close and am getting a lot better at opening. Not sure how to approach the phone game here. Last time I got a number, she flaked. So apparently, I did something wrong somewhere.

Results
- I opened 5 sets, Hank opened 6
- Got 1 number close
- Took a shot at Hired gun

Things to work on
- Recognizing IOI's
- Need to do more kino
- Returning IOI's and IOD's at proper moments
- Phone game
- Hired gun game


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Before I give my report on my second night out with LeDuke, I’ll go over my night out with another guy (we’ll call him Jumper).

Night out with Jumper:
I meet up with Jumper and we hit it off really well. He’s a good guy with more PUA experience than me. We hit a couple of spots, but really didn’t get going until we went into a small bar neither of us had been in before. Long story short, we worked the hell out of that bar, smiling all the way (more on that later). He opened an absolute hottie! I got to watch him disarm her BF and take a series of huggy cell phone pics with her…with her BF right there the whole time!

After we left that spot, I opened two sets that really stand out.

1.
2 set in parking lot, headed towards their car. I open by hollering (yes, we’re in the south. We holler here) out to them, “Ladies, can I get your help with something real quick?” …right into a canned opener. They look suspicious at first, but hooked pretty quickly. Either Jumper is just a really good wingman, or he was into my obstacle, because he engaged her wonderfully. It was a nice 4-way conversation. At one point we were all actually feeling each other’s stomachs, comparing muscles! IOI’s were flowing. About 6-8 minutes in, things got interesting.
Target: So, is this like your pick up line? Do you just go around asking random weird questions to girls?
Me, not showing my internal panic: Maybe. If it is, would you give me your number? Notice I said would, not will. There’s a difference
Her, laughing: Hmmm, we’d have to have a real conversation before I give you my number
Me, sighing and sitting right down on the ground: Okay, let’s talk

That seemed to be a hit, as both of them laughed. I went into a faux-sexy pose, getting laughs again. My target seems to be thinking about giving me her number, but the obstacle cuts in with “okay guys, we really gotta go”. We all say bye and move along.

I failed. That # was mine, I just know it….
Oh well, on to the next.

2.
I open a 2 set at a bar about 20 minutes before closing. Obstacle doesn’t hook, but target (HB8, easily the hottest girl I opened all night) does. After a few short moments, obstacle leaves target and me at the bar. We have a nice, natural conversation. IOI’s aren’t coming in waves but she is engaging, leaning in and keeping eye contact. Then the bar lights come on and the obstacle calls my target over towards the bathroom.

HB, touching and squeezing my arm; Hey, I’ll be right back. Wait here, okay?
Me, like a chump: Okay

I wait but the bartender starts to announce that the club is closing and for everyone to pay their tabs and get out. I don’t want to just stand around, so I head to the can hoping to run into her. When I came out of the restroom, security is aggressively moving everyone out and I didn’t see HB again…

I should’ve gone for the # before I let her walk off. Grrrrrr! 2 good sets, no #’s.

Summary
Gained good social proof at a new, cool bar and made a new friend/wing




H. Panky and LeDuke’s 2nd night out:

LeDuke covered it pretty well, so I’ll just add my observations.

My individual goal of the night:
Practice being a better wingman than I was last time we went out. I think I accomplished this. When he was in set with a HB8, I stayed passively involved in the conversation, allowing him to steer it. As he mentioned, I opened a mixed set next to us just to keep the conversation from stalling out.

In fact, his set was the most interesting one of the night for me as I got to watch the process of his target going from mildly intrigued with the opener to fully hooked by his DHV story. It was amazing to watch it work right in front of my eyes. He got a couple of mild IOI’s throughout the set, but the bar closed before he went for the #....the same mistake I made a few night earlier.

I also really loved watching him run the cube on the bartender. He killed it!
Also, I watched him destroy a sh!t test from a stripper. A couple of dancers were out flyering for their club. We had fun distracting them and kept them in a conversation for a while, not falling for their suggestive comments. Examle;
Her, making sexy eyes: You like strip clubs?
Me, innocently: Sure, do you?
Before they went on their way, the hotter of the two touched LeDuke on the chest. LeDuke: Hey, hands off. That's not free you know!
She turned back around and basically molested him right there on the street, as he jokingly pushed her away. This definately got the attention of everyone walking by, girls and guys!

Lesson of the night:
Smile, smile, smile! :D
LeDuke and I went into the same bar that Jumper and I had worked about a week earlier. As we approached, the doorman recognized me and instead of carding me, hugged me and said to LeDuke “This guy is always smiling! I love this guy!”
Then when I approached the bar, the barkeep recognized me and shouted “Hey baby, where have you been all week?!”
Me, leaning over the bar and pointing to my cheek: Sorry honey, I’m a man about town; very, very busy. Now, put one right there and greet me properly.
She totally leaned over, kissed me on the cheek and fetched me a beer without me asking!
This took place next to a 2 set LeDuke was about to open. Social proof like a mo-fo. I had only been in this bar once before, but Jumper and I being memorable really paid off.

Blow-out of the night:
1 set at the bar opens me…
Her: I like your glasses
Me: No you don’t. You’re a good liar.
Her, slapping my arm: Shut up! I am not!
Me: Haha, okay. Seriously, thank you.
I moved right into an opener asking her if she’d ever date someone with a particular physical abnormality
Her: No
Me, smiling: So you’re shallow. Okay.
She did not like this one bit! She gave me a dirty look and turned completely away from me. This is also the point I notice that she’s either reeeally drunk, or dumb.
Me, as I receive my drink from the bartender: What is that you’re drinking on?
Her, not looking at me: A blue gummy bear
Me, as I’m ejecting: So you’ve got weird taste in drinks, great taste in glasses and questionable taste in men…nice chat. We’ll catch up later, okay.”
Her; …and good taste in bartenders.
That’s the point she began flirting heavily with the bartender.

We actually saw this girl much later at a different bar. She was sitting at the bar, leaning on a fella with glasses very similar to mine. When she noticed me, I tried to make nice by pointing to her, then to my glasses, then waiving. She just shot me a nasty look and spun around. LOL.

Smooth move of the night:
LeDuke pulled a great wing move during our last set of the night. I’d opened it and when he joined, I have him our “secret signal” to identify my target. Because the way we were situated, he was actually standing closer to my target and I was next to the obstacle. After a few minutes, he found an opportunity to get really interested in something the obstacle said and move around me, actually pushing me closer to my target. He did all this in midsentence and it looked just like he was trying to move closer to the obstacle instead of moving me closer to the target. It was the smoothest, most natural wing move I’ve seen out of LeDuke yet! The set really didn’t go anywhere, but I got to see a glimmer of what a great wing LeDuke is gonna be. I’m lucky to have him.


Summary:
LeDuke got one # (which he just texted me is officially a flake..lol), I got blown out wonderfully. LeDuke opened like a pro all night! As a team, I feel we made good progress from last week. Our chemistry is getting better all the time. I’m looking forward to getting out with him again later this week.

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I want to document my reasons for pursuing the PUA lifestyle.

As I’ve stated in my introduction, I’m a bit of a natural. I’ve pretty regularly dated women, often to the dismay of my co-workers and friends, who are seemingly out of my league. I’m in my 30’s. I’ve had several loooong term relationships over the years. I’m pretty sure my ‘top score’ is 39 (I just know I’m forgetting a couple), many of those being repeat customers, some off and on for years. I’m devilishly charming and have good social skills.

My problems are:

1.Opportunities missed.
As well as I’ve done, I could’ve/should’ve done better. I’m plagued by the times I blew an obvious opportunity, or even worse, didn’t approach because of lack of confidence. I hate the AFC feeling of leaving a public place wishing I could’ve talked to a beautiful girl or realizing - after the fact - that I was getting some heavy vibes and was just too scared to act on them. I want to gain the skill set and confidence to NEVER have to leave wondering ‘what-if’ again.

2.Relationships…
I want to stay out of them for a while. I’m just not interested in being someone’s boyfriend at this stage in my life. Yeah, I want to play the field. Too often, getting into a relationship feels like giving up. Like I'm telling myself that this is the last, or most, attractive girl I'll be able to pull. There was a time in my life when I was happily single and dating several beautiful and interesting women. I was honest with all of them and each involvement eventually ran its course. I refused to settle. I was able to pursue new women when the mood struck, and if I wanted company, I had several options. I’m still on very friendly terms with all of the women I dated during that time. Unfortunately, that period was short lived. I’ve been in too many messy relationships, most of which I’ve mucked up in one way or another. I honestly feel that learning PUA techniques will help me re-achieve and maintain that happier approach to dating again.


LeDuke and I have some mutual goals we’ve set for 2012, some of them too personal to share here, but my individual goals are to solve the above stated problems. I, like a lot of guys, want to bed as many attractive women as possible while avoiding messy entanglements and unfulfilling (obligatory) relationships. Easier said than done, I know. But what’s the use of an easy goal?

Stay tuned.

-H. Panky

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Out with Zeitgeist at a local event Monday where they play all old swing and Motown music. After a while of dancing and having fun, a gal walked in...if 10's exist, it was her! This is thy type of gal I would have NOT approached a few weeks ago...that's why I knew she was the exact girl I HAD to approach. I passed her once and simply told her I love her pig-tails. She smiled and said "Thank you!". A while later, she was dancing with a friend. They both had a beer in hand. Dudes were hitting on chicks all over the place, but no one was approaching her! I walked passed, stopped and held out my hand. She took it!
I spun her around and just pulled her close and started dancing! She love it. She put her beer down and pulled me closer. She was staring in my eyes and smiling. After a couple of minutes, she asked my name. We finished the song and before I could excuse myself, she asked me to dance with her cute (HB 7) friend. I did then:
Me: Hey ladies, I have to go check on my friend but let's dance some more in a bit.
Both of them: Yes!

But alas, when I came back around, the hottie was with a dude. I take it from their chemistry they knew each other...maybe were meeting there.

But that's okay. I did it. I dances with the hottest girl in the place; honestly, the hottest girl I've seen in a looong time. The other gals (and guys!) notices this. It felt great to be that guy.

Jumper and I went out the other night. We had fun and opened a few good sets though not much came out of it but a little social proof at bars we indent to frequent.

Set of the night:
2 set (HB 6 & &) being opened by a fella and his friend. His opener was kind of close to one we'd been using. We listened in discretely. We were better dressed than those guys and their game was starting to get stale. That's when the 6 said something about us. The fella tried to kill it, but he didn't know what he was getting into!
Him, to us: Hey, she says you guys are bad guys!
Her: No, I'm just stirring the pot...haha.
Jumper and I looked at eachother and we both just knew we were about to steal that set
Me: He's right. He's a good guy, obviously. Just look at him, he's a boy scout. We're another story. Bad, bad men. If you know what's good for you, you'll keep talking to him and stay away from this table right here.
I grinned and turned away, and continued my conversation with Jumper.
Within 3 minutes, she came to our table and opened us
Her: Are you guys brothers?
Us: yes
Me: You are the only person to ever guess that! You must be a very observant person.

We continued the brother charade for the rest of the set. The other guys wandered off (we ended up talking to them and later I actually gave one guy some advice!) We ended up swapping jackets with both of the gals and taking some cell phone pics with them. Hopefully, we'll run into them again.

So again, no solid #'s but some practice and a good set. Tonight LeDuke are going out.

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For the love of God why did you leave that set with the hottie? That guy may have been a friend, a gay friend, her brother, who knows... If you were already in set when he showed up you could have controlled him. Just wish you hadn't ejected I think you would have gotten a lot further with the 10.

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zeitgeist = me. I may just re-register here to have my lair name...

I haven't done too much when I've been out with you Hank... I'll make sure to redeem myself this weekend. ;)


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J, I had done a short eject with the 10 to keep the set from getting stale, and build a little social proof before getting awkward, with intentions to opening right back up....that fella and her were ALL up on each other, obviously more than friends, else I would've re-opened anyway.

By the way, we had a good time with you last night. Your screen name fits you quite well.

Super Short FR on last night:

I got a # of a kinda-cute black gal...with her boyfriend standing directly behind me! :twisted:

& Drunk strippers are funny.

The End.

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Just to elaborate a bit more on what we did Thursday night. The night started out with a phone call from my mother asking if my brother (he lives with me) had spoken to me about his girl trouble. I asked him what's going on and discovered that he has oneitis...bad. He's 18 and the girl he thinks is the "one" had been flirt texting one of his buddies. So, I told him he was coming out with Hank and I tonight and we were going to introduce him to many different women and show him that hot girls are plentyful. It wasn't until after I had invited him I realized the logistics would limit our options. I was unaware that even dance clubs these days were no longer 18+. We were pretty much limited to a MacFadden's and strip clubs.

First spot we hit up was a local sportsbar for some grub. Hank had recently met one of the waitresses there, so we figured it was a good jump off spot. Hank, my Bro, and I are seated in her section. Hank and I talk to my bro about his situation and try to make him understand meeting women isn't all that hard (we didn't go into TOO much detail about pick-up). I then opened one of the other waitresses, an HB with glasses, by telling her I liked her glasses. Talk for a minute, then she left. Shortly after another waitress walks by with similar glasses, so I opened her too. When the HB sees this, she comes back to the table to talk some more. Was a good warm up and a chance to show my bro that talking to women isn't that hard. We then left, headed for downtown.

Enter JSmooth...

We went to a cafe to meet up with JSmooth. Up to this point, I must say I had begun to wonder if JSmooth was real. We had all been trying to meet up for the past couple weeks, but logistics seemed to always interfere. I'm happy to say he is a real person and is as his name implies...smooth. The guy has great body language and a subtext that says he's cool, calm, and relaxed. He wasted no time in opening up sets that walked by us as we talked and discussed game. Once we were all acquainted, we decided to hit the clubs. We walked around looking for a club that was 18+. As stated earlier, there was only 1. So, it was that or a strip club. As we discussed our options, a guy walking by overheard us and offered us 4 free admissions to a strip club. Looks like we're going to a strip club tonight, but first...

Where: MacFadden's

Who: LeDuke, Hank Panky, JSmooth, Little Bro

We enter and the place was pretty slow. We decide to hang out a bit and see if it livens up before going to our only other option. Hank and JSmooth order a drink at the bar. There are 2 HB bartenders working, a brunette and pregnant blonde. Hank is ordering from the brunette when I walked up. Tried to open her when Hank asks me "how's your Axl?" (a game we play which is pretty much a rip of jaggering). I do my Axl Rose impression and ask the bartender what she thought. She was not amused...at all. Meanwhile, JSmooth is doing just fine with the blonde. A 4 set of black girls walk in. Hank opens them, talks for a minute then locks in...

HANK: Hey, I need you guys to do me a favor.
4Set: What?
HANK: Come here, we need to be discrete
4 set leans in
HANK: Closer...you know what, fuck it. I'll come up there Hank goes into the booth with them and sits right in the middle of them
HANK: You know what thats called?
4set: What?
HANK: GAME!

The girls all start laughing and lightly slapping his arms and legs. He then proceeds to tell them he actually does need a favor. He convinces them to gang dance my brother at some point because he is shy. They agree. I also got a picture of him in the middle of them while they're all hugged up on Hank. While all this was going on, a 3 set had walked in, 2 HB's (1 blonde, 1 brunette) and an obstacle. I walk by them as if headed towards my friends, then stop as if I just noticed them had to ask them something. Hit them with an opener and I'm not even sure what it was. The interaction was pretty lame and to be honest, I just didn't do well at all. I got kind of lost in my head I guess and couldn't think of a way to push the conversation after the open, so I just ejected. Shortly after, we decided to head to a strip club. As we were walking towards our cars, we were opening any sets thats passed by. I opened a 2 set walking by and kept them in conversation for a bit. Long enough that JSmooth snapped a picture of me talking to them with his phone lol. They then invited us back to MacFadden's. We told them we'd be back later.

Strip Club

Entered the strip club and it was also pretty dead. Didn't seem to be many girls working either. Stripper game is another thing I haven't read about or really have any knowledge on. Decided to test myself anyhow. One of the strippers walked up and asked if I wanted to dance. I changed the subject immediately. I eventually got her to sit down and have small talk with me. She ended up telling me her real name, what she does for fun, about her kids, previous marriage, blah blah. I told her I was holding her up and she should be making money. She declined to leave. She told me about school and how she should be doing homework. Couple times I told her not to let me keep her and to go do homework, smoke, make money...whatever. She declined every time I suggested it. After about 30-45 minutes she finally went out to smoke. We stuck around long enough to see if she'd make it a point to come talk to me again at which time I planned to tell her we had to leave and to see if she would try to N-close me. I didn't want to N-close her because I felt even if she gave me her number, it would've just been a sales pitch. JSmooth also bought my brother his first lapdance. What a swell guy! Stripper never came back to talk. On our way out, I walked passed her, said it was nice to meet her but no close took place. Oh well.

We ended the night back at MacFadden's which was completely dead. When we walked in, we were the only ones in there...literally. Aside from the bartenders and the door man, there was nobody. JSmooth began talking up the bartenders again and managed to engage the brunette in conversation. He apparently had no problem breaking her bitch shield. She wouldn't even acknowledge me or Hank lol. Hank, my bro, and I all went outside to smoke. As we were standing there, across the street was a 2 set of blondes. The night was coming to a close, so one of us had to open. It was me. I decided to go indirect and approached asking if they were friendly. One of them turned out to be a 3 lol, the other was about a 6.5. It was a blowout. They both said they were with their men tonight and then said they were lesbians. Their message was clear, so we ejected.

That was pretty much our night. Due to logistics, it was pretty slow. None the less, it was nice to finally meet JSmooth and see him work. The guy is legit and I look forward to going out with him again. It was a pretty off night for me. I'll have to redeem myself next week. Next time, I'm afraid the brother is going to have to stay home.

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Thanks for the compliments LeDuke. I do what I can...

You guys definitely are on the right track and know what you need to do. I think spending some time developing some more routines so you have material to fall back on when you have those moments of being lost in set, but overall we did well considering the night was completely dead.

I guess I'll post up a little about what I was saying to the Blonde Pregnant Bartender. Yeah that's right guys she was 8 months preggers. I figured it'd be descent for social proof if things picked up. Plus I"m always open to furthering my social network. I went up to the bar since it was completely dead and ordered my usual redbull vodka. This guy to my left was saying how she was pregnant and if she wasn't she'd be his. I kind of laughed and looked at the bartender and said, "is this true?" She said, "What?" I said "He's the father?" She laughed and said no she is...meaning the burnette bartender. I laughed and the guy went away.

I started talking to the pregnant bartender and she said something like, "Are you single?" I said, "Yeah actually I am." She says, "You don't want a ready made family do you?" I said, "Well I actually just turned 30 last week so maybe..." We hit it of pretty well hanging out and talking about how slow it was. I asked about other places to possibly take our 18 yr old friend and she didn't know of many.

From there we got into some comfort talk about how she has two degrees and one of them is in psychology which got me thinking. I decided to let her in on how I was a writer and researching doing a book on online dating. (Yeah, I know I already wrote one but she doesn't) So I asked her about what sites she used and her friends used. (Match, POF, and OKCupid) no suprises there. We talked about the psychology behind meeting people and general social dynamics... one of my favorite topics. This really opened her up.

We talked about family situations, college, past relationships, and some other stuff. I was interested in the brunette bartender but at first her shield was kind of high so I figured worked the Blonde until I was socially accepted. Anyways, I kept working her and when we were about to bounce to the strip club I got her facebook cause I'm not interested in her sexually. She's ready to "pop". But after she has that kid she'll be hot again! She gives me a free drink before we leave...she insisted.

Anyways, when we returned I decided to go back to an old thread I know there is a lot about not doing this but whatever... After talking to the Blonde some more I said to the Brunette "So congrats I hear you're the father..." I shake her hand and she shakes mine. I get her name and she's a lot more "defrosted" if you will now. Anyways, cause things were sucking and we wanted to leave I told her to add me on Facebook as well.

The great thing about hired guns is you know where they are on the weekends for the most part!

We started to compare notes about who we knew in the downtown scene.

I was out Friday night and Saturday night with a girl and downtown was much better. Hope you guys made it out some more. 8) I usually take my time with hired guns establishing myself as a generally cool guy they are use to seeing and talking to before I make my move. I still DHV and stuff but I know that hired guns get hit on a lot so I make sure to establish myself as unaffected by them first. If it doesn't work out I just have massive social proof in that venue with great friends.

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Date: Friday 12/16/11
Players: LeDuke, Hanky Panky, JSmooth, and Zack

The guys hit me up to see if I'm down for going out tonight. I get myself ready and text LeDuke to see where they are at. I park downtown get out of the car and I got my music on in my earbuds walking down 2nd Ave towards Underground Bar on Broadway around 11pm. Some women approaches me mouthing the words "Hello" I stop and talk to her for a bit. She's a hot cougar and I figure WTF. After a bit of trying to get her to bounce with me either to her place or the bar I give up. She's determined to go home.

I get to the UnderGround Bar and greet LeDuke who's talking to this hired gun bartender they know. Hanky Panky is outside talking to this 3 set. I order my drink and go check on Hanky Panky. These girls are from NY, Pennsylvania, and Alabama. I ask how they all know each other and see how things are stacking up. The girls are all over the place and kinda hard to control. They end up leaving and we go back into the bar.

We all sit around talking for a bit and randomly re-opening that other set. I'm getting text messages like crazy from this girl I met on POF. She wants me to come over and she's sending me nude pics of her. NO SHIT. The guys saw! She's wanting me bad so I setup a date for tomorrow cause I wanna game tonight.

Anyways, it isn't too long before this 2 set comes in wearing red Christmas outfits. You know the cheesy ones with the puffy paint presents and shit. One of the girls has a red shirt that says "Naughty Girl." Anyways Hanky Panky is getting HUGE IOIs from this girl in the Naughty Girl shirt name Mandy. Her friend Nikki is giving me several. I instantly gain rapport with Nikki by talking about us both knowing Jacksonville and hanging out in some of the same spots. Mandy asks for Hanky Panky's real name and mine and she's touching him. IT"S ON! For the record they are both HB8s I'd say.

They are best friends. They are out celebrating cause Nikki just passed a big test for her Law School stuff where she attends in Florida. She's from here so she's back until Jan 9th when school starts back up. The set is going well. LeDuke moves in here and there at first talking to the set. Then Zack shows up whos another friend of LeDuke. We are all working this set but Hanky Panky is all over that one girl. We establish more rapport and social proof by talking about good bars in town vs shitty ones etc and who we all know.

The girls are doing well and I start asking logistics like "What are the plans for the night?" They talk about wanting to bounce to this piano bar called Big Bang and then to Stage which is a country bar on Broadway. Mandy totally invites us to bounce with them later. I say to Nikki "are you cool with this its your celebration?" She gives her approval and we're in just like that.

After some more beers and fun stuff I can see Nikki isn't into me as much. She goes from HOT to COLD very fast. I figure I should switch out and let LeDuke take a shot. She instantly gives him IOIs more and is touching him a good bit. AH HA!!! Now we have a winning combo. We'll let Hanky Panky take Mandy and LeDuke take Nikki and Zack and I will help wing in the in between times. Hanky locks his girl in with his scarf btw.

We ALL bounce to Big Bang. The girls get to dance which is good cause they've been talking about dancing A LOT. LeDuke is doing pretty well with his girl and she's into him but he needs to escalate by isolating and kissing soon. Hanky Panky has isolated his girl a few times at this point, and has her #, but he needs to K-Close. I read the situation and tip them on what to do next. I'm thinking of opening a set with the social proof we have and merging but I need to help the guys. My job is to wing. :) We start threading about bouncing somewhere to eat after the clubs cause stuff is gonna close soon.

Hanky Panky gets a kiss soon before we bounce to another bar. It's 2:10 in the morning and shit is going to close in like 20 minutes. We walk across the street to the Stage. LeDuke, Zac, and Nikki go inside. Mandy, Hanky, and I are outside. I need to figure logistics like NOW. I say to Mandy, "How did you get here? Who's riding with who?" She says she took a cab and we find out her place is like 10 minutes away. PERFECT.

We go inside. Hanky dances with his girl. LeDuke is upstairs with his girl and Zac. When the set is all together again I tell LeDuke to isolate to a nearby table. He takes her and I make sure the set knows where they are in case. I tell Mandy... I think they like each other are you cool with that... She is! She's happy for them. :) Things are on the up and up. I talk to Zack some about what I'm engineering here but I want to say HANKY and LeDUKE did all the work I just pushed them in the right direction.

Bar closes and we go back across the street for FOOD! We eat and we have a good time at the table and continuing this fun night. The convesation goes sexual at several points which is PERFECT. LeDuke and his girl have a good connection and are holding hands and kissing some. Hanky and his girl are ON. We are generally cutting up and being stupid but having FUN. When the girls are gone to the restroom or when we get alone I'm giving them more tips on getting back to the girls place which is a certainty at this point. I tell them to hop a cab and Zack and I will just say we're tired.

The girls come out of the restroom. Hanky and Mandy take a cab to Mandy's place. LeDuke and Nikki go to LeDuke's car to go back to Mandy's as well. Zack and I bug out. That is where I left the set last.

I totally have pictures of us with the set at all the locations and them kissing on the guys. This really went well. I should have screen for logistics sooner that's my fault it could have bit us in the ASS. It's great that the girls offered to bounce us it doesn't get much easier than that. Two sets are good to pull from overall. We kept a FUN vibe in the set and when you are the most FUN option as Sinn says it's easy. From there we just hung out until sex happened.

I hope the guys are enjoying themselves right about now. Can't wait to see there comments. I'm happy I got them this far in set and they had a good time. They did all the work isolating, number closing, and kissing. I just helped control the logistics and made a few suggestions. Great job guys...great game however it ends! It's 5AM I need sex or a bed or both.

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Quick report from me, as I'm sleep deprived!

J covered it pretty well.

I have to say, JSmooth was more than a wing; he was a coach, pushing us on at the right moment. At one point he told me "Get the kiss man"...10 seconds later, I was swapping spit.

LeDuke's game made a huge jump. He was smooth. We ended up back at one of the girl's place. We got some heavy make out (2nd base type stuff). No lay (we jokingly called it a sleep close). The logistics were a little off for the f-close, so we kissed, fondled and fell asleep. LeDuke will give details, I'm sure, in his update. We're working on the F-close this week, believe me.

All in all, it was a great night. It was just what LeDuke and I needed to get confidence in our game and J Smooth really helped us over the escalation wall.

Techniques I knowinly used:
disqualifying
KINO KINO KINO
locking in with scarf and hat
DHV
NLP anchoring after first kiss (a super smooth move, if I do say so myself...I'll elaberate later)
NLP imbedded commands/suggestions

Nights like last night are the reason I began this journey in the first place.
Thanks, J Smooth
Bravo, LeDuke

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